Surprising Revelation with Callaway's situation.
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This link makes it look MUCH worse. Obvious and clear connection to the university and athletics programs.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...yers-sexual-assault-boycotts-title-ix-hearing
Thanks, thought I had included a link. The optics are not good if they really hired a UF booster to adjudicate the hearings. I don't blame the complainant for balking. With everything that has gone down lately, with Baylor in particular, you would think UF would want to be as transparent and fair as possible with this process. I read 'sources' on the front page of this site had already assumed Callaway would be free to play this season prior to the hearing and I guess we can see why those assumptions were made.
How do you know with such certainty? Have you heard or read any statements? Privy to any interviews? Evidence? Or are you just hopeful? I ask because I have not seen or heard anything, to this point, that points to guilt or innocence other than UF appointing a former trustee and current booster to adjudicate the case.
For now, it's all mostly rival BS on this thread.
Should a FSU booster have been appointed for the hearing instead?
Impugning the Gator booster before anything has been determined seems fair, right?
When all of the fact are known, from both sides, then I'll decide which it is...
(but either way, this is why I wanted TH gone after his 1st similar incident)
Should a FSU booster have been appointed for the hearing instead?
Impugning the Gator booster before anything has been determined seems fair, right?
When all of the fact are known, from both sides, then I'll decide which it is...
(but either way, this is why I wanted TH gone after his 1st similar incident)
For now, it's all mostly rival BS on this thread.
Should a FSU booster have been appointed for the hearing instead?
Impugning the Gator booster before anything has been determined seems fair, right?
When all of the fact are known, from both sides, then I'll decide which it is...
(but either way, this is why I wanted TH gone after his 1st similar incident)
Well, You bring up a fair question. Who should they have assigned instead of a UF Booster? Well, for example, FSU offered up three candidates for the JW hearing that each side had an opportunity to vet and eliminate one of the options. They agreed on a former Florida Supreme Court Justice to preside. In UF's case, they picked a football Booster. You tell me how the optics look.
I do agree let's see the facts/evidence first before deciding guilt or innocence, however a level playing field proceeding will certainly be a good starting point. If it was your son then you might tend to be pretty confident. If it was your daughter....how fair of a shot does she have?
I'd say as good of a shot as her lawyer and the evidence can supply.
"You tell me how the optics look."
Sorry, but I just don't G-a-S about PC or optics.
The evidence will control the outcome, not whichever dweeb that they put in the lead chair for the hearing.
However, it occurs to me that if you're after justice for a crime, then you go to the police and you let a judge sit in the main chair, and you let the jury decide the facts.
But if you're just after some money, however you can twist the world to get it, then you take a different route. Jus-sayin...
BTW, my daughter did not ever put herself in a position for that kind of crap to happen to her. But if she had, she would have gone straight to the police with it.
I'd say as good of a shot as her lawyer and the evidence can supply.
"You tell me how the optics look."
Sorry, but I just don't G-a-S about PC or optics.
The evidence will control the outcome, not whichever dweeb that they put in the lead chair for the hearing.
However, it occurs to me that if you're after justice for a crime, then you go to the police and you let a judge sit in the main chair, and you let the jury decide the facts.
But if you're just after some money, however you can twist the world to get it, then you take a different route. Jus-sayin...
BTW, my daughter did not ever put herself in a position for that kind of crap to happen to her. But if she had, she would have gone straight to the police with it.
This is absurd. What does political correctness have to do with appointing a Gator booster to preside over a sexual assault allegation against a player? The school looks ridiculous, at best, and complicit in trying to cover up a sex crime at worst. We're going to get roasted and rightfully so.
I'd say as good of a shot as her lawyer and the evidence can supply.
"You tell me how the optics look."
Sorry, but I just don't G-a-S about PC or optics.
The evidence will control the outcome, not whichever dweeb that they put in the lead chair for the hearing.
However, it occurs to me that if you're after justice for a crime, then you go to the police and you let a judge sit in the main chair, and you let the jury decide the facts.
But if you're just after some money, however you can twist the world to get it, then you take a different route. Jus-sayin...
BTW, my daughter did not ever put herself in a position for that kind of crap to happen to her. But if she had, she would have gone straight to the police with it.
So, having a UF football booster insider preside over a football player versus coed is "as good of a shot....". Gotcha.
I'd say as good of a shot as her lawyer and the evidence can supply.
"You tell me how the optics look."
Sorry, but I just don't G-a-S about PC or optics.
The evidence will control the outcome, not whichever dweeb that they put in the lead chair for the hearing.
However, it occurs to me that if you're after justice for a crime, then you go to the police and you let a judge sit in the main chair, and you let the jury decide the facts.
But if you're just after some money, however you can twist the world to get it, then you take a different route. Jus-sayin...
BTW, my daughter did not ever put herself in a position for that kind of crap to happen to her. But if she had, she would have gone straight to the police with it.
Now, this is a solid and rational post. Again, no idea on who may or may not be guilty, but at least don't tilt the outcome into a favorable position for the football player/team before it even gets started.
Sexual harassment was where this twit began this thread.
But now he's already boosted it up to this BS.
"This is absurd. What does political correctness have to do with appointing a Gator booster to preside over a sexual assault allegation against a player? The school looks ridiculous, at best, and complicit in trying to cover up a sex crime at worst. We're going to get roasted and rightfully so."
Most of us can easily see where you are, and where you are attempting to go with your BS.
So, the presiding chair person determines the outcome, not the actual presented evidence, gottcha right back, and much stronger to.
Sexual harassment was where this twit began this thread.
But now he's already boosted it up to this BS.
"This is absurd. What does political correctness have to do with appointing a Gator booster to preside over a sexual assault allegation against a player? The school looks ridiculous, at best, and complicit in trying to cover up a sex crime at worst. We're going to get roasted and rightfully so."
Most of us can easily see where you are, and where you are attempting to go with your BS.
So, the presiding chair person determines the outcome, not the actual presented evidence, gottcha right back, and much stronger to.
Um, they are not mutually exclusive. Yes, he/she DOES DECIDE the outcome based on his/her interpretations/views of the 'evidence'.
I'm still waiting to hear what exactly they are accused of doing?
Has said booster ever presided over anything before now?
IF so, what's his reputation?
Or do we just hang/lynch him for being a Gator booster?
And no matter what he decides on the presented evidence, there will still remain other avenues to pursue for the lawyer/claimant. So, would he risk being overturned with a BAD decision?
For now, many question with ZERO answers as far as I can see...
Has said booster ever presided over anything before now?
IF so, what's his reputation?
Or do we just hang/lynch him for being a Gator booster?
And no matter what he decides on the presented evidence, there will still remain other avenues to pursue for the lawyer/claimant. So, would he risk being overturned with a BAD decision?
For now, many question with ZERO answers as far as I can see...
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They should not appoint somebody so close to the football program. UF did the right thing suspending him, now do the right thing and have this thing reviewed by a non UF connected person.
According to one article they had the Gainesville police along with UPD involved with the investigation.
Not sure of which 'they' you are referring, so I will answer both for you. If 'they' means you are referring to the complainant then here is the first paragraph of the article 'CurtofD' copied in the second post of this thread:
A woman who accused Florida football players Antonio Callaway and Treon Harris of sexually assaulting her in December is boycotting a Title IX hearing because the university appointed a Gators football booster to adjudicate the case.
If you are referring to 'they' as UF's decision to appoint a UF Football Booster then 'they' is the complainant and her attorney. Here are a couple paragraphs with their accusations:
"This has been a difficult decision but as I previously indicated to you, the fact that UF has hired a football booster to adjudicate a sexual assault allegation against one of the team's own football players is a fundamentally skewed process in which [the complainant] refuses to participate,"
The U.S Department of Education allows schools to establish their own structure for adjudicating Title IX complaints within certain guidelines and standards. The agency requires anyone involved in the grievance procedure to have adequate training in handling complaints of sexual harassment and sexual violence -- and to be unbiased. A letter the agency sent to colleges and universities in 2011 states, "a school's investigation and hearing process cannot be equitable unless they are impartial. Therefore, any real or perceived conflicts of interest between the fact-finder or decision-maker and the parties should be disclosed."
With no complaint or accusation filed with the police by the supposed victim, it remains an 'in house' procedure, right?
So, going outside for the chair seems inappropriate to me.
IF he's going to be dismissed from the team, do we go to the HBC for that decision, or to some down-the-road outsider to also make the decision?
You want outsiders, then file with the police and let the courts decide it.
So, going outside for the chair seems inappropriate to me.
IF he's going to be dismissed from the team, do we go to the HBC for that decision, or to some down-the-road outsider to also make the decision?
You want outsiders, then file with the police and let the courts decide it.
You trying to take the high road on this one is akin to Hitler blasting the PLO for killing Jews......
I'm still waiting to hear what exactly they are accused of doing?
Has said booster ever presided over anything before now?
IF so, what's his reputation?
Or do we just hang/lynch him for being a Gator booster?
And no matter what he decides on the presented evidence, there will still remain other avenues to pursue for the lawyer/claimant. So, would he risk being overturned with a BAD decision?
For now, many question with ZERO answers as far as I can see...
I'm still waiting to hear what exactly they are accused of doing?
Has said booster ever presided over anything before now?
IF so, what's his reputation?
Or do we just hang/lynch him for being a Gator booster?
And no matter what he decides on the presented evidence, there will still remain other avenues to pursue for the lawyer/claimant. So, would he risk being overturned with a BAD decision?
For now, many question with ZERO answers as far as I can see...
called iron horse. Aka choo choo train
With no complaint or accusation filed with the police by the supposed victim, it remains an 'in house' procedure, right?
So, going outside for the chair seems inappropriate to me.
IF he's going to be dismissed from the team, do we go to the HBC for that decision, or to some down-the-road outsider to also make the decision?
You want outsiders, then file with the police and let the courts decide it.
A professor of a discipline, if staying 'within' the university is your aim then he/she might be considered ok for impartiality, but since you are the only one on this thread who thinks a football Booster is acceptable and it would be "inappropriate" to find someone more impartial then I think we have gone about as far as we can on this particular point.
I don't blame him....It would not be that hard for UF to appoint somebody with less connection....if Calloway is guilty he can transfer to fsu.....
ok then I'll u-turn since you're such a jack-a. Just pay her off like you did Treon's first accuser and then you won't have any problems.
I believe UF is 100% confident in the Student conduct investigation and will not settle with the accuser in this case.The hearing did take place today, we'll see where this goes from here
IF 'football booster' was the only reason he was appointed, then that might be a problem. Do you have any evidence that's the case?
IF so, then let's hear it.I don't know anything about the one that was appointed, do any of you?
IF not, then flying off the handle with this is just plain chicken-chit imo.
I'm waiting for any 'real or substantial reasons' for him to be called inappropriate.
IF it's 'OPTICS' (whatever that is) then it's BS imo.
I'm about sick of the 'panties-in-a-wad' crowd attempting to run/control things, while lacking anything substantial to base their constant BS on.
Just like I'm very tired of the occasional 'entitled athletes' getting away with their BS instead of being held accountable for it.
There seems to be an extraordinary amount of GRAY area here, making it difficult to see if this is another entitled athlete, or another gold-digger/lawyer money grab attempt.
The Gator athletes should be smarter than to put themselves in this position.
The women involved should be smarter than to put themselves in this position.
And I guess that I should have been smart enough to never have joined in on this total clusterph.....
However, I will now correct my mistake by getting the ph,,, outta dodge...
Yup
there's a reason he still at the school......1000 pages worth of she's full of crap
People rip FSU for how we handled the JW hearing but damn...at least we nominated three independent individuals and then let both sides pick who the one who would ultimately hear the case ( a retired Florida State Supreme Court Justce).
How UF thought an alum who is a former athlete and a current booster is independent is beyond me. Contrats guys....you out did FSU on this one.
Enjoy the Title IX process.
How UF thought an alum who is a former athlete and a current booster is independent is beyond me. Contrats guys....you out did FSU on this one.
Enjoy the Title IX process.
