Simple Question: What overmatched ACC team will Jimbo lose to this year?

[Nolebra Kai]

Yeah I'm the one who's "triggered".

I'm just not afraid to call you on your bullshit and your lack of ability to debate honestly.

I came in here after we lost. I didn't duck you. If you think we're afraid of UF you're fooling yourself.

 

[Nolebra Kai]

How can a FSU team with so so much more talent than a bad NC State team lose on their home field like that? Double digit favorite against a team that lost to USCjr.

How do you know they are bad?

We lost because couldn't score TDs in the red zone and we couldn't get off the field in 3rd down. I think having three weeks off and a true freshman played a part too. Hopefully we bounce back this week.

 

[PacoGator19]

How do you know they are bad?

We lost because couldn't score TDs in the red zone and we couldn't get off the field in 3rd down. I think having three weeks off and a true freshman played a part too. Hopefully we bounce back this week.

They lost to USCjr that is coached by Muschamp. That is how I know. The same USC team that lost to UK and squeaked by La Tech. How can you ask such a dumb question?

 

[MJWilliamson]

Yeah I'm the one who's "triggered".

Yep. You are. Just by the very fact that you are here

I'm just not afraid to call you on your bullshit and your lack of ability to debate honestly.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I am winning the debate in this thread. I asked a simple question:

What overmatched ACC team will Jimbo lose to this year?

You claimed no team would do it. But in the second game of the year, an overmatched ACC team beat FSU. At home

I came in here after we lost. I didn't duck you. If you think we're afraid of UF you're fooling yourself.

You did come here. But your second sentence? That was never the premise.

You are too fracking stupid to know that you got your ass kicked,

 

[PacoGator19]

How many losses does Jumbo have now when he was a double digit favorite?

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Unless something truly scandalous happens, I think Jimbo's earned a pass for a bad season or two. Maybe you guys think FSU holds on to coaches for too long, but I'd rather not be a program runs through coaches like porn stars. Jimbo is only the second FSU head coach since the mid-1970s. I like that.

 

[instaGATOR]

reFSUcks is no longer even ranked in the Top 25.
I like that...

 

[PacoGator19]

Jumbo lost 3 games last year and 3 games the year before that. He's already at 2 for this year.

 

[PacoGator19]

I don't think it happens this year.

LOL

 

[MJWilliamson]

Unless something truly scandalous happens, I think Jimbo's earned a pass for a bad season or two.

Is he not going on three now?

Maybe you guys think FSU holds on to coaches for too long, but I'd rather not be a program runs through coaches like porn stars. Jimbo is only the second FSU head coach since the mid-1970s. I like that.

Reasonable point. But once again moving the goal posts. No one has even hinted they think Jimbo should be fired. Well, at least no one here. Over on your own board? Plenty of the ketchup and mustard, tomahawk chop moaners are calling for his head.

 

[RHT 3]

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[Uniformed_ReRe]

Is he not going on three now?



Reasonable point. But once again moving the goal posts. No one has even hinted they think Jimbo should be fired. Well, at least no one here. Over on your own board? Plenty of the ketchup and mustard, tomahawk chop moaners are calling for his head.

FSU won the Orange Bowl last year against a decent Michigan. That's hardly a "bad" season. The last time FSU went to a toilet bowl was in 2011.

I just don't find it that shocking that an top program occasionally drops one to a decent mid-level P5 program.

 

[46885]

Of the elite football schools, jimbo seems to do it the most.. It's like us losing to Kentucky or vandy, but we've only done it once in about 50 games combined... To be fair, NC State is better than those teams, so it's like when we drop games to Auburn or Mizzou when they are bad..

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Losing to Wake and UVA, in 2011, was probably the equivalent to losing to Vandy or UK. I think NC State and UNC (last year's "bad loss") are generally a cut above those programs. I also think there is a bit of SEC bias that assumes that any team in the ACC that is not FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville or VaTech is a cupcake, while everyone in the SEC, except Vandy and UK, are at least decent -- and even Vandy gets played up every now and then. Therefore, no one in the SEC ever has bad losses unless they pull a Muschamp and lose to some out-of-conference cupcake, like Georgia Southern.

 

[Michi_Gator]

Fisher called terrible game on Saturday but this is also one of his weaknesses. He's not a very good Gameday coach.

He has a true freshmen QB and he calls 42 passing plays and only 22 running plays. That is really poor play calling.

Like all Saban-ites, we have witnessed two of our own, its more important to stay with the 'system' than to adapt to what you have. Its why they are all underachieving bums. Give me a Fuente or Meyer who can change what they do to fit what they have anyday

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I should probably add that my definition of a "good season" is one where we go to one of the major bowls. If we drop a game against a "lesser" program but end up in the Orange Bowl, I'm happy with that. So far, FSU, under Jimbo, has been pretty successful at getting into major bowl games.

 

[46885]

The bad teams in the SEC are usually better than other teams bottom feeders.. This year Mizzou is one of those bad teams other conferences have

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The bad teams in the SEC are usually better than other teams bottom feeders.. This year Mizzou is one of those bad teams other conferences have

I think that was true, but not in the last 2-3 years.

 

[PacoGator19]

Losing to Wake and UVA, in 2011, was probably the equivalent to losing to Vandy or UK. I think NC State and UNC (last year's "bad loss") are generally a cut above those programs. I also think there is a bit of SEC bias that assumes that any team in the ACC that is not FSU, Miami, Clemson, Louisville or VaTech is a cupcake, while everyone in the SEC, except Vandy and UK, are at least decent -- and even Vandy gets played up every now and then. Therefore, no one in the SEC ever has bad losses unless they pull a Muschamp and lose to some out-of-conference cupcake, like Georgia Southern.

FSU just lost to a team that couldn't beat USCjr. And USCjr couldn't beat U.K. You essentially just did lose to a Vandy/UK type team. However even Vandy just recently beat a ranked K State.

 

[46885]

usually UK and Vandy have been the bottom feeders, but even they both made bowl games last year..

 

[MJWilliamson]

FSU won the Orange Bowl last year against a decent Michigan. That's hardly a "bad" season.

It is a three loss season with no meaningful championship of any kind. If that makes you happy, the get on with your bad self.

The last time FSU went to a toilet bowl was in 2011.

Get ready to update that resume, much like Kai had to update the NCState record against FSU.

I just don't find it that shocking that an top program occasionally drops one to a decent mid-level P5 program.

He lost three games last year. One to a NC winner. That is understandable. One 40+ point loss to a decent team. But not a great team. And of course, he lost to a severely over matched UNC team. A team that lost to a pretty bad UGA team.

As I seem to have to keep reminding you FSU doofusses, THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

We already have the answer to the point of the thread. The only question is this; will there be more?

Of course, if FSU loses a few more, then one has to ask. Are the teams FSU loses to really over matched? Talent wise? Most certainly. Coaching? Probably not.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I just don't find it that shocking that NC State occasionally beats FSU. FSU might beat them 8 out of 10 times, but NC State occasionally wins. That seems reasonable to me. I don't think it's reasonable to expect 100% wins against a middling P5 program. I'm not really concerned with how many losses we have as long as we go to a major bowl. If we lose 3 and end up in the Orange Bowl and end up with a decent AP ranking, I'm happy with that -- especially if we did reasonably well in the games against Clemson, Miami and UF. I suspect that this year will be similar to 2011 -- without the cupcake wins to fluff up the record -- which is to say, it will be a bit disappointing.

Do you consider the Gators 2012 at-large Sugar Bowl appearance to be meaningless? That's pinnacle of Gator Football since 2009. FSU has been going to major bowls every other year since Jimbo took over:

2010: Peach Bowl
2012: Orange Bowl
2013: NC
2014: Rose Bowl
2015: Peach Bowl
2016: Orange Bowl

I know FSU squeaked into a couple of those, and not all were BCS/playoff bowls, but that's decent, in my opinion. It's a helluva a lot better than what FSU was doing between 2006 and 2009.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Therefore, no one in the SEC ever has bad losses unless they pull a Muschamp and lose to some out-of-conference cupcake, like Georgia Southern.

Or an in conference 3-9 cupcake like Ga Tech.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I should probably add that my definition of a "good season" is one where we go to one of the major bowls. If we drop a game against a "lesser" program but end up in the Orange Bowl, I'm happy with that. So far, FSU, under Jimbo, has been pretty successful at getting into major bowl games.

You keep writing this. But is going to one of the "traditional" New Years Day bowl really anything of significance anymore? By definition, the four best teams in the nation will not be playing in one of those bowls. It just doesn't mean as much as it used to.

To be sure, it is better than going to the Belk Bowl, or its shitty equivalent. But I am not sure it is what you make it out to be. At least, not anymore.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Here's roughly how I evaluate a season, in order of importance.

1. Final AP ranking
2. What bowl did we go to (and did we win)?
3. Outcome of rivalry games (Clemson, UF, Miami)
4. Outcome of other major games (Louisville, major out-of-conference opponents)
5. Overall Win/Loss record

Last year, FSU finished at #8 with an Orange Bowl win over Michigan, and won 2 out of 3 major rivalry games. From my perspective, that's a good season, overall.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Fair enough

Here is how I do it

NC
SEC Champion
W/L Record
Division Champion
Bowl participation/win
Wins over rivals

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Jimbo may have lost to some overmatched opponents, but he has defeated male pattern baldness:
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...al-heroic-incredible-wow-never-give-up-bosley

 

[MJWilliamson]

Well, he IS single now

 

[46885]

 

[MJWilliamson]

lulz

The last time FSU beat anyone, Barrack Hussein Obama was still President

 

[MJWilliamson]

So the schedule:

vs Bama

Vs LaMonroe

Vs Miami

Vs NCSU

@ Wake Forest

BYE

@ Duke

@ Louisville

@ BC

Vs Syracuse

@ Clemson

Vs Del State

@ Florida


The BYE is kind of in an unfortunate place. Right before playing 4 of 5 games on the road, between two schools they SHOULD beat. And technically 4 straight games on the road.

It's a hard schedule to pick, but I'll try.

vs Bama L

Vs LaMonroe W

Vs Miami W

Vs NCSU L

@ Wake Forest W

BYE

@ Duke W

@ Louisville L

@ BC W

Vs Syracuse W

@ Clemson L

Vs Del State W

@ Florida L

I might switch Miami and NCSU.

Clemson and Florida I think are toss ups. If Clemson really takes a step back (which I feel like they will, then FSU should win that, and my Florida prediction is based off of a better offense).

I think, regardless, Clemson will be tough coming down the stretch after all those road games and only a slight reprieve at home.

Dannydomus

 

[Dannygator1989]

I really wanted to have them
Losing to both teams but at the time (before all the scheduling mid around) I didn’t see them losing back-to-back like that.

 

[MJWilliamson]

So can we add Louisville to the list? If not I am not sure which is worse; is it that Louisville is better than FSU or that FSU lost to yet another overmatched team. Tough call.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Another from Fat Dooley;



Out of curiosity, I looked it up and Florida has a better APR score than FSU. So if there aren’t enough bowl teams with .500 records, Florida would get to go to a bowl game before the Seminoles. Excited yet? FSU now has to win four of its last five games to become bowl eligible after the loss to Louisville and one of them is at Clemson. Could Florida-FSU be for bowl eligibility? We could call it “The Bowl Bowl.” You can lay all the blame for FSU’s 2-4 record on the loss of its starting quarterback or the hurricane, but 2-4 is 2-4 and it seems that the team to its southeast has lost a lot more personnel and its coach has yet to threaten to tangle with a fan.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Wow! This thread really took off...don't feel like reading it.

FSU sucks because they are HORRIBLY coached.

ttfn

 

[MJWilliamson]

Wow! This thread really took off...don't feel like reading it.

FSU sucks because they are HORRIBLY coached.

ttfn

The early part of the thread, in which you participated, most FSU fans showed up to defend Jimbo. That is not particularly surprising, given that FSU had a high pre-season ranking and most pundits thought the offense and defense were loaded.

In truth, I did not guess FSU would have such a dumpster fire of a season. But here we are, not even convinced that FSU will even be bowl eligible.

A loss to BC this weekend, and FSU will almost certainly not be bowl eligible.

That said, I expect FSU to win this weekend.

 

[alaskanseminole]

The early part of the thread, in which you participated, most FSU fans showed up to defend Jimbo. That is not particularly surprising, given that FSU had a high pre-season ranking and most pundits th9ught the offense and defense were loaded.

In thru, I did not guess FSU would have such a dumpster fire of a season. But here we are, not even convinced that FSU will even be bowl eligible.

A loss to BC this weekend, and FSU will almost certainly not be bowl eligible.

That said, I expect FSU to win this weekend.

#1 - First and foremost, I think this was the game I predicted a loss (we'll find out later tonight)
#2 - Have I mentioned how much our coaches suck!?
#3 - We've lost more dadgum starters than any season prior and all but our QB were after crappy losses to NC State and scUM, so I agree that we likely break our bowl appearance streak this year.

 

[MJWilliamson]

#3 - We've lost more dadgum starters than any season prior and all but our QB were after crappy losses to NC State and scUM, so I agree that we likely break our bowl appearance streak this year.

Welcome to our world.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Welcome to our world.

At least you went into the season with somewhat realistic expectations. We were served loaded kool-aid.

 

[MJWilliamson]

At least you went into the season with somewhat realistic expectations. We were served loaded kool-aid.

Jimbo has had several consecutive top ten recruiting classes?