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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

@fatman76 called it, you want to punish people for not making the choice you liked.

Let's say you chose to get the shot. You read that the shots can cause dangerous or even fatal reactions in some people, but you decided that was overblown and got the shot anyway.

Let's say at the same time you chose to get the shot, a teenager leaves her apartment to drive 2 hours home to be with her parents for Christmas.

One hour after getting the shot, you begin to develop sudden, shortness of breath. A few minutes later, you begin to have a heart attack, and are rushed to the hospital.

10 mins before this happened to you, that teenage girl was sideswiped by a drunk driver. She has a life-threatening heart injury and has been rushed to the hospital.

The same one you are headed to.

There's one doctor on staff who can help either of you. The other will likely die.

Does he help you, after you knew the potential risks of the shot and got it anyway, or does he help the teenage girl who didn't have a choice?

Be careful with handing out judgement, you might find yourself on the wrong end of it one day.
Lets say I read the first two sentences, realized how stupid this is, and didn't read the rest because it was a waste of time. Lets just say.
 
We make choices - big and small - every single day. The person that the rest of the world sees is a direct result of every single choice you made, down to what color socks you picked. It's such a cop out to blame others when things aren't perfect in your life.

The bottom line is people engage in risky behavior and make terrible choices that affect their health everyday. As soon as the gov't starts picking and choosing where you have choices and where you don't we've entered an authoritarian state. My body my choice is a powerful abortion argument for this very reason - don't legislate my healthcare choices either through executive fiat or threats.

I'm arguing that we take care of each other and help each other regardless of the personal choices we make. I prioritize freedom, caring for others and personal agency. Apparently you prioritize authoritarianism and forced medical treatments. Like I said, we all make choices every day from when our feet hit the floor until we go to bed at night. I'm really comfortable with mine, and honestly appalled by yours.

Trying to make this vaccine decision in the middle of a pandemic just seem like any other health choice is blatantly disingenuous and dishonest. That's the reality and you know it. All the rest of this is just you trying to make yourself feel better about taking the wrong stance on this. If you where really so comfortable about it you wouldn't need to spend any time trying to convince us. Your really trying to convince yourself....but it won't work.
 
You clearly didn't even understand the concept or what I was saying. SMDH.

Oh yes I did. Clearly you don't understand that I'm calling you on your pre-formed opinions of those "poor victims" who can't help themselves by eating - nonstop - CRAP that creates the fat that the virus loves to use to fuel its journey through the body, and the god awful health drug addicts have self imposed on their bodies- but getting COVID ain't their fault. Therefore it permeates your writing and your viewpoint.
You are some SJW who peddles excuses for people who don't take responsibility for their own body and therefore whatever you have to say is of zero interest - or credibility - in my book.
 
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And when people like @Illegal-shift accuse anyone who asks questions of not listening to doctors and flowing the advice of experts, he’s essentially saying you should only follow the advice of doctors and scientists that he feels are the ones to listen to. There are plenty of very educated people sounding the alarm bells.

But the Sheep never question…
Lets say you have a major pain in your chest. You want to make sure on this, so you go and see 10 well respected doctors. 8 of them tell you that you need a procedure or you will be dead in a week. Two of them tell you not to worry about it and your fine. What do you do?

I know what you do...….you call all the people who decide to get the procure sheep and how they need to do their own research on this.

They all live and your dead in a week......but, hey, at least your not one of those sheep who follow advice.

The funny thing is.....you are exactly what you despise. Your the one listening to the doctors you want to hear. That's just the fact Jack.
 
Trying to make this vaccine decision in the middle of a pandemic just seem like any other health choice is blatantly disingenuous and dishonest. That's the reality and you know it. All the rest of this is just you trying to make yourself feel better about taking the wrong stance on this.
He's vaccinated. I swear we have the dumbest trolls on the internet.
 
Oh yes I did. Clearly you don't understand that I'm calling you on your pre-formed opinions of those "poor victims" who can't help themselves by eating - nonstop - CRAP that creates the fat that the virus loves to use to fuel its journey through the body, and the god awful health drug addicts have self imposed on their bodies- but getting COVID ain't their fault. Therefore it permeates your writing and your viewpoint.
You are some SJW who peddles excuses for people who don't take responsibility for their own body and therefore whatever you have to say is of zero interest - or credibility - in my book.
No. You didn't at all and you clearly still don't. You completely missed the point.
 
Trying to make this vaccine decision in the middle of a pandemic just seem like any other health choice is blatantly disingenuous and dishonest. That's the reality and you know it. All the rest of this is just you trying to make yourself feel better about taking the wrong stance on this. If you where really so comfortable about it you wouldn't need to spend any time trying to convince us. Your really trying to convince yourself....but it won't work.
I’m vaccinated. The choice I’m making is to not deny people who aren’t health care if they get sick.

That’s a choice a monster makes.
 
Lets say you have a major pain in your chest. You want to make sure on this, so you go and see 10 well respected doctors. 8 of them tell you that you need a procedure or you will be dead in a week. Two of them tell you not to worry about it and your fine. What do you do?

I know what you do...….you call all the people who decide to get the procure sheep and how they need to do their own research on this.

They all live and your dead in a week......but, hey, at least your not one of those sheep who follow advice.

The funny thing is.....you are exactly what you despise. Your the one listening to the doctors you want to hear. That's just the fact Jack.
Your analogy sucks.

1) No one is seeing 10 doctors. Most people have a primary care physician. I have a concierge doc and she’s really good and I trust her.
2) Chest pain doesn’t correlate with a man made virus from a communist country that was funded by a three letter US agency. It’s an established issue we’ve been studying for decades.
3) If my doc wanted me to try a radically new treatment with a terrible safety profile I might get a second opinion to make sure. If it’s a known procedure why would I question?

You really aren’t very good at this.
 
I’m vaccinated. The choice I’m making is to not deny people who aren’t health care if they get sick.

That’s a choice a monster makes.
LOL, so your getting ridiculous which is a clear signal you realize your losing the debate. Perhaps the first thing you have been right about.
 
Your analogy sucks.

1) No one is seeing 10 doctors. Most people have a primary care physician. I have a concierge doc and she’s really good and I trust her.
2) Chest pain doesn’t correlate with a man made virus from a communist country that was funded by a three letter US agency. It’s an established issue we’ve been studying for decades.
3) If my doc wanted me to try a radically new treatment with a terrible safety profile I might get a second opinion to make sure. If it’s a known procedure why would I question?

You really aren’t very good at this.
My analogy sucks because it cuts to the truth of it and you don't like being so exposed. So I understand why you don't like it. It makes you look bad. But, really, your doing that to yourself.

Time to drop this one. Its been fun, but trading insults is a waste of time.
 
LOL. Unlike a mindless lemming I can continue to learn, research and adjust my thinking.

You sound like a Biden voter.
Was that ever in question?

You latch onto every anecdote that feeds the contrarian position. That's not research, that's just a typical conspiracy follower that seems to be common OTB. That just makes you a different kind of lemming.
 
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Was that ever in question?

You latch onto every anecdote that feeds the contrarian position. That's not research, that's just a typical conspiracy follower that seems to be common OTB. That just makes you a different kind of lemming.
Based on what I know now I’d roll my sleeve up for Novavax.

Square that with “I’ll fall for every anecdote”.
 
My analogy sucks because it cuts to the truth of it and you don't like being so exposed. So I understand why you don't like it. It makes you look bad. But, really, your doing that to yourself.

Time to drop this one. Its been fun, but trading insults is a waste of time.
I’m not “exposed” at all.

I care about people even if they don’t make the same choice I did. You don’t. It’s not complicated.
 
LOL, so your getting ridiculous which is a clear signal you realize your losing the debate. Perhaps the first thing you have been right about.
What’s ridiculous?

I took J&J in late August. So maybe I’m not going to be “fully vaccinated” for long, but when Delta was ripping through I took the safest shot based on my research because I’m 44, my BMI is 27 and I’m hypertensive (on meds). And I work out 3-4 times per week, but I’m not as athletic as a

My risk profile indicated getting vaccinated. Now I’m waiting on the protein based Novavax because it doesn’t cause the manufacture of trillions of spike protein.

I don’t want my kids vaxxed because they are young athletic teenage males and their risk of Covid is near zero. Not so sure about the Pfizer vaccine.

And my position is “ridiculous”?

Sorry I don’t blindly follow “the experts” who are getting rich on this.
 
What’s ridiculous?

I took J&J in late August. So maybe I’m not going to be “fully vaccinated” for long, but when Delta was ripping through I took the safest shot based on my research because I’m 44, my BMI is 27 and I’m hypertensive (on meds). And I work out 3-4 times per week, but I’m not as athletic as a

My risk profile indicated getting vaccinated. Now I’m waiting on the protein based Novavax because it doesn’t cause the manufacture of trillions of spike protein.

I don’t want my kids vaxxed because they are young athletic teenage males and their risk of Covid is near zero. Not so sure about the Pfizer vaccine.

And my position is “ridiculous”?

Sorry I don’t blindly follow “the experts” who are getting rich on this.
Your last sentence is very revealing.
 
Your last sentence is very revealing.
It is.

What pharm company made $35BB in 2021 YTD?

You think all that money is going back to R&D or do you think some of that might be turned over to lobbyists and campaign donations?

And who is the highest paid Federal Official?

I wonder why a drug that costs $0.60 a dose can’t get a peer reviewed study?
 
It is.

What pharm company made $35BB in 2021 YTD?

You think all that money is going back to R&D or do you think some of that might be turned over to lobbyists and campaign donations?

And who is the highest paid Federal Official?

I wonder why a drug that costs $0.60 a dose can’t get a peer reviewed study?
You are confusing 99% of the medical community with obviously biased Pharma companies. Assuming the Entire medical profession and government oversight is in bed with Big Pharma is one of those conspiracy theories I’m talking about.
 
What’s ridiculous?

I took J&J in late August. So maybe I’m not going to be “fully vaccinated” for long, but when Delta was ripping through I took the safest shot based on my research because I’m 44, my BMI is 27 and I’m hypertensive (on meds). And I work out 3-4 times per week, but I’m not as athletic as a

My risk profile indicated getting vaccinated. Now I’m waiting on the protein based Novavax because it doesn’t cause the manufacture of trillions of spike protein.

I don’t want my kids vaxxed because they are young athletic teenage males and their risk of Covid is near zero. Not so sure about the Pfizer vaccine.

And my position is “ridiculous”?

Sorry I don’t blindly follow “the experts” who are getting rich on this.
@Illegal-shift thinks you should be blindly listening to the doctors that blindly say everyone should get the shot. Then those same doctors run to boards like this and post giggling about how they made 7 figures the last 2 years off telling people to get the shot.

@Illegal-shift thinks the smart play is to listen to those people.
 
You are confusing 99% of the medical community with obviously biased Pharma companies. Assuming the Entire medical profession and government oversight is in bed with Big Pharma is one of those conspiracy theories I’m talking about.
Dr Birx said last April that hospitals would get an extra $30k for every admitted covid patient. One of the posters here who claims to be a doctor also claims he made 7 figures the last two years off telling people to get the shot.

Did you ever figure out what fool told you that the mortality rate for the 'unvaccinated' is much higher than it is for the sheep like you that got the shot?
 
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It is.

What pharm company made $35BB in 2021 YTD?

You think all that money is going back to R&D or do you think some of that might be turned over to lobbyists and campaign donations?

And who is the highest paid Federal Official?

I wonder why a drug that costs $0.60 a dose can’t get a peer reviewed study?
Which one? IVM or HCQ?

We have TWO proven successful covid treatments that both cost a couple of bucks a dose.

And they have been all but banned, so the path is cleared to force people to take a shot that's literally killing people every day. But it's making pharmaceutical companies and the doctors that blindly push the shot, stinking rich.

And the stink of it is...we have morons on this very board that think this is the best idea they have ever heard.
 
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@Illegal-shift thinks you should be blindly listening to the doctors that blindly say everyone should get the shot. Then those same doctors run to boards like this and post giggling about how they made 7 figures the last 2 years off telling people to get the shot.

@Illegal-shift thinks the smart play is to listen to those people.

You mean like the one that tried to make everyone panic, said there was a vaccine for children for RSV that he had been using for years (there isn’t one) and claimed the Pandemic was over a few months back? Those types of doctors? Fake ones?

Hard pass
 
Pandemic is over proclamations have literally ended 2 posters on this board, and that is a fantastic development
 
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Attention critical thinkers (everyone else can ignore).

Interesting story here about two antibody treatments we’ve been using. It appears the antibodies they produce are too different to attach to the Omicron spike protein. It’s mutated too much.

Why does that apply to the treatments and not the vaccines? They produce the same wild-type antibodies (or antibodies specific to the original virus).

 
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That's actually not totally 100% accurate. If Covid did something positive, it proved working remotely is a better option for many business models. Many, many businesses, particularly in the financial world are never going "back to the office". Better quality of life for employees by avoiding stupid commutes and wasted time in traffic, less expense for commuting travel, less cost for employers by eliminating expensive brick and mortar overhead. (I'm not sorry one bit these places are losing their real estate tax base). Some are never going back to the traditional business model. Pardon me but I'm completely out of fuks to give about NYC's economy. These blue states have crapped their beds and now need to sleep in them. Enact stupid policies, suffer the consequences.
So we agree that working remotely is a win win in many cases and mandates of any kind are NOT an American concept. These blue states cried wolf and now have to deal with their own stupidity.
I agree with nearly all of this. Government based "Mandates" should, in nearly all cases, be a move of last resort. If companies want to do this, ok, but we need to make sure that the labor market is not monopsony shaped. (i.e. workers should be able to go elsewhere)
 
I agree with nearly all of this. Government based "Mandates" should, in nearly all cases, be a move of last resort. If companies want to do this, ok, but we need to make sure that the labor market is not monopsony shaped. (i.e. workers should be able to go elsewhere)
I don't see factories and distribution sites ever changing their business models just because of the nature of the work (I do see geographical relocations though if bluetard states keep following their definition of insanity, doing the same stupid shit and expecting different results).
 
That's actually not totally 100% accurate. If Covid did something positive, it proved working remotely is a better option for many business models. Many, many businesses, particularly in the financial world are never going "back to the office". Better quality of life for employees by avoiding stupid commutes and wasted time in traffic, less expense for commuting travel, less cost for employers by eliminating expensive brick and mortar overhead. (I'm not sorry one bit these places are losing their real estate tax base). Some are never going back to the traditional business model. Pardon me but I'm completely out of fuks to give about NYC's economy. These blue states have crapped their beds and now need to sleep in them. Enact stupid policies, suffer the consequences.
So we agree that working remotely is a win win in many cases and mandates of any kind are NOT an American concept. These blue states cried wolf and now have to deal with their own stupidity.
Agree with you on remote work, but widespread adoption was coming anyway. Last year just gave it a big kick in the pants. A lot of my clients had already made or begun the move to all-remote the last couple of years.
 
I don't see factories and distribution sites ever changing their business models just because of the nature of the work (I do see geographical relocations though if bluetard states keep following their definition of insanity, doing the same stupid shit and expecting different results).
Agreed. The most you can do is Google Glass, for say, inventory audits or remote preventative maintenance or troubleshooting, but that is about it.
 
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