99 plus percent of those are with the unvaccinated, either by choice or due to lack of availability
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Total deaths with those with the vaccine are 8,000 or .0025 percent death rate.
Confirmation bias at work in real-time, ladies and gentleman.
So your claim is that the people that didn't get the shots accounted for 100% of the US covid deaths in 2020, and 99% of them in 2021. Let's just say 100% for both years.
So 320M people accounted for 31.250 covid deaths a month in 2020
and 160M people have accounted for 36,111 covid deaths a month in 2021
So the number of deaths is ACCELERATING. Which is curious, because now half the population has gotten the shot AND since Feb or so, the country has been dealing with the Delta variant of covid. Which as we all know is more contagious but LESS SEVERE.
So as the virus itself is becoming less severe, the number of deaths is increasing by over 100%, if your spin that only the 'unvaxxxed' are dying.
Sounds like you believe that the vaxxxxed are killing the unvaxxxed. That's the only logical conclusion to draw from your bullshit claim.
Or we could start over and admit that the shots don't work. Because the math clearly shows they do not.
Hint: For the shots to work, deaths need to go DOWN.....not increase substantially.
I have to laugh, because you just called @gator1776 a liar. And he just Liked your post as you did. @fatman76 and @jfegaly will get a kick out of this.
Ghost - the question is what would the death rate be without Vaccines. With a vaccine that is this profoundly virulent and a variant from a strain most likely engineered in a lab, getting protected makes sense and is profoundly proven by the data.
listen, at this point, you will do you.
best of luck
listen, at this point, you will do you.
best of luck
BINGO!
We had that exact scenario in 2020, and we had FEWER total deaths from TWICE as many people!
In 2021 we have shots, and have MORE deaths from HALF as many people who haven't gotten the shots!
And the punchline is....covid in 2021 is LESS SEVERE than it was in 2020.
Doesn't make sense, does it?
What's the most logical conclusion?
Hint: They are inflating the death numbers. It's either that, or the shots are causing more people to die.
Pick your poison. But please stop simply regurgitating talking points that fall beneath the weight of basic math and common sense.
Fear porn. After reading the poll results, there is a certain “doctor”. And I use that term very liberally, who really falls more in line as being a democrat. Just sayin
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If it were the exact same variation, sure. This one is far more virulent.
I am a Healthcare Partner in a global consulting firm. I speak with CFOs/COOs/CIOs nationally on a daily basis. My wife is a Healthcare Finance executive in a hospital system whose service area voted 60%+ R. This is no hoax - at all.
If the ICUs were empty, sure. I would be with you - and was with you in the spring and early summer when here where we live in Michigan had barely any cases.
I have not heard of anyone, or their family, dying from shots. The media often gets it wrong, but if that was happening at any major level, at least Fox would be picking it up.
Now, even Ben Shapiro says, "we are all going to get Covid-19, the question is whether you are vaccinated or not".
If you were to say, and this is Rand Paul's point, that "you MUST include prior-infections and submit an anti-body test in lieu of a vaccine", then yes, I completely agree with that and am at a loss why this is not included as "proof".
Your submission and hypothesis is that the Government is consistently lying to you. After the Lab Leak, WMD, etc., I understand. Your fear is that the government is taking over more and more of our choices and tax revenue and has a citizenry, especially on the coasts, who are comfortable with socialist schemes. It's the "authoritarian moment" as Ben says. I get it.
The data is not hard to understand. We have a far more virulent strain and it is hitting more people. The people getting hospitalized and are unvaccinated.
So, my view and what I share with others is: get vaccinated or show a prior infection. If you have neither, then your odds of hospitalization and dying go way up.
The Merck drug could be a game changer here. If we can take an OTC pill that prevents ICU admissions and deaths (Monoclonal antibodies are very powerful BUT they require infusion).
Final point, cases are starting to drop. 25% drop over the past 14 weeks. DeSantis and Gottlieb predicted this, although it is coming a few weeks later than planned.
Again, at this point, you do you.
p.s. Here is why Red states should care and NYT put it in a veiled way: Covid-19 is disproportionately killing R voters. For states that are in play or going purple (AZ, TX, etc.), even with perfectly tabulated votes, losing another 10 to 50K votes, can tip things like Senate elections.
Again, you do you.
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Wait…..monoclonal antibodies require intubation? Maybe I am reading something incorrectly. Please explain
(Updated) Here is CNN (Jim Acosta) essentially saying, "go ahead and skip vaccination, we are tired of arguing about it and do not really care. All of these excess deaths will do is reduce the number of Republican voters."
Again, do what you feel is best.
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Well. It’s CNN. They are known liars. I would hope our medical professionals don’t go to CNN to figure out Covid, or get medical information.
Also, I believe regeneron (monoclonal) is available, and has been for quite some time, via injection and not infusion.
U.S. authorizes Regeneron’s COVID-19 antibody therapy for injection
The U.S. health regulator authorized a lower dose of Regeneron Pharmaceutical's COVID-19 antibody cocktail that can be given by injection, a move that could ease logistical challenges stemming from administering a higher dose intravenously.
www.reuters.com
Texas and Florida jumped on this by setting up monoclonal centers months ago.
You got data to backup which registered party has lost more voters?
I thought minorities were be effected more disproportionately? At least that’s what the media tells us. Sorry, but just making assumptions based on which states are red vs blue without using data to support it no better than what the media does.
I mean, if we want to go down that path we could also say the voters leaving places like NY and California are red voters that will increase those red state’s Republican voters.
Just seems silly to make all these assumptions. Seems like more fear porn
FWIW. California (a blue state) leads everyone in Covid cases. And California, Florida, Texas etc….states that get very hot in summer, all had similar trajectories and timing for covid spikes last summer and this summer. That suggests it was very climate related more than anything else.
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Point on CNN was saying that they are also suggesting that increased deaths are hitting R hard and it is due to low vaccinationWell. It’s CNN. They are known liars. I would hope our medical professionals don’t go to CNN to figure out Covid, or get medical information.
Also, I believe regeneron (monoclonal) is available, and has been for quite some time, via injection and not infusion.
U.S. authorizes Regeneron’s COVID-19 antibody therapy for injection
The U.S. health regulator authorized a lower dose of Regeneron Pharmaceutical's COVID-19 antibody cocktail that can be given by injection, a move that could ease logistical challenges stemming from administering a higher dose intravenously.
Texas and Florida jumped on this by setting up monoclonal centers months ago.
monoclonal antibodies is a great “backup” therapy. ron d was far ahead of the game there
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Got it. I wasn’t sure what the CNN link had to do with monoclonal. Lol.
I still think this is just CNN being CNN. Those bad republicans. Fear porn.
No data, and never mention California
Do we really believe 99% of deaths in the US are unvaxxed? Why is England so dramatically different? Do you have the data Sen Johnson says we don’t have access to @grandhavendiddy ?
No, it isn't. That's not how viruses work.
Most of them ARE empty. You think they are full cause that's what CNN and shot cheerleaders are telling you. Same reason why you think the Delta variant is more severe.
Is that a revelation to you? Of course we are all going to get covid. More than likely everyone here has already gotten it, and 90% of us never knew.
But you're wrong. This isn't a more severe variant. It IS a more contagious variant as is common FOR variants.
It's also common for each variant to be LESS SEVERE than the previous one.
Simple math tells us if this were a more severe variant, that deaths in the US would likely be in the tens of millions right now.
This is a virus on par with the seasonal flu, that's being weaponized as a political tool. Goodness.
This has nothing to do with the government, it's about American citizens like you wanting to believe that the shots you took work.
375,000 deaths in 12 months with no shots.
325,000 deaths in 9 months with shots, from HALF the population AND with a less severe variant of the virus.
Look, I get it. You got the shot, and you want to believe you made the right choice in doing so. But that doesn't excuse you from ignoring basic facts and science that's right in front of you.
As you said, you do you and I'll do me.
Repeatedly referencing what CNN says to backup your stances doesn't really backup your stances. It undermines them.
He's doing the same thing @gator1776 and @SORT14 used to do: Backdate the facts to fit the current narrative.
They need the deaths and cases to be 100% unvaccinated, cause if they use actual numbers, they have to admit the shots don't work.
Which is something the CDC has already admitted, repeatedly.
@gator1776
Got my second jab Wednesday. That night I felt like hell. Even my sheets hurt me. Felt like shit the entire next day, finally revived my self with some vodka that evening. 😂 I feel okay now, just tired, and I haven't done a thing to be tired about (other than watching that joke of a game last night).
This isn't a troll, I'm serious. I ran into a video from a doctor regarding India that says the WHO has helped distribute a cocktail of vitamins and Ivermectin and their covid rates have dropped off the cliff. Here's the video. Thoughts?
Got my second jab Wednesday. That night I felt like hell. Even my sheets hurt me. Felt like shit the entire next day, finally revived my self with some vodka that evening. 😂 I feel okay now, just tired, and I haven't done a thing to be tired about (other than watching that joke of a game last night).
This isn't a troll, I'm serious. I ran into a video from a doctor regarding India that says the WHO has helped distribute a cocktail of vitamins and Ivermectin and their covid rates have dropped off the cliff. Here's the video. Thoughts?
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Yeah I felt pretty bad after my second Covid shot for about 30 hours which is your bodies normal reaction to the Covid vaccine. It shows your bodies building an immune response. Does make you feel kind of crappy for a day or two. Tylenol and Motrin are good for that.
Man I’m all for cocktails and ivermectin if it works. Problem is it’s gonna have to be research done in the United States before hospitals will let us use it.
Not sure if you actually had time to watch it. He didn't endorse or recommend any of this, he merely pointed out correlations of success with the cocktail distributed, and pleads that the powers that be investigate more into it, instead of banning use, terminating social media accounts that explore it, press using Fake News to summarily dismiss this. The fact that they do this is why no one (50% of us at least) trusts the government, and believe the fix is in with lobbyists, Big Pharma, and Big Brother. A kit that costs $2.50 is going to piss off some biotech companies, rest assured.
I have not had time to watch it but I will later on. I’m pretty busy in the intensive care unit today. But personally I would agree and I’ve always agreed that it needs more research. And if the research needs to be done in the United States England Europe or Canada for the American medical community to be willing to listen to it. I will watch it later though I promise. But I agree with what you’re telling me he says in sentiment.
I will say, when the left (MSM and Big Tech) asks for individuals (Independent, RINO or Conservative) to "just accept the data", the exact response above is understandable. It is why Ben wrote the "authoritarian moment". It makes other discussions, as we are seeing on vaccines, get so difficult.
I would guess that one of the main things that would engender trust would be a joint-Biden/Trump PSA that congratulated Trump around the development of vaccines, Biden around the distribution and then jointly calling what happened in China in the Lab (very troubling and requiring far more information). If Biden were to let Fauci retire and shut down Eco Health Alliance, for whatever one things of Fauci, that would also likely improve trust.
It is also impossible to imagine the above happening, but right now, people like you NGII are doing the right thing in getting vaccinated (well done, man), but you are questioning it every step of the way.
Got 2 kids, both in their 40's.My 12-year-old has been vaccinated and she’s doing just fine
One took the vax and wears a mask, (Socialist-U edge-jew-ma-cated)
The other is vax free and virtually never wears a mask.
Both have tested negative for the Kung Flu.
I didn't tell either what to do about it, they are both grown, free, and have been making their own decisions since they became legal adults at 18.
At 18, I told them that I would be happy to give them any advise that THEY ASKED FOR, but that they no longer needed my permission to do anything.
My spouse and I are both still not vaccinated and are still doing just fine...
None of us has followed the 'stay at home' BS, and only one of us (the Socialist-U vaxed one) wears masks, except in places where we have a need to go to. If its an optional location where I don't have a specific need, then I don't go if they require a mask.
Individual rights such as.....the right to bear arms?
This was never about covid. Please wake up.
We’ve already given up assembly and free speech. That’s a logical progression.
We??? You got a rat in your pocket???
What the neutered, fearful, clueless Rat controlled dweebs in the big cities do and think,,,, is not what the FREE Americans in 'fly-over country' do and think.
When they come out of their cities to enforce their Marxist tyranny, the traitorous Rats are going to be in for a very big surprise....
We are the survivors, despite their idiotic policies, while they are the parasites on our collective butts.
Pelosi's icecream comes from a box, not from a cow.
And Shumer's steaks come from the grocery store, not from a steer.
Just like the Tree-huggers don't know where toilet paper comes from, but in any perceived crisis, they will begin scarfing it up and hoarding it in a NY second.
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Totally agree, you should never just accept the data without reviewing it yourself.
Biden isn't going to do shit. He's owned (I don't know what his price is in Yen) by China. And the White House damned sure isn't going to possibly allow Trump to be portrayed in a good light in any manner. What you say is true, but it's a pipe dream. I'm giving the vaccine a shot (no pun intended) but I'll be damned if I'm getting a 3rd booster. No way. And if someone somewhere I need to go demands to see my vax card, I'll tell them really quick to kiss my ass.
Fat, that 'we' has a problem IF it actually exists.
From what I'm seeing out here, the real 'we' out here is getting more angry, frustrated, and impatient by the day....
Oh there are plenty of people who willingly locked themselves in their homes for a year - and the censorship issue has been real.
Hard to tell, but the shot cheerleaders here seem to be ignoring that video.
Curious how following the science ends at the point when it reveals the shots are FOS.
This time last year 66% of all covid cases in NYC were from people who VOLUNTARILY self-isolated at home.
Follow the science.
Yep, and the science says they should’ve been wearing mask indoors
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