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Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

Remember how I told you guys people should get vaccinated to protect others because the vaccine lowers the transmission rate.

“British scientists at the University of Oxford examined national records of nearly 150,000 contacts that were traced from roughly 100,000 initial cases. The samples included people who were fully or partially vaccinated with either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the AstraZeneca vaccines, as well as people who were unvaccinated. The researchers then looked at how the vaccines affected the spread of the virus if a person had a breakthrough infection with either the alpha variant or the highly contagious delta variant.

Both vaccines reduced transmission, although they were more effective against the alpha variant compared to the delta variant. When infected with the delta variant, a given contact was 65 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. With AstraZeneca, a given contact was 36 percent less likely to test positive if the person from whom the exposure occurred was fully vaccinated.”
 
Here’s one I’m sure will be popular, research study done by Stanford and Yale University shows that wearing surgical mask over the face and nose in social settings, like schools, reduces transmission of Covid.

 
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"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
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Finally a legislature is addressing the gorilla in the room


"Recovered COVID-19 patients retain broad and effective longer-term immunity to the disease, suggests a recent Emory University study, which is the most comprehensive of its kind so far. The findings have implications for expanding understanding about human immune memory as well as future vaccine development for coronaviruses...."

 
You voted for this California. Kids are at almost zero risk, yet you have to take a potentially harmful medical treatment to go to school. This is awful, doesn’t follow the science and won’t change the trajectory of the pandemic one bit.

 
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Asymptomatic children and long COVID:

The copy of the study linked has not been peer reviewed (it may have been peer reviewed elsewhere).

"129 children diagnosed with COVID-19 between March and November, 2020 were enrolled (mean age of 11 ± 4.4 years, 62 (48.1%) female). Subsequently, three developed Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome (2.3%) and two myocarditis (1.6%). Patients were assessed on average 162.5 ± 113.7 days after COVID-19 microbiological diagnosis. 41.8% completely recovered, 35.7% had 1 or 2 symptoms and 22.5% had 3 or more. 52.7% had at least one symptom 120 days or more after diagnosis"

 
You voted for this California. Kids are at almost zero risk, yet you have to take a potentially harmful medical treatment to go to school. This is awful, doesn’t follow the science and won’t change the trajectory of the pandemic one bit.

The mandate, again, is terrible. So glad I don't live in California. But it is good news for a vaccine to be safe for kids in families who opt (where free to opt) to get it.
 
I'll look for the entire letter (only a snippet was provided in the link), but on the surface this looks crazy.
Yeah I actually know the hospital really well. What they’re doing is they’re tying the Covid vaccination into the already existing wellness plan that almost every insurance company has now. Basically if you do certain measures to promote preventative health they lower your insurance rate and if you don’t they raise it. They also scream for cholesterol for example. I’m not a fan of them tying it to the Covid vaccine though.
 
Yeah I actually know the hospital really well. What they’re doing is they’re tying the Covid vaccination into the already existing wellness plan that almost every insurance company has now. Basically if you do certain measures to promote preventative health they lower your insurance rate and if you don’t they raise it. They also scream for cholesterol for example. I’m not a fan of them tying it to the Covid vaccine though.
Thanks for the insight.
 
Now that it's been a few months since people have taken the shots, we are hearing stories like this every day. I fear the volume of these stories will only accelerate.
 
You voted for this California. Kids are at almost zero risk, yet you have to take a potentially harmful medical treatment to go to school. This is awful, doesn’t follow the science and won’t change the trajectory of the pandemic one bit.

CNN committed a random act of journalism, one of their chicklets asked Newsom if he would commit to having his own children take the shots.

He wouldn't answer. She asked again, he again refused to commit to having his own children take the same shots he wants to mandate for yours

This was never about covid. Sheep, please wake up.
 
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Vaccination for healthy kids under 17 isn’t following the science.
So remember this time last year when we all agreed on what a vaccine was?

Up till earlier this year, we all agreed that shots for school-age children was unnecessary at best, and harmful at worst.

Now seeing more and more shot cheerleaders suddenly claiming it's just fine to 'follow the science' and let schoolage children get the shots.

This was never about covid. No matter what the dems push, the shot cheerleaders will back them.
 
You voted for this California. Kids are at almost zero risk, yet you have to take a potentially harmful medical treatment to go to school. This is awful, doesn’t follow the science and won’t change the trajectory of the pandemic one bit.

Also, did we notice he waited till after the recall election to announce this?
 
I posted one scientific study regarding long COVID in kids above.
Briefly, what is your understanding of the science?
As always, Mandate - bad. Science - good. Choice - good.
Preliminary results with 250 kids - not “settled science” (which is an oxymoron anyway).

It’s not following the science to vax healthy young kids.

We have massive amounts of data to prove this.
 
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Preliminary results with 250 kids - not “settled science” (which is an oxymoron anyway).

It’s not following the science to vax healthy young kids.
Didn't say anything was settled. Just evidence of scientific advancement. Just repeating yourself isn't evidence though.
It's icky to make things mandatory. But it is good to develop vaccines for kids and to use it so they don't get sick (therefore they would be healthy at that time).
 
Didn't say anything was settled. Just evidence of scientific advancement. Just repeating yourself isn't evidence though.
It's icky to make things mandatory. But it is good to develop vaccines for kids and to use it so they don't get sick (therefore they would be healthy at that time).
They don’t need a vaccine to prevent them from getting sick. It’s extremely rare for a healthy kid to even get sick, and it’s like getting struck by lighting to have a healthy kid die.

This isn’t the measles. It’s not even the flu for this age group.

Vaxxing healthy kids against Covid isn’t following the science.
 
They don’t need a vaccine to prevent them from getting sick. It’s extremely rare for a healthy kid to even get sick, and it’s like getting struck by lighting to have a healthy kid die.

This isn’t the measles. It’s not even the flu for this age group.

Vaxxing healthy kids against Covid isn’t following the science.
I think it should be up to their parents to decide what is best for them, not the government. But if a parent decides it is in their best interest to have their kids vaccinated, I am glad there is that option.
Your first sentence sounds like you think it is a settled matter, and I disagree. There is some evidence (like the study I posted) that indicates asymptomatic kids can experience long COVID.
I do agree that the probability of healthy kids getting sick is low from what I've seen, so again, that is information the kids' parents should be considering when exercising their freedom to take the vaccine or not.
 
They don’t need a vaccine to prevent them from getting sick. It’s extremely rare for a healthy kid to even get sick, and it’s like getting struck by lighting to have a healthy kid die.

This isn’t the measles. It’s not even the flu for this age group.

Vaxxing healthy kids against Covid isn’t following the science.
Are we noticing that 'follow the science' seems a lot like 'moving the goalposts'?

If you had claimed a year ago that there would be developed nations mandating vaccines and not letting people leave their house for more than an hour and that employers would be requiring shots to keep their job, every shot cheerleader here would have claimed you were insane and spreading wild conspiracy theories. At least two of them would have tattled to the mods that you should be banned for spreading destructive lies.

Yet a year later, it's all reality. The same shot cheerleaders wonder why we get upset about it.

6 months ago if you had claimed that schools in the US would be forcing children to take a covid shot in order to attend school, they all would have said you were insane. They all agreed the science says a covid shot doesn't protect children and isn't necessary.

Yet 6 months later, it's reality and the shot cheerleaders wonder why we get upset about it.

These people are literally brainwashed at this point. They simply cannot think for themselves.
 
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Are we noticing that 'follow the science' seems a lot like 'moving the goalposts'?

If you had claimed a year ago that there would be developed nations mandating vaccines and not letting people leave their house for more than an hour and that employers would be requiring shots to keep their job, every shot cheerleader here would have claimed you were insane and spreading wild conspiracy theories. At least two of them would have tattled to the mods that you should be banned for spreading destructive lies.

Yet a year later, it's all reality. The same shot cheerleaders wonder why we get upset about it.

6 months ago if you had claimed that schools in the US would be forcing children to take a covid shot in order to attend school, they all would have said you were insane. They all agreed the science says a covid shot doesn't protect children and isn't necessary.

Yet 6 months later, it's reality and the shot cheerleaders wonder why we get upset about it.

These people are literally brainwashed at this point. They simply cannot think for themselves.
And cases have surged as vaccination rates have increased. Deaths are chugging along too.

We are 720k. Sleepy Joe will pass Trump before you know it.
 
I think it should be up to their parents to decide what is best for them, not the government. But if a parent decides it is in their best interest to have their kids vaccinated, I am glad there is that option.
Your first sentence sounds like you think it is a settled matter, and I disagree. There is some evidence (like the study I posted) that indicates asymptomatic kids can experience long COVID.
I do agree that the probability of healthy kids getting sick is low from what I've seen, so again, that is information the kids' parents should be considering when exercising their freedom to take the vaccine or not.
And we’ve seen studies that show Ivermectin is pretty effective against the effects of long covid.

But we’ve been doing this for a year and a half. If long Covid and death were huge risks we’d know by now.

And parents do all sorts of terrible things to their kids, go to the mall and count how many obese adolescents you see. But in this instance fear porning and shot cheerleading has encouraged it.

If your kid is obese, diabetic or if the kid lives with someone who’s extremely high risk I understand the risk/reward math changes. But questionable efficacy and no long term data makes it an insane idea to mandate.
 
And we’ve seen studies that show Ivermectin is pretty effective against the effects of long covid.

But we’ve been doing this for a year and a half. If long Covid and death were huge risks we’d know by now.

And parents do all sorts of terrible things to their kids, go to the mall and count how many obese adolescents you see. But in this instance fear porning and shot cheerleading has encouraged it.

If your kid is obese, diabetic or if the kid lives with someone who’s extremely high risk I understand the risk/reward math changes. But questionable efficacy and no long term data makes it an insane idea to mandate.
You're arguing against points I am not making. I've said many times, I agree that IVM should be heavily researched. Once again, I agree mandates are bad. I know parents do bad things, but they also do good things and it is better to have them make decisions for their kids than the government.

And I am for freedom of choice. The freedom for parents to choose if the vaccine is in the best interest for their child or not should lie with them.
 
You're arguing against points I am not making. I've said many times, I agree that IVM should be heavily researched. Once again, I agree mandates are bad. I know parents do bad things, but they also do good things and it is better to have them make decisions for their kids than the government.

And I am for freedom of choice. The freedom for parents to choose if the vaccine is in the best interest for their child or not should lie with them.
They’re arguing to argue. Pointless
 
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And cases have surged as vaccination rates have increased. Deaths are chugging along too.
Which proves the shots don't work. And instead of following the science, shot cheerleaders double down on their demands that we ALL must be vaccinated.

Brainwashed. Totally brainwashed at this point.
 
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And we’ve seen studies that show Ivermectin is pretty effective against the effects of long covid.

But we’ve been doing this for a year and a half. If long Covid and death were huge risks we’d know by now.

And parents do all sorts of terrible things to their kids, go to the mall and count how many obese adolescents you see. But in this instance fear porning and shot cheerleading has encouraged it.

If your kid is obese, diabetic or if the kid lives with someone who’s extremely high risk I understand the risk/reward math changes. But questionable efficacy and no long term data makes it an insane idea to mandate.
But the kids have a choice. Either get the shot or not go to school.

But they DO have a choice. Let's not act like they don't. Right, shot cheerleaders?

Any point in pulling up posts from 6-12 months to see how the shot cheerleaders have flip-flopped on this issue?
 
Vaccines work. Sub n95 masks only limit transmission and thus mask mandates fall into “ theater”.

if we were forced to get WHO vaccines, it would be one thing.

we have three private pharma companies. They work and are safe.
 
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