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Yep, been going on since last year.

Dying FROM covid means covid was the cause of death.

Dying WITH covid means something else caused the death, but the person also had covid at the time of death.

According to the CDC, only 6% of covid victims died FROM covid.

94% did NOT.

It always infuriated internet doctor when I pointed this out. Because it proves the fear mongering is all a scam.

The media and shot cheerleaders are claiming ALL covid victims died FROM covid. Because they want to give the false impression that perfectly healthy people with no health issues are catching covid and dying within days.

Because they think that will scare people into getting a shot. That increasingly doesn't work.

Just be honest with people and stop the bullshit.
 
Yep, been going on since last year.

Dying FROM covid means covid was the cause of death.

Dying WITH covid means something else caused the death, but the person also had covid at the time of death.

According to the CDC, only 6% of covid victims died FROM covid.

94% did NOT.

It always infuriated internet doctor when I pointed this out. Because it proves the fear mongering is all a scam.

The media and shot cheerleaders are claiming ALL covid victims died FROM covid. Because they want to give the false impression that perfectly healthy people with no health issues are catching covid and dying within days.

Because they think that will scare people into getting a shot. That increasingly doesn't work.

Just be honest with people and stop the bullshit.
Not really sure what I would roughly peg the number who Covid put them in the grave earlier than it would have been otherwise. I dove into the numbers one time and elderly diabetics seem to have really increased death numbers. I would say its maybe 30% or so of that number they use. Just a ballpark guess.

I think some Asian countries have really low numbers because they only count people that Covid actually directly killed them.
 
Not really sure what I would roughly peg the number who Covid put them in the grave earlier than it would have been otherwise. I dove into the numbers one time and elderly diabetics seem to have really increased death numbers. I would say its maybe 30% or so of that number they use. Just a ballpark guess.

I think some Asian countries have really low numbers because they only count people that Covid actually directly killed them.
Not surprisingly, different countries do things differently. This can help clarify why numbers may be different between the countries.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220303738

And this is an explanation as to how COVID deaths are reported in the US:
https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

Some other countries may be underreporting as well. I saw research on Brazil and India having issues with that, but I haven't seen anything on Japan yet.
 
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Met with a co-worker for lunch yesterday. He refuses to get vaccinated. The 'Rules for Thee but not for Me' crowd was a big reason to him. These hypocrites have no idea how they undermine the public health by doing this garbage.
Interesting logic, for your friend, because a lot of people won’t wear mask I’m not gonna get the vaccine. Seems like that would be more reason to get the vaccine 💉 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Interesting logic, for your friend, because a lot of people won’t wear mask I’m not gonna get the vaccine. Seems like that would be more reason to get the vaccine 💉 🤣🤣🤣
He’s not a logical man, but an emotional one. He stated other reasons (common ones), but the actions of liberal politicians and elites infuriated him. There are a lot of people like him.
 
He’s not a logical man, but an emotional one. He stated other reasons (common ones), but the actions of liberal politicians and elites infuriated him. There are a lot of people like him.
Just a bit 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Met with a co-worker for lunch yesterday. He refuses to get vaccinated. The 'Rules for Thee but not for Me' crowd was a big reason to him. These hypocrites have no idea how they undermine the public health by doing this garbage.

I am not doing it due to the things I have read about it from people associated with the research and how this vaccine was made.

If you listened to the left Trump pushing the vaccine would have most of us taking this trash vaccine but many know better.
 
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I am not doing it due to the things I have read about it from people associated with the research and how this vaccine was made.
For sure, that’s your choice and you should have every right to exercise that choice. If you believe you have enough information (and the correct information), you have weighed your evidence and decided that it is in your best interest to not get vaccinated, then that is the way it is supposed to work.
For me, having spoke with other researchers involved in the process, conducting my own research, and looking at the massive amount of data- scientifically, medically, and statistically, and having spoke with my personal doctor, I made the choice to get vaccinated. But absolutely, to each his own.
 
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For sure, that’s your choice and you should have every right to exercise that choice. If you believe you have enough information (and the correct information), you have weighed your evidence and decided that it is in your best interest to not get vaccinated, then that is the way it is supposed to work.
For me, having spoke with other researchers involved in the process, conducting my own research, and looking at the massive amount of data- scientifically, medically, and statistically, and having spoke with my personal doctor, I made the choice to get vaccinated. But absolutely, to each his own.
It would be nice if it was to each his own. But the massive spread of miss information, done by someone purpose, is deceiving people into not getting the vaccine which is leading to peoples deaths and that should be regulated somehow. I’m just not sure how.
 
It would be nice if it was to each his own. But the massive spread of miss information, done by someone purpose, is deceiving people into not getting the vaccine which is leading to peoples deaths and that should be regulated somehow. I’m just not sure how.
Absolutely. But that is the key question - how? The MisDis campaign has largely been successful so far. Unlike the bad guys, we have to balance truth and freedom of speech. As soon as the government or tech companies (Twitter, etc.) get too heavy handed, it has a prophylactic effect on people who cannot decouple the scientific aspect of the vaccines from the political aspect. This is known as psychological reactance. As soon as someone perceives their freedom to be threatened, they become unreceptive to the facts of the matter.
 
Absolutely. But that is the key question - how? The MisDis campaign has largely been successful so far. Unlike the bad guys, we have to balance truth and freedom of speech. As soon as the government or tech companies (Twitter, etc.) get too heavy handed, it has a prophylactic effect on people who cannot decouple the scientific aspect of the vaccines from the political aspect. This is known as psychological reactance. As soon as someone perceives their freedom to be threatened, they become unreceptive to the facts of the matter.
Which is actually one of the stronger tools used in the miss information campaigns. I don’t know the right answer but I sure as hell don’t wanna go through what I went through in July and August again. I guess this is another sacrifice at the altar freedom, misinformed uneducated people dying from Covid they don’t have to. Or misinformed educated people as was the case frequently this time as well.
 
Which is actually one of the stronger tools used in the miss information campaigns. I don’t know the right answer but I sure as hell don’t wanna go through what I went through in July and August again. I guess this is another sacrifice at the altar freedom, misinformed uneducated people dying from Covid they don’t have to. Or misinformed educated people as was the case frequently this time as well.
Agree, and one thing we know is that certain (and common) personality types are almost impervious to rationality once they have dug their heels in psychologically on a matter. They will not change their position. But it isn't these people that I'm concerned with - they can't be reasoned with. It is the people that are on the fence that are still capable of reason. The MisDis campaigners are after them now.
 
Conspiracy theorists up in here. The hypocrisy…..wowsers.

I wonder who the man is in the relationship.

Trolls gonna troll I suppose.
 
The anatomy of a miss information story from Fox News this morning, my preferred news outlet actually.

The story was regarding Pfizer‘s soon to be approval for the vaccine down to age 5.

The story started by calling it the Pfizer vaccine for Covid one time. And then quickly change the narrative by renaming it first shot and then a jab. From this point on the only refer to it as the jab and never the vaccine.

The anchor in this case referred to it as, “so are you going to get your kids the jab?” She of course asked this to a panel of three mothers. All three mothers I’m sure specifically picked because their answer was no. The first mother they interviewed they identified as being in the science industry. No specifics were given, no level of education was given, just in the science industry.

Reasons given not to get the “jab” are the same misleading reasons stated frequently here and elsewhere about lack of longitudinal research, which has never been a requirement for vaccines, the relative newness of messenger RNA vaccines, which by the way has been around for 30 years as a technology and is well study particularly in pediatrics, and of course the fact that children are Less likely to get severely ill if they get Covid (wow true, ignores the fact that we had such a large outbreak in July and August that several pediatric patients ended up on life support through law of averages and statistics). They also quoted the numerous adverse events that they had all heard of from getting the vaccine, again likely propagated by the Internet based off of miss represented VARES Data and miss guided tweets about what it did to my son or daughter.

The group then surmised, based off of these talking points, that the risk of getting the vaccine in this age group of 5 to 11 outweigh the benefit.

That all sounds great on television but it’s simply not true.

So let’s take a look at what they did:
They renamed it from a vaccine to “the jab.” By changing the name you change the definition and connotations that go along with the definition. Vaccine is generally viewed as something positive and favorable that saves lives, while a jab is just a pain shot with no purpose.
Next they did not use scientific data but they used three moms spouting forth unproven and unsubstantiated talking points not based on actual scientific research and to appeal to the emotional relationship between a mother and their children.
Next they painted one of these mothers as being in the science industry somehow trying to equate them as being equal to all the researchers that keep telling us this is safe. This is designed to make you doubt the researchers by holding up somebody else as an equal expert saying don’t get it even though they did not give us her credentials and likely she is not the equal of the researchers in terms of education or experience.
They did not offer a physician or a virologist or a vaccine researcher on the panel, likely because it’s hard to find one anymore that doesn’t agree that the overwhelming research on vaccines in Covid which clearly shows that they save lives at every age range and that they are extremely safe at every age range which has been shown definitively over and over again in the last six months. So they’re keeping the real information from you while shifting your mindset to talking points that have never been born out by the research. Basically they’re scaring you into believing that the risk outweighs the benefit which is not substantiated by the mountain of medical literature and research that states the exact opposite.

@SORT14 in your spare time this morning please tell me if I missed anything based off the information you have available and can you assign some names to these different techniques. I’ll be interested if nobody else will be.
I was incredibly disheartening by the story on my favorite news outlet because it helps me realize how they all, every news outlet, in modern 24 hour news cycle spends the truth to what they want it to be.
 
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The anatomy of a miss information story from Fox News this morning, my preferred news outlet actually.

The story was regarding Pfizer‘s soon to be approval for the vaccine down to age 5.

The story started by calling it the Pfizer vaccine for Covid one time. And then quickly change the narrative by renaming it first shot and then a jab. From this point on the only refer to it as the jab and never the vaccine.

The anchor in this case referred to it as, “so are you going to get your kids the jab?” She of course asked this to a panel of three mothers. All three mothers I’m sure specifically picked because their answer was no. The first mother they interviewed they identified as being in the science industry. No specifics were given, no level of education was given, just in the science industry.

Reasons given not to get the “jab” are the same misleading reasons stated frequently here and elsewhere about lack of longitudinal research, which has never been a requirement for vaccines, the relative newness of messenger RNA vaccines, which by the way has been around for 30 years as a technology and is well study particularly in pediatrics, and of course the fact that children are Less likely to get severely ill if they get Covid (wow true, ignores the fact that we had such a large outbreak in July and August that several pediatric patients ended up on life support through law of averages and statistics). They also quoted the numerous adverse events that they had all heard of from getting the vaccine, again likely propagated by the Internet based off of miss represented VARES Data and miss guided tweets about what it did to my son or daughter.

The group then surmised, based off of these talking points, that the risk of getting the vaccine in this age group of 5 to 11 outweigh the benefit.

That all sounds great on television but it’s simply not true.

So let’s take a look at what they did:
They renamed it from a vaccine to “the jab.” By changing the name you change the definition and connotations that go along with the definition. Vaccine is generally viewed as something positive and favorable that saves lives, while a jab is just a pain shot with no purpose.
Next they did not use scientific data but they used three moms spouting for unproven and unsubstantiated talking points not based on size to appeal to the emotional relationship between a mother and their children.
Next they painted one of these mothers as being in the science industry somehow trying to quit them as being equal to all the researchers that keep telling us this is safe. This is designed to make you doubt the researchers by holding up somebody else as an equal expert saying don’t get it even though they did not give us her credentials and likely she is not the equal of the researchers in terms of education or experience.
They did not offer a physician or a virologist or a vaccine researcher on the panel, likely because it’s hard to find one anymore that doesn’t agree that the overwhelming research on vaccines in Covid is that they save lives at every age range and that they are extremely safe at every age range which has been shown definitively over and over again in the last six months. So they’re keeping the real information from you while shifting your mindset to talking points that have never been born out by the research.

@SORT14 in your spare time this morning please tell me if I missed anything based off the information you have available and can you assign some names to these different techniques. I’ll be interested if nobody else will be.
I was incredibly disheartening by the story on my favorite news outlet because it helps me realize how they all, every news outlet, in modern 24 hour news cycle spends the truth to what they want it to be.
I'll see if I can find the video, but this would fall right into the propaganda playbook (which CNN does as well).
First, you have reframing. This is what you mentioned about changing the name from vaccine to 'jab'. This is done for the reason you mentioned, to frame something negatively.
Also, if the interviewer lead with "so, are you going to get the jab?", she put the interviewee on the spot. No time was allotted for rational discussion, and the "so" part insinuates the answer is obvious (when it may not be).
Next we have repetition. By repeating the same misinformation, it becomes more accepted as truth. Research has shown, that repetition influences beliefs, and it is tied to the availability heuristic, which is the readily available information is more likely to be associated with truth. This is why Twitter is such fertile grounds for MisDis.
By using the three moms, they are targeting a particular demographic through identity similarity. Maybe (I would have to see the video) this could have been an appeal to emotion, which would typically follow the reframing previously discussed.
By painting the moms as scientific, they were (poorly) making an appeal to authority. This gives the illusion that the scientific community was properly represented.
And not having an actual representative from the scientific community there would be a huge red flag. But this would also undermine the goal of the interview - convince people to think a certain way versus convey actual information.
If the interview was as you say, it was a crafted attempt at deception and more likely disinformation (intentionally deceiving) than misinformation (mistakenly believing false information).
I'll have to see the video and possibly do a deeper dive into it later, but these are my initial thoughts.
 
I'll see if I can find the video, but this would fall right into the propaganda playbook (which CNN does as well).
First, you have reframing. This is what you mentioned about changing the name from vaccine to 'jab'. This is done for the reason you mentioned, to frame something negatively.
Also, if the interviewer lead with "so, are you going to get the jab?", she put the interviewee on the spot. No time was allotted for rational discussion, and the "so" part insinuates the answer is obvious (when it may not be).
Next we have repetition. By repeating the same misinformation, it becomes more accepted as truth. Research has shown, that repetition influences beliefs, and it is tied to the availability heuristic, which is the readily available information is more likely to be associated with truth. This is why Twitter is such fertile grounds for MisDis.
By using the three moms, they are targeting a particular demographic through identity similarity. Maybe (I would have to see the video) this could have been an appeal to emotion, which would typically follow the reframing previously discussed.
By painting the moms as scientific, they were (poorly) making an appeal to authority. This gives the illusion that the scientific community was properly represented.
And not having an actual representative from the scientific community there would be a huge red flag. But this would also undermine the goal of the interview - convince people to think a certain way versus convey actual information.
If the interview was as you say, it was a crafted attempt at deception and more likely disinformation (intentionally deceiving) than misinformation (mistakenly believing false information).
I'll have to see the video and possibly do a deeper dive into it later, but these are my initial thoughts.
Very interesting. And I agree that CNN are masters of this. This is why I tend to watch other news outlets. They have not posted the interview on their website yet but when they do I’ll post it on here so you can watch it. I appreciate your initial take on it. I do find this all to be very interesting. It’s funny when you know the science better than the reporter doing the new story how aggravating and angry it can make you to listen to what they are saying when you know it to be false.
 
ROFLMAO. The two stooges have fallen for the media tricks again. Media begins pushing narrative of misinformation, disinformation and echo chambers and the two biggest puppets in here fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Too funny.

Anyone else think short14 and Numero Cincuenta should just private message each other at this point?

Pretty easy to see why someone’s state is Numero Cincuenta. Too much “free time”

Smdh.

 
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@SORT14 do you think maybe we should help some of our friends out by explaining how do you actually ignore somebody 🤣🤣
I put some on ignore, as they weren't showing any interest in having a conversation, just deploying the Heckler's Veto and projecting their homosexual tendencies onto others. Board is much cleaner without having to mess with that. Problem is that it deters others from joining in and having a rational conversation.
It's an important topic that we should be able to discuss like grown ups.
 
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I put some on ignore, as they weren't showing any interest in having a conversation, just deploying the Heckler's Veto and projecting their homosexual tendencies onto others. Board is much cleaner without having to mess with that. Problem is that it deters others from joining in and having a rational conversation.
It's an important topic that we should be able to discuss like grown ups.
I have pointed out that their antics have chased off many good posters and is the very reason that other physicians and researchers have not joined this conversation over here. But they seem to have a stranglehold on the lounge as their own little personal playground for their childish grade school antics. And if you ever stoop to their level even temporarily then they’ll just Blame you.
 
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I have pointed out that their antics have chased off many good posters and is the very reason that other physicians and researchers have not joined this conversation over here. But they seem to have a stranglehold on the lounge as their own little personal playground for their childish grade school antics. And if you ever stoop to their level even temporarily then they’ll just Blame you.
Unfortunate.
 
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I'll see if I can find the video, but this would fall right into the propaganda playbook (which CNN does as well).
First, you have reframing. This is what you mentioned about changing the name from vaccine to 'jab'. This is done for the reason you mentioned, to frame something negatively.
Also, if the interviewer lead with "so, are you going to get the jab?", she put the interviewee on the spot. No time was allotted for rational discussion, and the "so" part insinuates the answer is obvious (when it may not be).
Next we have repetition. By repeating the same misinformation, it becomes more accepted as truth. Research has shown, that repetition influences beliefs, and it is tied to the availability heuristic, which is the readily available information is more likely to be associated with truth. This is why Twitter is such fertile grounds for MisDis.
By using the three moms, they are targeting a particular demographic through identity similarity. Maybe (I would have to see the video) this could have been an appeal to emotion, which would typically follow the reframing previously discussed.
By painting the moms as scientific, they were (poorly) making an appeal to authority. This gives the illusion that the scientific community was properly represented.
And not having an actual representative from the scientific community there would be a huge red flag. But this would also undermine the goal of the interview - convince people to think a certain way versus convey actual information.
If the interview was as you say, it was a crafted attempt at deception and more likely disinformation (intentionally deceiving) than misinformation (mistakenly believing false information).
I'll have to see the video and possibly do a deeper dive into it later, but these are my initial thoughts.
Interesting. These tactics have names. I have intuitively known about this stuff for years. The AP is the most blatant propagandist in print and when I read a FoxNews.com article I could tell it was an AP reprint before seeing the disclaimer at the bottom. They were masters at using adjectives to frame an article. I rarely watch news because its time consuming, biased , emotion driven etc. I read the news. I immediately get to the articles I want to read . For me, bias is easier to spot in print.
 
Interesting. These tactics have names. I have intuitively known about this stuff for years. The AP is the most blatant propagandist in print and when I read a FoxNews.com article I could tell it was an AP reprint before seeing the disclaimer at the bottom. They were masters at using adjectives to frame an article. I rarely watch news because its time consuming, biased , emotion driven etc. I read the news. I immediately get to the articles I want to read . For me, bias is easier to spot in print.
I guest lectured at UF (and UCF) on psychological methods used in deception detection several years ago. My current research is applying statistical modeling (machine learning) to MisDis in the media/social media space. You can almost spot the play call down the line, steps A through Z. It is very methodological.
There are several tactics used differently for different targets. On the left, they appeal to the false assumption of intellectual and moral superiority, as well as the unconstrained vision for man. On the right, they appeal to conspiratorial thinking among others. Both the left and the right have their useful idiots, and they are played against each other in such an obvious and predictable fashion.
 
I guest lectured at UF (and UCF) on psychological methods used in deception detection several years ago. My current research is applying statistical modeling (machine learning) to MisDis in the media/social media space. You can almost spot the play call down the line, steps A through Z. It is very methodological.
There are several tactics used differently for different targets. On the left, they appeal to the false assumption of intellectual and moral superiority, as well as the unconstrained vision for man. On the right, they appeal to conspiratorial thinking among others. Both the left and the right have their useful idiots, and they are played against each other in such an obvious and predictable fashion.
LOL at that assumption of moral superiority. They are pro abortion, promote single motherhood via policy, pro homosexual and transgender, pro drugs, pro theft via redistribution of wealth and tend to be weak on crime as they have an affinity for the criminal. I am sure I am leaving out even more immoral actions that they engage in or promote.

I guess man is perfectible in their eyes.

If only he could be totally morally debased then he would be morally superior.
 
LOL at that assumption of moral superiority. They are pro abortion, promote single motherhood via policy, pro homosexual and transgender, pro drugs, pro theft via redistribution of wealth and tend to be weak on crime as they have an affinity for the criminal. I am sure I am leaving out even more immoral actions that they engage in or promote.

I guess man is perfectible in their eyes.

If only he could be totally morally debased then he would be morally superior.
That's why I edited to include "false" assumption. But the point is that those on the left that believe that they are intellectually and morally superior are the ones targeted.
And yes, the assumption that man is perfectible is the unconstrained vision (Thomas Sowell wrote THE book on this, A Conflict of Visions).
 
I have a simple question. If the vaccine is perfectly safe, no side effects and no causation of death…why wouldn’t the FDA mandate boosters for everyone? I mean even if the benefit was marginal, if there is no risk why not?
 
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I have a simple question. If the vaccine is perfectly safe, no side effects and no causation of death…why wouldn’t the FDA mandate boosters for everyone? I mean even if the benefit was marginal, if there is no risk why not?
I don't think it is fair to say the vaccines are perfectly safe with no side effects. I don't know of any causation to death, but if we assume, for conversation sake, the link you posted is completely true, and there were 23,000 deaths attributable to the vaccine. There have been over 385,000,000 vaccines administered in the US according to https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
If we assume all of those vaccines were double-doses, and therefore administered to half that number of people, which would be approximately 193 million would have been vaccinated. If 23, 000 died from the vaccine, this would be about 0.0001 percent.
I wouldn't be dismissive of that number if it were completely the case, but that would still be a very low number. However, I am skeptical that many people's deaths were from the vaccine. I haven't seen anything in the scientific literature that would support that, and these numbers wouldn't just be seen in the US, but also other countries. I'm open to the discussion though, if there is some evidence that vaccine-caused deaths are prevalent.
 
I don't think it is fair to say the vaccines are perfectly safe with no side effects. I don't know of any causation to death, but if we assume, for conversation sake, the link you posted is completely true, and there were 23,000 deaths attributable to the vaccine. There have been over 385,000,000 vaccines administered in the US according to https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
If we assume all of those vaccines were double-doses, and therefore administered to half that number of people, which would be approximately 193 million would have been vaccinated. If 23, 000 died from the vaccine, this would be about 0.0001 percent.
I wouldn't be dismissive of that number if it were completely the case, but that would still be a very low number. However, I am skeptical that many people's deaths were from the vaccine. I haven't seen anything in the scientific literature that would support that, and these numbers wouldn't just be seen in the US, but also other countries. I'm open to the discussion though, if there is some evidence that vaccine-caused deaths are prevalent.
They are recording each shot as a vaccine. I posted an article that highlighted that.

To be fair, it's gotta be tough with two vaccines that are two dose, one that's one, boosters, one shot for certain populations, etc. So the total vaxxes isn't half the 385MM number, but it's in that direction as you point out.

Understood on the 0.0001%, but we're going to mandate vaccines for an age group that has a 99.9983% chance of survival without controlling for risk factors. Seems like we're talking out of both sides of our mouths?

And trust me, the mandate for kids is right around the corner. Mayor Bowser in DC has mandated all athletes 12 and old must be vaxxed to play sports. Once 5-11 is approved by the FDA, that will be the standard.

It's almost like the FDA is waking up to the fact these vaccines can cause serious illness and potentially death. But when trying to "prove" it caused death (and we've discussed this), it seems to me a really difficult task. For example, DMX died of congestive heart failure 4 days after his second shot. Media blamed drug use. Family said he was clean. How do we "prove" the vaccine was the trigger? The guy probably wasn't a picture of health, but may have not died if he didn't get vaccinated. It's the exact same type of argument made when Covid kills an unhealthy person. Probably wouldn't have died today (but for the vaccine), but they certainly weren't doing well either.

And then you can go through the stories of seemingly really healthy younger people that were mysteriously dead within days of their second shot. I understand the difficulty in establishing causation but some of this doesn't make sense.
 
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On June 29, the Defense Health Agency (DHA) published a report in the highly respected Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) entitled “Myocarditis Following Immunization with mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in Members of the U.S. Military.”

The study reports that previously healthy service members have developed myocarditis, a severe and life-threatening inflammation of the heart, within an average of just four days of receiving their first shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna jabs.

Just one day later, Dr. Matthew Oster, who serves on Biden’s CDC COVID-19 Task Force, admitted that the shots are causing myocarditis in “young men aged 16-30,” adding, “It does appear that mRNA vaccines may be a new trigger for Myocarditis.”
 
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On June 29, the Defense Health Agency (DHA) published a report in the highly respected Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) entitled “Myocarditis Following Immunization with mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in Members of the U.S. Military.”

The study reports that previously healthy service members have developed myocarditis, a severe and life-threatening inflammation of the heart, within an average of just four days of receiving their first shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna jabs.

Just one day later, Dr. Matthew Oster, who serves on Biden’s CDC COVID-19 Task Force, admitted that the shots are causing myocarditis in “young men aged 16-30,” adding, “It does appear that mRNA vaccines may be a new trigger for Myocarditis.”
“I’m sure that guy would have had heart inflammation anyway. No causal effect.”

- The Shot Cheersquad, probably
 

On June 29, the Defense Health Agency (DHA) published a report in the highly respected Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) entitled “Myocarditis Following Immunization with mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines in Members of the U.S. Military.”

The study reports that previously healthy service members have developed myocarditis, a severe and life-threatening inflammation of the heart, within an average of just four days of receiving their first shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Moderna jabs.

Just one day later, Dr. Matthew Oster, who serves on Biden’s CDC COVID-19 Task Force, admitted that the shots are causing myocarditis in “young men aged 16-30,” adding, “It does appear that mRNA vaccines may be a new trigger for Myocarditis.”
Look at the language in that article, very untrustworthy...

Correction: As I read through the article, the rate is (at high end) of US expectations, 10 in 100,000, or 0.001 percent.
Here is a link to the research itself
Two key takeaways:
"Notably, myocarditis cases were not reported following vaccination in clinical trials of current COVID-19 vaccines."
The possibility of myocarditis has been pretty well documented from what I've seen. And IIRC, it is worse from COVID than from the vaccine.
and
"Given that COVID-19 vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing infection, any risk of rare adverse events following immunization must be carefully weighed against the very substantial benefit of vaccination"
As always, there is a choice to make. It is a choice of tradeoffs, and we should try to make the prudent choice.
 
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