Per Bob Woodward:

[Illegal-shift]

Donald Trump has had as many as seven private phone calls with Vladimir Putin since leaving office and secretly sent the Russian president COVID-19 test machines during the height of the pandemic, Bob Woodward reported in his new book, “War.”


Than there is this:

One of Trump’s longest-term allies, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, blamed Trump’s ongoing false claims that the 2020 election was rigged to a cult of personality in which the former president’s ensconcement at Mar-a-Lago and circle of aides and advisers “constantly feed this narrative,” according to the book.

The weekend after Russia invaded Ukraine, Graham was with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, which the senator characterized as “a little bit like going to North Korea.” Graham added that “everybody stands up and claps every time Trump comes in.”

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Donald Trump has had as many as seven private phone calls with Vladimir Putin since leaving office and secretly sent the Russian president COVID-19 test machines during the height of the pandemic, Bob Woodward reported in his new book, “War.”

Yawn. I guess he is implying something nefarious. More Russia nonsense from the left.

Than there is this:

One of Trump’s longest-term allies, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, blamed Trump’s ongoing false claims that the 2020 election was rigged to a cult of personality in which the former president’s ensconcement at Mar-a-Lago and circle of aides and advisers “constantly feed this narrative,” according to the book.

Unproven not "false" I get tired of this. I believe based on evidence and logic that it was stolen. I can not prove it. That does not make it false. This itself is dishonest reporting.

The weekend after Russia invaded Ukraine, Graham was with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, which the senator characterized as “a little bit like going to North Korea.” Graham added that “everybody stands up and claps every time Trump comes in.”

Again yawn. Sounds like a joke. Context, tone? Yeah why do you post this nonsense. Have you not figured out that, yes Trump is an a$$, but most of these smears are either fake or taken out of context. These people have been throwing poop at him since 2015. We are coming up on 10 years of monkey throwing BS. Hell I couldn't even stand the guy in 2016 and wrote in Cruz. But this BS is ridiculous.

I will take the a$$ for $1.67/ gal gas Alex. All day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Illegal-shift]

Yawn. I guess he is implying something nefarious. More Russia nonsense from the left.

Unproven not "false" I get tired of this. I believe based on evidence and logic that it was stolen. I can not prove it. That does not make it false. This itself is dishonest reporting.

Again yawn. Sounds like a joke. Context, tone? Yeah why do you post this nonsense. Have you not figured out that, yes Trump is an a$$, but most of these smears are either fake or taken out of context. These people have been throwing poop at him since 2015. We are coming up on 10 years of monkey throwing BS. Hell I couldn't even stand the guy in 2016 and wrote in Cruz. But this BS is ridiculous.

I will take the a$$ for $1.67/ gal gas Alex. All day and twice on Sunday.

What logic is there that suggests the election was stolen? I have asked this question of 100 Trump people and they have come up with nothing. Please explain your logic. I contend that there is absolutely nothing that should have given any Trump supporters confidence that he was going to win......thus no real logical basis to suggest it was stolen. Every metric showed Biden ahead or the race being too close to call. Trump could never even get a 50% approval rating while he was president and the economy was booming.....so please, enlighten me. The guy was historically unpopular as president.....being the first to never even get to 50%. How about the Arizona recount, why didn't that change anything? Why was Trump, despite having millions of people looking, never able to pull together enough evidence to make a reasonable court case? Tell me why Trump spent months BEFORE the election preaching to his people that the only way he could lose would be if it was stolen. Please give me your "logic" as to why anybody would do that. And WHY did Trump come out and start saying they cheated well before he could possibly have known if it was true or not? I could go on.....but I will let you present your "logic".

We have a divided country and, again in this election, no side can be very confident. But you can bet your ass Trump will say the democrats cheated if he loses.

 

[BCSpell]

The TDS is strong in this one.

 

[Illegal-shift]

The TDS is strong in this one.

Always the go to when you have no response. Its the MAGA way to deflect legitimate critique.

Just give the minions a slogan to use so they can avoid having to think.

 

[NavigatorII]

Always the go to when you have no response. Its the MAGA way to deflect legitimate critique.

Just give the minions a slogan to use so they can avoid having to think.

You've got to be a village idiot to not comprehend how several swing states didn't do their best to cover up voter fraud. GA, AZ, MI, and PA are glaring examples. Now put on your dunce cap and go sit on the short stool and face the corner.

 

[gatordad3]

Bob Woodward who works for the Washington Post, or whatever liberal newspaper he works for and the closet RINO homo, Lindsey Graham.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

What logic is there that suggests the election was stolen? I have asked this question of 100 Trump people and they have come up with nothing. Please explain your logic. I contend that there is absolutely nothing that should have given any Trump supporters confidence that he was going to win......thus no real logical basis to suggest it was stolen. Every metric showed Biden ahead or the race being too close to call. Trump could never even get a 50% approval rating while he was president and the economy was booming.....so please, enlighten me. The guy was historically unpopular as president.....being the first to never even get to 50%. How about the Arizona recount, why didn't that change anything? Why was Trump, despite having millions of people looking, never able to pull together enough evidence to make a reasonable court case? Tell me why Trump spent months BEFORE the election preaching to his people that the only way he could lose would be if it was stolen. Please give me your "logic" as to why anybody would do that. And WHY did Trump come out and start saying they cheated well before he could possibly have known if it was true or not? I could go on.....but I will let you present your "logic".

We have a divided country and, again in this election, no side can be very confident. But you can bet your ass Trump will say the democrats cheated if he loses.

19 out of 20 Bell weathers went to Trump. Trump won OH and Fla. which again historically is only done by the winner. He was ahead 600K in Pa when counting stopped. Trump increased his vote total which has as far as I know always resulted in an incumbent win.

Biden got 81M votes? Color me skeptical.

Mail in voting like we used is banned in liberal la la land aka Europe because its ripe for fraud. ( and why Trump could say he feared cheating.) We need to go back to traditional absentee with people showing why they need it not opening it to everyone sans vetting.

The graph showing the crazy swing to Biden. 200 Mules video showing fishy drop box activity. Video of the ladies pulling boxes from under the table and counting after the count was supposedly suspended. Molly Hemingway's book.

The unconstitutional meddling of governors and SOS in the election by subverting or ignoring election law. Law that is the purview of the legislatures in the states not the executive or the courts. See the US Constitution. That alone should have disqualified electors in Pa MI and Ga. Used to be one spoiled ballot got the whole batch sh*tcanned. That was back in the day when you slid a lever and the curtain opened.

A recount with the same flawed process would of course result in the same results. How about a recount were every ballot gets scrutinized and flawed ones get tossed. I bet that would have got Trump Az. and Ga. Lack of signature tossed. Signatures not matching tossed. Invalid addresses tossed. Ineligible voters tossed. Ballot disqualified under legislative rules but allowed by SOS or governors tossed. If the law did not allow for improperly dated or post dated ballots then tossed.

None of this is false and I contend would have shifted the election to Trump.

 

[jsfgators]

What logic is there that suggests the election was stolen? I have asked this question of 100 Trump people and they have come up with nothing. Please explain your logic. I contend that there is absolutely nothing that should have given any Trump supporters confidence that he was going to win......thus no real logical basis to suggest it was stolen. Every metric showed Biden ahead or the race being too close to call. Trump could never even get a 50% approval rating while he was president and the economy was booming.....so please, enlighten me. The guy was historically unpopular as president.....being the first to never even get to 50%. How about the Arizona recount, why didn't that change anything? Why was Trump, despite having millions of people looking, never able to pull together enough evidence to make a reasonable court case? Tell me why Trump spent months BEFORE the election preaching to his people that the only way he could lose would be if it was stolen. Please give me your "logic" as to why anybody would do that. And WHY did Trump come out and start saying they cheated well before he could possibly have known if it was true or not? I could go on.....but I will let you present your "logic".

We have a divided country and, again in this election, no side can be very confident. But you can bet your ass Trump will say the democrats cheated if he loses.

I can’t prove it, but I damn sure think it was stolen. First, Biden became only the 2nd president to win the White House while losing both Florida and Ohio. JFK was the other, and he won Texas. Second, for the first time in our nations history millions of unsolicited ballots were sent out in the mail. Democrat sycophants like Zuckerberg invested heavily in making sure those unsolicited ballots made their way back to a vote counter in an anonymous way. Third, for the first time ever, vote counting was halted on the middle of the night all at once in key swing states in heavily populated democratic jurisdictions. Poll observers were kicked out, and cardboard placed over the windows. Finally, once these key vote counting centers were closed up for the night, huge trump leads across these swing states evaporated. Broken water pipe my ass.

 

[scubagator]

If you can’t tell from watching videos with your own eyes that counting ballots in the wee hours of the mourning after the ballot counting was supposed to be stopped from a number of hidden ballot boxes and that were run through the tabulators multiple times is fraud then why try explaining anything to you.

 

[Illegal-shift]

19 out of 20 Bell weathers went to Trump. Trump won OH and Fla. which again historically is only done by the winner. He was ahead 600K in Pa when counting stopped. Trump increased his vote total which has as far as I know always resulted in an incumbent win.

Biden got 81M votes? Color me skeptical.

Mail in voting like we used is banned in liberal la la land aka Europe because its ripe for fraud. ( and why Trump could say he feared cheating.) We need to go back to traditional absentee with people showing why they need it not opening it to everyone sans vetting.

The graph showing the crazy swing to Biden. 200 Mules video showing fishy drop box activity. Video of the ladies pulling boxes from under the table and counting after the count was supposedly suspended. Molly Hemingway's book.

The unconstitutional meddling of governors and SOS in the election by subverting or ignoring election law. Law that is the purview of the legislatures in the states not the executive or the courts. See the US Constitution. That alone should have disqualified electors in Pa MI and Ga. Used to be one spoiled ballot got the whole batch sh*tcanned. That was back in the day when you slid a lever and the curtain opened.

A recount with the same flawed process would of course result in the same results. How about a recount were every ballot gets scrutinized and flawed ones get tossed. I bet that would have got Trump Az. and Ga. Lack of signature tossed. Signatures not matching tossed. Invalid addresses tossed. Ineligible voters tossed. Ballot disqualified under legislative rules but allowed by SOS or governors tossed. If the law did not allow for improperly dated or post dated ballots then tossed.

None of this is false and I contend would have shifted the election to Trump.

Your getting the cart before the horse. I think I didn't state my question very clearly......what I am getting at occurred before any of the above. For people to believe so strongly that the other side cheated, so strongly that they essentially accuse half of America of being criminals, there must be some really strong reason why you think your guy was going to win in the first place. You must be pretty damn certain that the democrats NEEDED to cheat to win. WHY? Why is it that you think Trump was so surely going to win that the democrats only chance was to cheat? What did YOU see that apparently so many other Americans missed because I certainly didn't know who was going to win and nobody I know did either. IMHO this has to be established first because if you don't have something here the rest of it means little. Without this your just blowing Trump smoke.

To take the position that the other side had to cheat to win their MUST be some reason you where sure your guy was going to win going in. What was it?

After this I will be glad to address all your other points (except Molly H book, I didn't read it). But IMO we need to start at the beginning. And just FYI, I have yet to find somebody who could give much of an answer to this question. Maybe you will be the first?

 

[Illegal-shift]

If you can’t tell from watching videos with your own eyes that counting ballots in the wee hours of the mourning after the ballot counting was supposed to be stopped from a number of hidden ballot boxes and that were run through the tabulators multiple times is fraud then why try explaining anything to you.

You need to go spend a couple days in time out and re-think your life.

 

[scubagator]

You need to go spend a couple days in time out and re-think your life.

Yes, it’s called the shooting range. I’ll be thinking about you.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

You've got to be a village idiot to not comprehend how several swing states didn't do their best to cover up voter fraud. GA, AZ, MI, and PA are glaring examples. Now put on your dunce cap and go sit on the short stool and face the corner.

Only an idiot could NOT see that it was stolen. You had to be THE DUMBEST person in your class, not one of the dumbest. And posting still about Russia when YOUR CANDIDATE paid for and made up the evidence SHOWS WITHOUT A DOIBT that you are dumber than a red brick.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Your getting the cart before the horse. I think I didn't state my question very clearly......what I am getting at occurred before any of the above. For people to believe so strongly that the other side cheated, so strongly that they essentially accuse half of America of being criminals, there must be some really strong reason why you think your guy was going to win in the first place. You must be pretty damn certain that the democrats NEEDED to cheat to win. WHY? Why is it that you think Trump was so surely going to win that the democrats only chance was to cheat? What did YOU see that apparently so many other Americans missed because I certainly didn't know who was going to win and nobody I know did either. IMHO this has to be established first because if you don't have something here the rest of it means little. Without this your just blowing Trump smoke.

To take the position that the other side had to cheat to win their MUST be some reason you where sure your guy was going to win going in. What was it?

After this I will be glad to address all your other points (except Molly H book, I didn't read it). But IMO we need to start at the beginning. And just FYI, I have yet to find somebody who could give much of an answer to this question. Maybe you will be the first?

WHY? Because you hid your idiot in the basement because he could not complete coherent sentences! Because he fell up the stairs on airplanes. Yes, you all are lying, cheating PIS’s. Yiu seem to get it there. 51 intelligence officers signing a letter that Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation AFTER the FBI had that computer for OVER ACYEAR and KNEW it was his.

 

[NavigatorII]

WHY? Because you hid your idiot in the basement because he could not complete coherent sentences! Because he fell up the stairs on airplanes. Yes, you all are lying, cheating PIS’s. Yiu seem to get it there. 51 intelligence officers signing a letter that Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation AFTER the FBI had that computer for OVER ACYEAR and KNEW it was his.

These fools still think Russia interfered in our election, when it's been proven above OUR OWN intelligence agencies interfered in OUR election. Village idiots, these people.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

These fools still think Russia interfered in our election, when it's been proven above OUR OWN intelligence agencies interfered in OUR election. Village idiots, these people.

And these idiots are going to be the reason we get attacked by terrorists...because they vote for people who OPENED OUR BORDERS WIDE OPEN for terrorists to enter. I am truly amazed at how stupid they are.

 

[fatman76]

Donald Trump has had as many as seven private phone calls with Vladimir Putin since leaving office and secretly sent the Russian president COVID-19 test machines during the height of the pandemic, Bob Woodward reported in his new book, “War.”


Than there is this:

One of Trump’s longest-term allies, South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, blamed Trump’s ongoing false claims that the 2020 election was rigged to a cult of personality in which the former president’s ensconcement at Mar-a-Lago and circle of aides and advisers “constantly feed this narrative,” according to the book.

The weekend after Russia invaded Ukraine, Graham was with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, which the senator characterized as “a little bit like going to North Korea.” Graham added that “everybody stands up and claps every time Trump comes in.”

You mean THIS Lindsey Graham?



And Bob Woodward? The guy who's entire career was based on Watergate access?

Find better sources.

 

[fatman76]

If you can’t tell from watching videos with your own eyes that counting ballots in the wee hours of the mourning after the ballot counting was supposed to be stopped from a number of hidden ballot boxes and that were run through the tabulators multiple times is fraud then why try explaining anything to you.

It's statistically impossible for 5 cities in swing states to all be way in Trump's favor only to see them all, in unison, kick all observers out and start processing batches of "mail in" ballots that broke 90%-100% Biden.

Saddam Hussein would tortue you if he caught you voting for someone else. His last election he got 92% of the vote.

90% of Americans can't agree that the sky is blue and grass is green.

Anyone who thinks 2020 was a clean and pure as wind driven snow is too dumb to even debate with.

 

[fatman76]

What logic is there that suggests the election was stolen? I have asked this question of 100 Trump people and they have come up with nothing. Please explain your logic.

Well you didn't ask me.

See post #19 if you want some logic.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Your getting the cart before the horse. I think I didn't state my question very clearly......what I am getting at occurred before any of the above. For people to believe so strongly that the other side cheated, so strongly that they essentially accuse half of America of being criminals, there must be some really strong reason why you think your guy was going to win in the first place.

Wow I totally reject your premises here. I don't do the polls thing. They are usually off by 3-5% in favor of the democrats. And have been my entire adult life. I didn't feel Trump had it in the bag.

I did not trust the mail in scheme before the election. Half the country does not need to be criminals. Just a few in key areas of swing states. And some just needed to openly subvert election laws in the name of fairness and oh that pandemic thing.

None of your "requirements" are needed to feel that it was stolen. In fact I told my wife the day after election day that Trump was going to win Pa because he had in a 50/50 election an insurmountable 600K lead in Pa.

.You must be pretty damn certain that the democrats NEEDED to cheat to win. WHY? Why is it that you think Trump was so surely going to win that the democrats only chance was to cheat? What did YOU see that apparently so many other Americans missed because I certainly didn't know who was going to win and nobody I know did either.

History and precedent.

2000 Florida. Remember the democrat poll worker who had a voting machine and blank ballots in his car? I do. 1960 Chicago and the Daley machine. 2020 mail in ubiquity. History of busing elderly people from polling station to station. Mail in is the same scheme without busing nursing home people from poll to poll and is easier to carry out. Judges holding polling places in democrat areas open past close. Its not that dems need to cheat. It is that they do and have all of my life. Its like wildfire in Cali, hurricanes this time of year, snow in winter, tornados in tornado alley. It a cycle that repeats. Mail in and the pandemic made it easier and made the margin greater than the usual 2% the dems could count on in the past. Instead of recounting hanging chads like 2000 you keep counting "found" ballots until your side wins.

So I didnt need to know who was going to win to know that dems would cheat. It was how effective and easy the method was this time that shocked and outraged me. When you can overcome a 600K vote advantage in a tossup swing state the outcome while statically possible is highly unlikely and does not pass the smell test.

IMHO this has to be established first because if you don't have something here the rest of it means little. Without this your just blowing Trump smoke.

Just no. Again you make assumption that need not be true or prerequisites. These are your opinions on what you feel is required not actual requirements of fact. And you can take out the H part of IMHO because there is no humbleness in your constant attempt to frame this and belittle those who feel this was stolen based on the circumstantial evidence. I am by no means humble in my disgust with democrat electioneering.

To take the position that the other side had to cheat to win their MUST be some reason you where sure your guy was going to win going in. What was it?

Nope this is NOT a requirement and is the flaw in your whole argument. You are smug in your conceit but at least unlike most TDS sufferers I detect no deceit. Its why I even bothered to try. Most end up on ignore because they are mendacious.

After this I will be glad to address all your other points (except Molly H book, I didn't read it). But IMO we need to start at the beginning. And just FYI, I have yet to find somebody who could give much of an answer to this question. Maybe you will be the first?

I am sure that I gave reasonable answers that did indeed answer your questions. But by not accepting your requirements and premises you will claim that no one has answered them.

 

[JimGaster]

Woodward is an enemy of the American People.

This is another UniParty BS Narrative. Just like Hunter's Laptop is not real. Weapons of Mass Destruction, 2020 was the most clean election of all time, ...

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Nice opinion piece:

More info on the steal

florida.forums.rivals.com

 

[Gator Fever]

Bob Woodward - the king of pushing the Russian Collusion lie nonsense. 🤣

 

[gatordad3]

This doesn't belong here, but IDGAF!

 

[Illegal-shift]

Yes, it’s called the shooting range. I’ll be thinking about you.

LOL, well played my man. Glad I could inspire you.

 

[gatordad3]

Always the go to when you have no response. Its the MAGA way to deflect legitimate critique.

Just give the minions a slogan to use so they can avoid having to think.

Says the Charlie Crist lover.