Outrage as Black teen shot after going to wrong address to pick up siblings

[Gator Fever]

Actually this from the lawyer from the family...no report of threat y police, suspect or family

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"we haven't heard" "there are rumors"

If the guy was real elderly and there was a confrontation he has a better chance of winning in court than if it was some younger person. Him being elderly like that would also make me think there is a possibility he might have jumped to shooting the kid even if there wasn't a justified threat. If its a he said this and he said that case without the other evidence making clear what happened you would much rather be elderly like that if it did ultimately go to a jury though.

 

[Steveerino]

You might be a 2nd ammedment zealot that's your problem...

I'm speaking of those that see EVERY shooting incident as a reason to question the unarmed victim
instead of the target of the investigation...the shooter.

Thanks. I'm a fervent 2nd amendment advocate but shooting a kid through your door is cold blooded attempted murder if indeed that is what happened. You come into my house with ill intent you'll be carried out but its trigger happy ti blast through your door at someone outside.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

"we haven't heard" "there are rumors"

If the guy was real elderly and there was a confrontation he has a better chance of winning in court than if it was some younger person. Him being elderly like that would also make me think there is a possibility he might have jumped to shooting the kid even if there wasn't a justified threat. If its a he said this and he said that case without the other evidence making clear what happened you would much rather be elderly like that if it did ultimately go to a jury though.

Well now its being reported that the victim did go to three neighbors homes...no one helped
And the neighbor who called the cops was told to not come outside (by the shooter?)

Kid shot in head unarmed...its the shooter who better be hoping there's exonerating video

Being elderly is not gonna to save him if the reported facts so far are proven to be true

 

[Gator Fever]

Well now its being reported that the victim did go to three neighbors homes...no one helped
And the neighbor who called the cops was told to not come outside (by the shooter?)

Kid shot in head unarmed...its the shooter who better be hoping there's exonerating video

Being elderly is not gonna to save him if the reported facts so far are proven to be true

Facts aren't facts until they are confirmed. They need to put out there what the shooter is claiming and what the evidence is pointing to. I am more inclined to believe we may just have a person here that overreacted and shot the kid for no good reason seeing the age however. The cops releasing the guy without charges yet while waiting to get more evidence seems to point to the guy claiming he had a reason for shooting him though.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Facts aren't facts until they are confirmed.

That's why talk of imaginary exonerating video, home invasion, unreported confrontations in defense of the shooter is kinda of ridiculous right?

They need to put out there what the shooter is claiming and what the evidence is pointing to. I am more inclined to believe we may just have a person here that overreacted and shot the kid for no good reason seeing the age however.

If the kid was shot dead, do you think the police wouldn't have probable cause to hold him for more than 2 hours?

The cops releasing the guy without charges yet while waiting to get more evidence seems to point to the guy claiming he had a reason for shooting him though.

Every shooter has a justifying story...

Releasing suspected shooters like this is far less frequent when the shooter isn't white
That's the reason for the outrage

If a black shooter shot a 16 yr old unarmed white kid?
They would likely find a charge to hold him on while they continued the investigation

 

[Gator Fever]

That's why talk of imaginary exonerating video, home invasion, unreported confrontations in defense of the shooter is kinda of ridiculous right?

We don't know if the homes in that area had video that might show something. They possibly might since its 2024.

If the kid was shot dead, do you think the police wouldn't have probable cause to hold him for more than 2 hours?

If he had a story of a stand your ground defense that the police didn't have evidence at that time to cast doubt on his claims he wouldn't even have been taking in at all in my county unless they had evidence it likely wasn't a legal shooting.

Every shooter has a justifying story...

Sounds like you think almost all shooters should be locked up regardless of what happened.

Releasing suspected shooters like this is far less frequent when the shooter isn't white
That's the reason for the outrage

I almost guarantee you if this guy was an 80 year old black man he wouldn't have been charged yet either until they had the evidence they wanted.

If a black shooter shot a 16 yr old unarmed white kid?
They would likely find a charge to hold him on while they continued the investigation

I think it would have went down the same way. Take the old man in for extending questioning and then see if you have a good case against him or not with what he is claiming and comparing it to the evidence.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

We don't know if the homes in that area had video that might show something. They possibly might since its 2024.

There's been no mention of video...so as you say "facts are facts"
And that would make this idea pure speculation untila video surfaces

If he had a story of a stand your ground defense that the police didn't have evidence at that time to cast doubt on his claims he wouldn't even have been taking in at all in my county unless they had evidence it likely wasn't a legal shooting.

That's my point.
That's why this other story of a possible home invasion is pure speculation

"facts are facts"

Sounds like you think almost all shooters should be locked up regardless of what happened.

How did you come to that conclusion?
There's a kid shot in the head unarmed and the homeowner's gun did the shooting

I would say that's pretty compelling evidence for a probable cause for arrest

And the homeowner was arrested

I almost guarantee you if this guy was an 80 year old black man he wouldn't have been charged yet either until they had the evidence they wanted.

Ask Crosley Green about being a black shooter of a 21 yr old white man...

Arrested & convicted of murder...No direct evidence..Over the objections of the investigating officers...
Recanting by the witnesses...hiding of exculpatory evidence

Don't think Crosley spent a day out of jail after arrest....and now he's going BACK to jail

In today's case...the guy barely spent less than 2 hours under arrest

I think it would have went down the same way. Take the old man in for extending questioning and then see if you have a good case against him or not with what he is claiming and comparing it to the evidence.

Crosley Green's case...DeSantis can stop this but lets see if that happens

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crosle...son-years-after-murder-conviction-overturned/
Crosley Green returning to prison years after Florida murder conviction was overturned
BY ALIZA CHASAN

APRIL 17, 2023 / 4:26 PM / CBS NEWS

CBS News' "48 Hours" has been covering the case for years.

Green was arrested in the April 3, 1989 death of 22-year-old Chip Flynn, who was shot to death in a Central Florida orange grove.

Flynn's ex-girlfriend, Kim Hallock, told police she and Flynn had been kidnapped by a Black man. She said she managed to escape. Hallock identified Green in a questionable photo lineup.

There was no physical evidence tying Green to the shooting. Green said he was at a party at the time of the murder.

Green was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and murder, despite the lack of direct evidence.

Just a few months after the shooting, two Brevard County officers who had been first on the crime scene expressed their doubts about the arrest. Patrol Deputy Mark Rixey and Sergeant Diane Clarke went to Assistant State Attorney Christopher White and told him they thought Hallock was the likely shooter. Hallock's story was inconsistent, both officers told White.

Rixey later said, "I told him that I thought she did it." White took notes of the meeting but didn't turn over the information to Green's attorney, "48 Hours" reported.

At trial, prosecutors presented three witnesses, including Green's own sister, who claimed he had confessed. Later, all three, who had been facing legal problems of their own, recanted saying they had been pressured to testify against Green.

Green was offered a plea bargain at trial in 1990, but he refused to take it, maintaining his innocence. He was convicted by an all-White jury and sentenced to death. Lawyers eventually got him off death row due to errors in the sentencing process.

 

[Gator Fever]

There's been no mention of video...so as you say "facts are facts"
And that would make this idea pure speculation untila video surfaces



That's my point.
That's why this other story of a possible home invasion is pure speculation

"facts are facts"



How did you come to that conclusion?
There's a kid shot in the head unarmed and the homeowner's gun did the shooting

I would say that's pretty compelling evidence for a probable cause for arrest

And the homeowner was arrested



Ask Crosley Green about being a black shooter of a 21 yr old white man...

Arrested & convicted of murder...No direct evidence..Over the objections of the investigating officers...
Recanting by the witnesses...hiding of exculpatory evidence

Don't think Crosley spent a day out of jail after arrest....and now he's going BACK to jail

In today's case...the guy barely spent less than 2 hours under arrest



Crosley Green's case...DeSantis can stop this but lets see if that happens

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/crosle...son-years-after-murder-conviction-overturned/
Crosley Green returning to prison years after Florida murder conviction was overturned
BY ALIZA CHASAN

APRIL 17, 2023 / 4:26 PM / CBS NEWS

CBS News' "48 Hours" has been covering the case for years.

Green was arrested in the April 3, 1989 death of 22-year-old Chip Flynn, who was shot to death in a Central Florida orange grove.

Flynn's ex-girlfriend, Kim Hallock, told police she and Flynn had been kidnapped by a Black man. She said she managed to escape. Hallock identified Green in a questionable photo lineup.

There was no physical evidence tying Green to the shooting. Green said he was at a party at the time of the murder.

Green was arrested and charged with kidnapping, robbery and murder, despite the lack of direct evidence.

Just a few months after the shooting, two Brevard County officers who had been first on the crime scene expressed their doubts about the arrest. Patrol Deputy Mark Rixey and Sergeant Diane Clarke went to Assistant State Attorney Christopher White and told him they thought Hallock was the likely shooter. Hallock's story was inconsistent, both officers told White.

Rixey later said, "I told him that I thought she did it." White took notes of the meeting but didn't turn over the information to Green's attorney, "48 Hours" reported.

At trial, prosecutors presented three witnesses, including Green's own sister, who claimed he had confessed. Later, all three, who had been facing legal problems of their own, recanted saying they had been pressured to testify against Green.

Green was offered a plea bargain at trial in 1990, but he refused to take it, maintaining his innocence. He was convicted by an all-White jury and sentenced to death. Lawyers eventually got him off death row due to errors in the sentencing process.

With them talking stand your ground law in these articles now I think its more likely he was shot after going to the door and then whatever happened than him walking in the house with an unlocked door thinking he was at the right house. It would be nice for the police to tell us the basics here though. Did he shoot through the door as some have claimed or did he open the door and shoot as some relatives have claimed.

 

[EvilWayz]

This is not hard. If you don't know who's at the door you don't open the door or shoot through it.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

With them talking stand your ground law in these articles now I think its more likely he was shot after going to the door and then whatever happened than him walking in the house with an unlocked door thinking he was at the right house. It would be nice for the police to tell us the basics here though. Did he shoot through the door as some have claimed or did he open the door and shoot as some relatives have claimed.

A bullet hole will begin to tell that story...

Police will know just how far away the shot started from, if the door was fully closed, etc

 

[Gator Fever]

Charges filed in shooting of Kansas City teen who rang wrong doorbell

"He was confronted by a man who told him, ‘Don’t come back around here,’” and then the man “immediately fired his weapon," attorney Lee Merritt said.

www.nbcnews.com

The most updated thing I found where they are charging him with something but it still doesn't say what the old man claims happened. If he is that old he might just be a crazy that decided to shoot.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

But your article does say this...quoting the prosecuting attorney for the state


An 85-year-old white male has been charged with two crimes: assault in the first degree and armed criminal action, Clay County Prosecuting Attorney Zachary Thompson said Monday.

A warrant was issued for Andrew Lester, who is not in custody, Thompson said, adding that he didn't know where Lester was. [WTF!!! 😲 ]

Thompson said there was a racial component to the shooting but declined to elaborate.

 

[Gator Fever]

But your article does say this...quoting the prosecuting attorney for the state


An 85-year-old white male has been charged with two crimes: assault in the first degree and armed criminal action, Clay County Prosecuting Attorney Zachary Thompson said Monday.

A warrant was issued for Andrew Lester, who is not in custody, Thompson said, adding that he didn't know where Lester was. [WTF!!! 😲 ]

Thompson said there was a racial component to the shooting but declined to elaborate.

I would like to read what each side claimed in their statement. This version makes the shot through the door story appear to have been false. It sounds like the old man opened the door from what the kid says and the shooting happened after that. This guy being 85 years old makes me think we might have some slight dementia going on though that could have contributed to the shooting also.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

All of that may be true...but you know what else is true

The victim blaming should stop

Whether or not dementia is at the root cause

THIS is a guy who shouldn't be a gun owner and there's nothing wrong with some form of stricter
regulation around gun ownership

Lots of rights exist that have regulations...limitations

Guns should be no different

 

[Gator Fever]

All of that may be true...but you know what else is true

The victim blaming should stop

Whether or not dementia is at the root cause

THIS is a guy who shouldn't be a gun owner and there's nothing wrong with some form of stricter
regulation around gun ownership

Lots of rights exist that have regulations...limitations

Guns should be no different

I want to hear what both sides claim but if the kids version as implied above in the article is true then the guy definitely didn't have a right shooting him.

As far as guns I don't see any way you could assure a hot head is restricted from having a gun. About the only thing you could do is have these laws they have now about mental issues etc not being allowed to purchase a gun or have them taken if the person is a threat but those laws get abused also. Also in the US unless the person is on the cops radar it is easy to have an illegal gun in your home. I bet the number of felons that at least have a gun illegally at their residence is a huge number.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I want to hear what both sides claim but if the kids version as implied above in the article is true then the guy definitely didn't have a right shooting him.

Lots of people (of color) don't get that reasonable hearing from the arresting officer
They are immediately arrested and charges are made to hold them

As far as guns I don't see any way you could assure a hot head is restricted from having a gun

I dunno...make them register them?

Make them pass a gun ownershup test to prove they're competant of the current laws and
are still mentally compliant to own a gun?

About the only thing you could do is have these laws they have now about mental issues etc not being allowed to purchase a gun or have them taken if the person is a threat but those laws get abused also. Also in the US unless the person is on the cops radar it is easy to have an illegal gun in your home. I bet the number of felons that at least have a gun illegally at their residence is a huge number.

Those aren't even close to what COULD be done

 

[Gator Fever]

Lots of people (of color) don't get that reasonable hearing from the arresting officer
They are immediately arrested and charges are made to hold them




I dunno...make them register them?

Make them pass a gun ownershup test to prove they're competant of the current laws and
are still mentally compliant to own a gun?



Those aren't even close to what COULD be done

We know what you crazed lefties want done about guns.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Keep telling us what you need to hear about this case of an old white man shooting a black kid before you believe the victim.

Its a storyline as old as this country

Whether you like it or not...gun control is a race issue along with a civil rights issue

That's what crazed conservatives want done about guns

 

[Gator Fever]

Keep telling us what you need to hear about this case of an old white man shooting a black kid before you believe the victim.

Its a storyline as old as this country

Whether you like it or not...gun control is a race issue along with a civil rights issue

That's what crazed conservatives want done about guns

How is gun control a race issue? Its an issue of trying to take away the rights of people to have guns.

 

[EvilWayz]

How is gun control a race issue? Its an issue of trying to take away the rights of people to have guns.

Oh he's right it is a race issue.

Gun controls origins are in keeping guns out of the hands of freed slaves.

Klan finds it easier to lynch unarmed folk.

 

[Gator Fever]

Oh he's right it is a race issue.

Gun controls origins are in keeping guns out of the hands of freed slaves.

Klan finds it easier to lynch unarmed folk.

I do worry what is coming when technology advances more to give Govts the ability to not even worry about a possible uprising no matter what they are doing to the people.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

How is gun control a race issue? Its an issue of trying to take away the rights of people to have guns.

Who does it disparately injure?

The lack of adeqaute gun control makes poor communities that much more life threating

Is there a black majority owned gun manufacturer?
Is the importation of drugs like fentaynl or heroin controlled by black people?
Are any of the major alcohol/liquor manufacturers run by black people?

The three biggest factors afflicting poor communities are not there by accident

You throw drugs & alcohol into a poor economic environment with loose control of lethal weapons
and you have mayhem...and it doesn't happen by coincidence

Declaring that "there's nothing we can do" is a bunch of bullshit

But just like with drugs...when things move from being "street" (non-white) to affecting the middle class (whites)
then there's a political uproar and we all of sudden can do a lot of things to fix the problem

Remember how heroin addiction went from something we heavily criminalized to understanding as a disease in need of rehabilitation? That happened because middle class white kids started overdosing.

Before that demographic change...all of the talk was lock those drug users up

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I want to hear what both sides claim but if the kids version as implied above in the article is true then the guy definitely didn't have a right shooting him.

We're glad you've caught up to the rest of the world on this...
Or are you still skeptical of the black victim?

Who knows maybe there's a video showing him entering the house still? 🤣

The shooter shot him in the head THROUGH the door...then opened the door and shot him again laying on the ground.

Race was involved in the shooting and in its aftermath
You know the victim was treated as a suspect by the neighbors?

Told to raise his hands above his head and get on the ground like he was the one who should be arrested
Only then did he receive help

The police lied. They had a preliminary statement from the victim on Friday
They could have held him...they CHOSE not to

And as of Monday night police don't even know where the shooter is... 😲

So where's all of that crap you were postng about what police would do if his story didn't check out?


https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article274429645.html#storylink=cpy
Kansas City man charged in Ralph Yarl shooting not booked in jail late Monday
BY BILL LUKITSCH APRIL 17, 2023 10:46 PM

Five hours after a warrant for his arrest was announced from inside the Clay County courthouse, 84-year-old Andrew D. Lester remained outside the custody of the county jail, according to the sheriff’s office. Prosecutors charged Lester on Monday with first-degree assault and armed criminal action in the shooting of 16-year-old Ralph Yarl, an honor student at Staley High School who was met with gunfire when he mistakenly rang the elderly man’s Northland doorbell on Thursday.

It was not immediately clear whether Lester was in the custody of any police agency on Monday night. The warrant issued for his arrest calls for him to be held in Clay County jail on a $200,000 bond.

 

[Gator Fever]

Kaylin Gillis: Woman shot dead in New York state after friend pulled into wrong driveway

Family remembers Kaylin Gillis as "beautiful soul and ray of light" who will be deeply missed.

www.google.com

I guess its dangerous to pull up in the wrong driveway also.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Just another example of why gun owners should be tested for competency on a regular interval

Maybe once every 3-5 years?

 

[Gator Fever]

Just another example of why gun owners should be tested for competency on a regular interval

Maybe once every 3-5 years?

Not going to happen but I am curious what is the background of these 2 shooters especially the younger one of the two. I know news like this didnt usually go national many years ago but its almost like the get off my lawn guy when you barely touched it walking down the road is now shooting people for coming onto the property.

 

[nail1988]

Outrage white women shot and killed turning into wrong driveway…,media won’t cover this

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Not going to happen but I am curious what is the background of these 2 shooters especially the younger one of the two. I know news like this didnt usually go national many years ago but its almost like the get off my lawn guy when you barely touched it walking down the road is now shooting people for coming onto the property.

You think that may because of the proliferation of guns?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Outrage

Did they let the shooter go free like in Missouri?

As of right now the police are waiting for the shooter to turn himself in

They don't actually know where the shooter is right now

 

[Gator Fever]

Did they let the shooter go free like in Missouri?

As of right now the police are waiting for the shooter to turn himself in

They don't actually know where the shooter is right now

Not sure but in FL they cant even forcefully take you in like that without the cops charging you. So if the guy is claiming he was in a stand your ground situation that is not something crazy without getting more evidence.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Kaylin Gillis: Woman shot dead in New York state after friend pulled into wrong driveway

Family remembers Kaylin Gillis as "beautiful soul and ray of light" who will be deeply missed.

www.google.com

I guess its dangerous to pull up in the wrong driveway also.

Well, we used to shoot at trespassers on our posted land. We would just graze them though.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Not sure but in FL they cant even forcefully take you in like that without the cops charging you. So if the guy is claiming he was in a stand your ground situation that is not something crazy without getting more evidence.

Back to the imaginary defenses I see...

The Missouri shooter never claimed a SYG defense...
The NY story isn't a SYG possibility...the shooter fired on the car as it was reversing out the driveway

I don't know what planet you live on but cops regularly hold people on minor charges to get them
off the street

 

[Gator Fever]

Back to the imaginary defenses I see...

The Missouri shooter never claimed a SYG defense...
The NY story isn't a SYG possibility...the shooter fired on the car as it was reversing out the driveway

I don't know what planet you live on but cops regularly hold people on minor charges to get them
off the street

How do you know what he has claimed? The articles were mentioning the term a lot but only were saying what the lawyer and family said and then the kid when he was charged. If they finally said what that shooter told the cops post it.

Yes the driveway shooter was a case an instant arrest should be made. And if the other shooters story matched the kids story he should have been charged right away also but my guess would be it didnt since the cops released him pending further investigation.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Well, we used to shoot at trespassers on our posted land. We would just graze them though.

Yeah this b*tch got "grazed" too... 🤣

 

[BSC911]

Outrage white women shot and killed turning into wrong driveway…,media won’t cover this

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Isn’t Fox News part of the media?

Oh, you’re saying they are purely entertainment for old white people. I knew it.

 

[EvilWayz]

Yeah this b*tch got "grazed" too... 🤣

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Curiosity forces me to ask why on a board you believe is ate up with racist white people you would post some hood shit like this to confirm their low opinion.

 

[JimGaster]

So much anger & violence. Satan is very, very happy. It’s his plan.

I hope the young man fully recovers & justices prevails…. I’m not sure there is justice in America anymore. Our government has been captured by crazy Leftists! Sad, but true.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

How do you know what he has claimed? The articles were mentioning the term a lot but only were saying what the lawyer and family said and then the kid when he was charged. If they finally said what that shooter told the cops post it.

The prosecutor's press conference and the reporting of the probable cause affidavit good enough?

https://www.kshb.com/news/crime/84-...arged-with-2-felonies-for-shooting-ralph-yarl

The police had witness statements from the neighbors who came to the victim's aid corroborating his account of the events

Physical evidence of the shot out door and the shooters actual statements which at a mimimum admit gross negligence

Yes the driveway shooter was a case an instant arrest should be made. And if the other shooters story matched the kids story he should have been charged right away also but my guess would be it didnt since the cops released him pending further investigation.

Both were cases of instant arrest being appropriate & hold given the threat they pose to the public

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Curiosity forces me to ask why on a board you believe is ate up with racist white people you would post some hood shit like this to confirm their low opinion.

Did you have that same conclusion when the posting of a black woman beating up a white girl was posted?
Or when curmudgeon jokes that he "only grazed 'em" ?

Did your curiosity get peaked why anyone would find that funny? Nope.

Hood shit draws your curiosity...white redneck racist shit...No problema

I have no problem cheering that chick on...

That girl is the epitome of white privilege...
Thought disrespecting the black girl to her face was OK because nothing would happen to her.

Well she thought wrong

For a place that has no reservation for the amount of hate it throws at non-white kids acting inappropriately

Want them thrown in jail...question their parenting...joke about shooting them even

All of a sudden because a little blonde girl runs her mouth and your upset that she got it shut?
Where's the criticism of the white girl's upbringing? Where are the questions about her character?

She was hiding behind some fake "I'm not racist" "I can't do anything about it" crap

I'll bet you one thing...she won't do that dumb shit again 🤣

We make movies like Project X celebrating white kids going wild and fighting the police
(loosely based on a true story)

However, it has been widely speculated that Project X was loosely based around an infamous party held by 16-year-old Australian Corey Worthington in 2008. The teenager threw a party in his parents' house, put the invitation on MySpace, and to his surprise, five hundred people turned up, and a fight between the police and the civilians broke out.

I could only imagine the racist crap that would be floating around here if there was a black Project X movie and Chicago happened

 

[EvilWayz]

Did you have that same conclusion when the posting of a black woman beating up a white girl was posted?
Or when curmudgeon jokes that he "only grazed 'em" ?

So you missed the part in the other thread where I said if you're dumb enough to call someone the N word in front of their crew, you're lucky if they don't kill you.

Did your curiosity get peaked why anyone would find that funny? Nope.

It wasnt funny when those 5 white people assaulted that black dude in his own yard and then they arrested the black dude. I don't get credit for that I see.

Hood shit draws your curiosity...white redneck racist shit...No problema

GTFO out with this bullshit. White people at least have the sense to be embarrassed when white trash fight at walmart and other shenanigans.

Ignorant shit is ignorant shit.

If you choose to arm your enemies I have no sympathy for you.

Oh wait, you believe in systemic racism AND gun control. So I already didn't.