Outrage as Black teen shot after going to wrong address to pick up siblings

[RayGravesGhost]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/17/black-kansas-city-teen-shot-wrong-address
Outrage as Black teen shot after going to wrong address to pick up siblings
Ralph Yarl, 16, in stable condition in Kansas City as lawyer says ‘It is inescapable not to acknowledge the racial dynamics at play’

The shooting of a Black teenager who went to the wrong house to pick up his younger twin brothers from a play date is under investigation by authorities in Missouri, amid growing outrage that the homeowner who wounded him was released by police.

Ralph Yarl, 16, was in a stable condition in hospital in Kansas City on Monday. Reports said he was shot at least twice on Thursday night, first through the front door of the house and a second time when he lay wounded on the ground.


At a press conference on Sunday, Stacey Graves, chief of the Kansas City police department, defended the release of the unnamed homeowner, citing Missouri law that states a person can be held only 24 hours before being formally charged or released.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

 

[EvilWayz]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.

"[if] you want to keep someone away from your house, just fire the shotgun through the door."

Vice President Joe Biden
Field and Stream magazine
February 25, 2013

 

[GatorTheo]

Imagine how excited MSM was when they got to use 'black' in the headline.

 

[Gator Fever]

Would like to hear what actually happened here. Did the kid mistakenly enter through an unlocked door thinking he was at the right house? Who shot him? Was this a bad neighborhood where he was shot? The cops not holding the shooter after the 24 hours suggest there are some legal questions here for sure at least about what the 2 sides are telling them or the person would most likely be charged already if they were sure someone just shot the kid for knocking on their door.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Would like to hear what actually happened here. Did the kid mistakenly enter through an unlocked door thinking he was at the right house?

He was shot outside the house after he rang the doorbell

Who shot him?

The homeowner

Was this a bad neighborhood where he was shot?

Who cares? What? The laws don't apply if the neighborhood is "bad"?

The cops not holding the shooter after the 24 hours suggest there are some legal questions here for sure at least about what the 2 sides are telling them or the person would most likely be charged already if they were sure someone just shot the kid for knocking on their door.

Really?

How long did it take to arrest these murderers? 3 months.

 

[EvilWayz]

Someone shot a child thru a door.

 

[Gator Fever]

Someone shot a child thru a door.

Has that been confirmed by the police?

 

[EvilWayz]

Has that been confirmed by the police?

ITS IN THE DAMN ARTICLE.

Quit crawfishing. If you are behind a door and nobody is trying to kick it in, you're safe and you wait for the cops.

 

[Gator Fever]

ITS IN THE DAMN ARTICLE.

Quit crawfishing. If you are behind a door and nobody is trying to kick it in, you're safe and you wait for the cops.

So you witnessed the shooting and know exactly how it went down? Could be true but so many of these damn articles print false unconfirmed stuff there is a chance that isn't exactly how it happened. Have they said who the shooter was yet?

 

[EvilWayz]

So you witnessed the shooting and know exactly how it went down? Could be true but so many of these damn articles print false unconfirmed stuff there is a chance that isn't exactly how it happened. Have they said who the shooter was yet?

I'm fairly sure even the most retarded reporter can identify a hole in a door.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

So you witnessed the shooting and know exactly how it went down? Could be true but so many of these damn articles print false unconfirmed stuff there is a chance that isn't exactly how it happened. Have they said who the shooter was yet?

fever please SFTU with the stupid questions...If you don't give a crap about the story don't comment

Your attempted defense of the indefensible says alot about you and nothing about the victim

 

[Gator Fever]

I'm fairly sure even the most retarded reporter can identify a hole in a door.

Police charge white man for shooting Black teen boy who had wrong address

Ralph Yarl, 16, is in stable condition as outrage spread over the police’s initial decision to release the homeowner without charges

www.theguardian.com

In the article they even give differing versions of it.

Ralph Yarl, 16, was in a stable condition in hospital in Kansas City on Monday. Reports said he was shot at least twice on Thursday night, first through the front door of the house and a second time when he lay wounded on the ground.

"Faith Spoonmore, the teen’s aunt, was among protesters on Sunday. She said the homeowner “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

She said he was shot a second time after he fell to the ground, was able to get up and run away, and knocked at three different homes before someone helped him."

 

[EvilWayz]

Police charge white man for shooting Black teen boy who had wrong address

Ralph Yarl, 16, is in stable condition as outrage spread over the police’s initial decision to release the homeowner without charges

www.theguardian.com

In the article they even give differing versions of it.

Ralph Yarl, 16, was in a stable condition in hospital in Kansas City on Monday. Reports said he was shot at least twice on Thursday night, first through the front door of the house and a second time when he lay wounded on the ground.

"Faith Spoonmore, the teen’s aunt, was among protesters on Sunday. She said the homeowner “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

She said he was shot a second time after he fell to the ground, was able to get up and run away, and knocked at three different homes before someone helped him."

I've read two articles that said thru the door.

+++++++Racism Spoiler Alert+++++

There is no human being on earth more polite than a black child lost in a white neighborhood.

I'll be perfectly willing to apologize if he was banging on doors and screaming but I'm guessing a new driver sent to pick up a sibling wasn't doing that.

Even if I pretend there's no racial element it sounds like someone got spooked and shot before they knew their target. Which is a safety violation for starters.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Police charge white man for shooting Black teen boy who had wrong address

Ralph Yarl, 16, is in stable condition as outrage spread over the police’s initial decision to release the homeowner without charges

www.theguardian.com

In the article they even give differing versions of it.

Ralph Yarl, 16, was in a stable condition in hospital in Kansas City on Monday. Reports said he was shot at least twice on Thursday night, first through the front door of the house and a second time when he lay wounded on the ground.

"Faith Spoonmore, the teen’s aunt, was among protesters on Sunday. She said the homeowner “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

She said he was shot a second time after he fell to the ground, was able to get up and run away, and knocked at three different homes before someone helped him."

Thanks for proving the point he never entered the house...

And I guess you're conveniently ignoring the police chief's press conference huh?

This is why people are getting fed up with 2nd ammendment zealots

You can't even bring yourself to condemn a ridiculous shooting
You turn to victim blaming instead of blaming the gun owner

 

[Gator Fever]

I've read two articles that said thru the door.

+++++++Racism Spoiler Alert+++++

There is no human being on earth more polite than a black child lost in a white neighborhood.

I'll be perfectly willing to apologize if he was banging on doors and screaming but I'm guessing a new driver sent to pick up a sibling wasn't doing that.

Even if I pretend there's no racial element it sounds like someone got spooked and shot before they knew their target. Which is a safety violation for starters.

Are there any articles saying the shooter is white yet? Usually that is the first thing the lefty press will push if they know the person was white.

I hope that house or neighbors have surveillance video to shed light on how this went down but if the shooter isn't in custody within 48 hours from now on charges I am going to assume the shooter claims it went down differently than that and the cops don't have anything to disprove the claim at that point.

I tend to also believe this could be a shooting from a minority unless other articles have confirmed the person was white. Could be wrong but that is how the left operates usually.

 

[EvilWayz]

Are there any articles saying the shooter is white yet? Usually that is the first thing the lefty press will push if they know the person was white.

I hope that house or neighbors have surveillance video to shed light on how this went down but if the shooter isn't in custody within 48 hours from now on charges I am going to assume the shooter claims it went down differently than that and the cops don't have anything to disprove the claim at that point.

I tend to also believe this could be a shooting from a minority unless other articles have confirmed the person was white. Could be wrong but that is how the left operates usually.

Someone shot an unarmed child. The door may or may not be an issue, race may or may not be an issue.

As of right this second I'm on the side of the child.

 

[EvilWayz]

This is why people are getting fed up with 2nd ammendment zealots

As a second amendment zealot, kiss my ass.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

As a second amendment zealot, kiss my ass.

You might be a 2nd ammedment zealot that's your problem...

I'm speaking of those that see EVERY shooting incident as a reason to question the unarmed victim
instead of the target of the investigation...the shooter.

 

[GatorTheo]

You might be a 2nd ammedment zealot that's your problem...

I'm speaking of those that see EVERY shooting incident as a reason to question the unarmed victim
instead of the target of the investigation...the shooter.

Regardless of any details, job #1 is defending guns.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Are there any articles saying the shooter is white yet? Usually that is the first thing the lefty press will push if they know the person was white.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...g-doorbell-retains-civil-rights-law-rcna79963
Lawyers for Black teen shot after ringing wrong doorbell criticize release of gunman
The attorneys say the shooter is white and should not have been released. The Kansas City police chief says a 24-hour hold is the maximum without charges in a felony case.

I hope that house or neighbors have surveillance video to shed light on how this went down but if the shooter isn't in custody within 48 hours from now on charges I am going to assume the shooter claims it went down differently than that and the cops don't have anything to disprove the claim at that point.

The neighbors are who called the police...

If you listen to the police chief's press conference the reason why the shooter was released was because they need a statement from the victim who currently is preoccupied recovering for being shot in the head

I tend to also believe this could be a shooting from a minority unless other articles have confirmed the person was white. Could be wrong but that is how the left operates usually.

You are wrong

It won't be the first time for you

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Regardless of any details, job #1 is defending guns.

Yeah until someone shoots you or a family member...

 

[Gator Fever]

From CBS..."

"The homeowner -- who has not been identified -- was taken into custody and placed on a 24-hour hold, then released pending further investigation due to the need to obtain a formal statement from the victim and to gather additional forensic evidence, Kansas City Police Chief Stacey Graves said in a news conference Sunday."

The cops haven't even taken a statement from the kid yet that was shot because of his injuries. The homeowner may be in the wrong here but the stories we are getting now are from his lawyers and family members. I wouldn't be shocked to find out the kid thinking it was the right place just walked in through an unlocked door and the homeowner shot him a few times. If its like the press is portraying it the shooter will be arrested soon but if it went down another way like he walked in got shot and the homeowner continued to shoot hitting him the 2nd time as he exited the home the shooter being white might get him charged for something even if he really shouldn't be charged. With how the law is used now the homeowner better hope there is video to show how it went down or other good evidence if it was a justified shooting.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

From CBS..."

"The homeowner -- who has not been identified -- was taken into custody and placed on a 24-hour hold, then released pending further investigation due to the need to obtain a formal statement from the victim and to gather additional forensic evidence, Kansas City Police Chief Stacey Graves said in a news conference Sunday."

The cops haven't even taken a statement from the kid yet that was shot because of his injuries. The homeowner may be in the wrong here but the stories we are getting now are from his lawyers and family members. I wouldn't be shocked to find out the kid thinking it was the right place just walked in through an unlocked door and the homeowner shot him a few times.

Doesn't surprise me that you would think that's possible...

So how did the neighbor see the victim to report it to the police?
How did a teenager with a bullet to the head then end up on the porch?
Why would the kid just enter the house?
Why do believe the house was open?

If its like the press is portraying it the shooter will be arrested soon but if it went down another way like he walked in got shot and the homeowner continued to shoot hitting him the 2nd time as he exited the home the shooter being white might get him charged for something even if he really shouldn't be charged.

Then why would the police even arrest the homeowner at all?
You're presenting a Castle Doctrine defense which would have led to him not being arrested at all

With how the law is used now the homeowner better hope there is video to show how it went down or other good evidence if it was a justified shooting.

How the law is used now?
The police recovered the weapon (listen to the press conference)

If a unarmed kid is laying at your door with a bullet wound to the head and you have the gun used and a bullet hole in the door...Are you saying you shouldn't be the likely suspect?

 

[EvilWayz]

You might be a 2nd ammedment zealot that's your problem...

I'm speaking of those that see EVERY shooting incident as a reason to question the unarmed victim
instead of the target of the investigation...the shooter.

I hold three groups of people to ridiculously high standards when they do irresponsible shit.

Military / LEO, gun owners and pitbull owners.

As I'm all three their dumbassery reflects on me and makes it hard to be these things.

This looks to be irresponsible at first glance.

 

[Gator Fever]

Doesn't surprise me that you would think that's possible...

So how did the neighbor see the victim to report it to the police?
How did a teenager with a bullet to the head then end up on the porch?
Why would the kid just enter the house?
Why do believe the house was open?




Then why would the police even arrest the homeowner at all?
You're presenting a Castle Doctrine defense which would have led to him not being arrested at all



How the law is used now?
The police recovered the weapon (listen to the press conference)

If a unarmed kid is laying at your door with a bullet wound to the head and you have the gun used and a bullet hole in the door...Are you saying you shouldn't be the likely suspect?

Are you kidding? Not sure what the homeowner is claiming as to why he shot him but lefty prosecutors have brought many cases where the person shouldn't have been arrested when it comes to a shooting of a stranger in someone's home and in stand your ground law situations. Many times the charges are only dismissed once a Judge has a hearing on it or an appeals court gets involved.

 

[Gator Fever]

Doesn't surprise me that you would think that's possible...

So how did the neighbor see the victim to report it to the police?
How did a teenager with a bullet to the head then end up on the porch?
Why would the kid just enter the house?
Why do believe the house was open?

Not sure what the homeowner claims but if the kid was able to go to neighboring houses he was definitely capable of making it to the porch area from the house.

Many people have entered houses illegally because they thought they were at a different place.

I am just saying its a possibility. Since the guy was released after 24 hours my guess is that could be his claim or it could be some kind of claim of standing his ground after a confrontation with the kid. I dont know what his claim is at this point but I am pretty sure the cops keep him in custody if his version of events was the same as the lawyers and family members version of events.

 

[EvilWayz]

Regardless of any details, job #1 is defending guns.

Yeah because that's totally what I was doing you lunatic.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

They kept the suspect in jail for only 2 hours...

Are you kidding? Not sure what the homeowner is claiming as to why he shot him but lefty prosecutors have brought many cases where the person shouldn't have been arrested when it comes to a shooting of a stranger in someone's home and in stand you ground law situations.

The arrest of a person claiming a SYG defense is at the discretion of the law enforcement officer in many if not all states. That's why the Arbury killers were allowed to go home.

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/stand-your-ground-laws-and-racial-bias
Stand Your Ground laws and racial bias
June 5, 2013

SYG laws extend the Castle Doctrine—which allows for the use of lethal force in the defense of your home—to public spaces. Some further extend the rights of the shooter by not allowing police to arrest a shooter unless they have probable cause that their claim of self-defense is untrue. These laws, in effect, move determinations of justice from a deliberate process in the courts to a chaotic one at a crime scene. Many are concerned that this will introduce racial bias into the process.

Many times the charges are only dismissed once a Judge has a hearing on it or an appeals court gets involved.

Please refer to the above and then realize they DID arrest the shooter

 

[GatorTheo]

Yeah because that's totally what I was doing you lunatic.

I was speaking of gun nuts in general.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Not sure what the homeowner claims but if the kid was able to go to neighboring houses he was definitely capable of making it to the porch area from the house.

Who claimed the kid was able to go to neighboring houses?

Many people have entered houses illegally because they thought they were at a different place.

And that has been claimed by who...other than yourself?

I am just saying its a possibility. Since the guy was released after 24 hours my guess is that could be his claim or it could be some kind of claim of standing his ground after a confrontation with the kid.

He wasn't kept 24 hours...He was kept in custody for 2 hours

I dont know what his claim is at this point but I am pretty sure the cops keep him in custody if his version of events was the same as the lawyers and family members version of events.

Didn't happen in the Arbery case did it?

 

[Gator Fever]

This happened on Thursday night so if there was any video it will have been collected by now and reviewed by the police and the state attorney at least by today. Also the evidence collected at the home about the shooting should have been initially reviewed by both as of today I would think. I would be really surprised if this guy isn't charged by tomorrow sometime that this is a slam dunk case or the police at least don't have concrete evidence to contradict whatever the shooter is claiming. You would think what the shooter is claiming would have been leaked by now.

Edit: Many places now are saying the police have said the case involves stand your ground law. That points to there being a claimed altercation once the teen came to the home. This is definitely where that homeowner better have his own video or really hope a neighbor has video that shows his front door and yard if he is telling the truth about whatever happened and is claiming he was justified in shooting him.

 

[FresnoGator]

Whether racially motivated or not, the shooter needs to swing for shooting an unarmed kid with no provocation through a door ...

 

[RayGravesGhost]

They kept the suspect in jail for less than 2 hours...

 

[Gator Fever]

Whether racially motivated or not, the shooter needs to swing for shooting an unarmed kid with no provocation through a door ...

I know they use "reports said" but are they reporting that as a fact from the police investigation now? in the multiple versions reported so far one is from a family member who states he “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

 

[FresnoGator]

I know they use "reports said" but are they reporting that as a fact from the police investigation now? in the multiple versions reported so far one is from a family member who states he “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

Horrific tragedy. Hate the shoot first ask questions later sentiment when victim is unarmed ...

 

[Gator Fever]

Horrific tragedy. Hate the shoot first ask questions later sentiment when victim is unarmed ...

I understand that I just wish the police would put more out there on what the guy is claiming happened. I am not a trigger happy person myself and would err on the chance of getting myself hurt in most situations but if its like Florida's stand your ground law there I think a threat of imminent physical violence is enough to justify shooting someone. That is why I am hoping there is video to give this incident some perspective.

 

[FresnoGator]

I understand that I just wish the police would put more out there on what the guy is claiming happened. I am not a trigger happy person myself and would err on the chance of getting myself hurt in most situations but if its like Florida's stand your ground law there I think a threat of imminent physical violence is enough to justify shooting someone. That is why I am hoping there is video to give this incident some perspective.

Not sure we will ever know ...

 

[Gator Fever]

Not sure we will ever know ...

We may not. It sounds like the kid got out of the hospital yesterday so they would have his statement by now. If there is no video or something like that the police will just be able to tell where the shots took place at and if that is true he just shot him through the door after the kid rang the doorbell. If he isn't arrested on charges by tomorrow I lean to a scenario now since they are talking about stand your ground where the guy says he came to the door and they got into a verbal argument that then escalated into that crazy mess.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

I know they use "reports said" but are they reporting that as a fact from the police investigation now? in the multiple versions reported so far one is from a family member who states he “opened the door, looked my nephew in the eye, and shot him in the head”.

Actually this from the lawyer from the family...no report of threat y police, suspect or family