OT: Sounds like we might have our first ISIS attack in the US
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How many people die or suffer before the guns get to a downward trend?
Do you realize how many defensive gun uses happen today? Most of them with hand guns? Any clue at all?
Damn, at one time you came across as thoughtful.
Wow, you haven't the LEAST bit understanding of the foundations of a free society and how the balance of power has to be set on the opposing sides of the contract between governance and governed
If you don't like it, get the phuck out of this country, but don't try to sell that BS here about how the Bill of Rights is crap
Can't. Because, Ph'nglui mglw'nfah Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Bravo!! Semp just smiled in heaven with that reference
No. I was talking about limiting the production of handguns to only military and police usage, but allowing civilians to buy shotguns and hunting rifles.
I was referring to your comment about different states, different laws...you are saying the tough laws in CA are useless due to other states with less restrictive laws, and that is a problem, therefore you favor a federal gun ban?
I favor a federal sales restriction on handguns, limiting sales to military or police. Civilians could still buy shotguns and hunting rifles.
As I said previously, this won't have an immediate effect. But over time (decades) handguns will become increasingly scarce.
At some point, I would support the outlawing of civilian handgun ownership, but I realize that this is politically impossible at the moment.
As I said previously, this won't have an immediate effect. But over time (decades) handguns will become increasingly scarce.
At some point, I would support the outlawing of civilian handgun ownership, but I realize that this is politically impossible at the moment.
OK...so you are ignoring the question...I was challenging you on your statement that laws in one statement are useless due to less strict laws in other states. So in addition to your very strong aversion to personal liberty and the right to self defense, you are also very ill-informed of gun laws.
It will, but only among law-abiding citizens. There are gangs in L.A. that commit crimes with 1911 clones that were hand made by guys in the mountains in the Phillipines. That is just one small example. Now imagine what it would be like with a gun prohibition? The black market would make the our mafias of the past look like hobbies. In the meantime, the citizenry would be sheep for the slaughter, as the bad guys would have little fear of anyone fighting back.
I see home invasions on the news on a regular basis...but I suppose a handful of armed men in my living room would be willing to pause while I retrieve a weapon from the safe.
My neighborhood isn't bad at all, but we did have the son of the man next door arrested for stealing a firearm from a police vehicle in the neighborhood. Guess he should have done a background check.
The fundamental flaw in these arguments from gun control advocates is that they think police serve and "protect"..... They do not.
Police serve, uphold and enforce the law. They can only respond to and incident or to suspicions of an incident to come - they are not guards, nor could we possibly have enough police to guard everyone. If a perp is intent to enact violence and bloodshed, that force must be interdicted as soon as possible to limit bloodshed. Force must be interdicted by opposing force or the credible threat of opposing force..... The quickest way opposing force gets introduced is if citizens had weapons to defend themselves
If California would allow conceal carry at least for government employees of 5 year tenure or more, and for supervisors - at least half of the victims could have been theoretically armed.... Instead of defenseless
Police serve, uphold and enforce the law. They can only respond to and incident or to suspicions of an incident to come - they are not guards, nor could we possibly have enough police to guard everyone. If a perp is intent to enact violence and bloodshed, that force must be interdicted as soon as possible to limit bloodshed. Force must be interdicted by opposing force or the credible threat of opposing force..... The quickest way opposing force gets introduced is if citizens had weapons to defend themselves
If California would allow conceal carry at least for government employees of 5 year tenure or more, and for supervisors - at least half of the victims could have been theoretically armed.... Instead of defenseless
Know what increases gun, pipe bomb, knife, bat, ax violence? Muslim refugees... Flood this country with third world, radical beliefs and the government can mold the shape of a civilization into what it needs it to become. Break down a society and it leads to unrest.
Unrest leads to Marshall law and on and on. Donald Trump scares the Sheet out of politicians, both Democrat and Republican.
If you take handguns away from the people, it will never stop at that point. A generation down the road it will lead to rifes as well because, it will be said then that " it's a outdated law like our Constitution"
Unrest leads to Marshall law and on and on. Donald Trump scares the Sheet out of politicians, both Democrat and Republican.
If you take handguns away from the people, it will never stop at that point. A generation down the road it will lead to rifes as well because, it will be said then that " it's a outdated law like our Constitution"
Our President scolded us a few nights ago, told us we were bad people if think Islam has anything at all to do with the Islamic terror attacks. And he told us we were bad people if tried to hold Islam accountable for this. Then he told us that guns are bad, people who use guns are bad, and we gotta be held accountable for criminal acts we did not do...
"Muslim Americans are our friends and our neighbors, our co-workers, our sports heroes -- and, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that."
He would NEVER say that about Republicans, never say that about tea party members, he would never say that about gun owners, conservatives, pro-lifers, Christians, Fox News, or any other group he disagrees with politically. We should accept Muslims without question, we should take in Muslim refugees without question, but those darn gun owners, we gotta come down on them with the full force of the govt!
"Muslim Americans are our friends and our neighbors, our co-workers, our sports heroes -- and, yes, they are our men and women in uniform who are willing to die in defense of our country. We have to remember that."
He would NEVER say that about Republicans, never say that about tea party members, he would never say that about gun owners, conservatives, pro-lifers, Christians, Fox News, or any other group he disagrees with politically. We should accept Muslims without question, we should take in Muslim refugees without question, but those darn gun owners, we gotta come down on them with the full force of the govt!
How the F*ck am I sposed to defend myself in public with a rifle or a shotgun? Rule 4 of gun safety, do not fire UNTIL YOU ARE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT LIES BEYOND IT.
They don't even have to do that anymore, the cartels will provide them with whatever they need.
And let's not forget our magician friends in the Khyber Pass, who can literally make an AK-47 receiver out of a shovel and hand tools.
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And honestly, with today's technology, it would not be hard at all to stash a CNC machine somewhere and crank out AR-15 parts.
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Your self victimization gets old. Quit whining and grow a pair. No one is coming to take your guns away. You can play pretend Rambo all you want. Zee Germans are coming.
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So you feel the need to walk around the house with a loaded gun because your next door neighbors son once stole a gun and some home invasions have been reported on the news? Makes sense.
Forget it. These people are worried about having to overthrow a repressive government. They can't be reasoned with.
Of course, I am a responsible citizen and business owner. However, for some reason I've never felt the need to defend myself against fake Jehovah Witnesses or The Gubment. Now if I start buying a bunch of assault weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition, as is my right according to the gun nuts, you might want to start asking a few questions
If we're wrong, we got plenty of ammo to play with. If we're right, well your door's getting kicked down before mine is.
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Allowing? WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?????
It's messed up that even a complete progressive liberal like Commiegator gets it but you don't.
For Satan's sake, if you have to ask permission, it's not a RIGHT.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, November 11, 1755
This quote is so important that a slight variation of it is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the Statue of Liberty.
You and Bad are very, very dangerous people.
Why would we ask questions? You just said you were a responsible citizen, and if you could acquire "assault weapons" and large amounts of ammo, presumably you could pass a background check.
That's the difference between you and me. I don't give a loud fart in a hurricane what you are doing with your money as long as it isn't illegal, hurting someone, or causing property damage. You, on the other hand, want to be all up in my gun safe.
It's NOTHING like baseball cards. People don't throw away guns. Nor do guns rot.
Fixed that for ya. Why do you hate the poor and disenfranchised, considering they are more likely to be the victims of violent crime?
Allowing? WHAT PART OF SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?????
It's messed up that even a complete progressive liberal like Commiegator gets it but you don't.
For Satan's sake, if you have to ask permission, it's not a RIGHT.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin, November 11, 1755
This quote is so important that a slight variation of it is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the Statue of Liberty.
You and Bad are very, very dangerous people.
Eventually the govt will trample on them too...even though they so naively think that if they are good little socialists, they will be spared. But they won't.
And this is the truth of the matter.
A ban on the ownership of guns by private citizens doesn't mean guns are eliminated from the possession of all citizens. The elites will still have access to them.
Us private citizens have the ACA (Obamacare). Congress exempted themselves from it.
Private citizens cannot buy or own a fully automatic weapon that was manufactured after 1986 (which means there are only about 150,000 legally owned fully automatic weapons in the US). Police officers can purchase and own fully automatic weapons.
Now, are all police officers bad? No, but far too many of them are. Even more of those that aren't bad are intimidated into silence. People have only become aware of just how many police officers are bad due to the proliferation of cell phone and private surveillance cameras.
Thus, how comfortable are you with the idea that the elites and too many bad police officers will have firearms when private citizens do not have them?
Because as surely as the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West where government is concerned:
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Why a good friend of mine explained it to me in this way, "What good is having power if you can't abuse it."
Baddy hating on me again?
I put the putz on "ignore" a long time ago. He and Instagator are the only two posters on this board on ignore.
Was listening to NPR yesterday as I drove back to Tallahassee and heard this guy talking about how the economy, society and government are one entity. That's why capitalism is broken he said. What is needed to help the little guy and bring about an egalitarian society is even more government regulation than we currently have.
This is the big lie progressives tell. Government and society are the same thing.
Poppycock.
How people cannot figure out that regulation freezes the market and competition helping only the large corporations is beyond me. Small businesses can't endure under a lot of regulation. Trying to deal with the administration of the business relative to the regulation in addition to actually conducting business is too expensive.
Progressives--and Neoconservatives for that matter as they're both Statists--aren't in favor of small businesses no matter what they claim. Big Labor and Big Business are two sides of the same coin. One cannot exist without the other. Big Business doesn't want the competition of Small Business. Big Labor doesn't like Small Business because it can't fund labor unions.
The singular and only reason that Big Business is better than Big Government is Big Government has a gun and can force citizens to do those things that citizens do not want to do. Big Business corrupts Big Government to force Small Business into bankruptcy.
Why people cannot understand that liberty only exists where you have self-determination in the marketplace is beyond me.
Actually, that's not accurate. I think many people do understand that. They just don't care. They much rather would have a Nanny State take care of them than be responsible for their own lives. They only believe that, of course, because they've yet to really experience the full gamut of slavery.
Not you, frankly. But since it's difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys until after the fact, I'd rather err on the side of caution. There is no justification for those terrorists to be able to acquire the arsonel they did. My beef is with the gun nuts who try to stop any additional reasonable restrictions on the ability to acquire such.
All the better. Now I get to rip you and you don't even get a chance to defend yourself.
The big govt gives them just enough to keep them content.
The bigger the govt, the smaller the citizen...but like you said, most people do not care. But to make it worse, those do not care, actually attack those who do care, all the while they are losing liberty.
The bigger the govt, the smaller the citizen...but like you said, most people do not care. But to make it worse, those do not care, actually attack those who do care, all the while they are losing liberty.
More drivel. We are one of the freest countries on earth, if not the freest. Just because you're afraid of your own shadow, don't criticize those who aren't. Just enjoy being able to walk around your house with your loaded AK at the ready.
People - you are debating with someone who said (in THIS thread) "You never said my solution had to be constitutional."
Remember: Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him.
Remember: Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like him.
