OT: SEC Co-Defensive Player of the Year announces he is gay
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The problem with owning child pornography is that it supports an industry that physically and emotionally abuses small children. So, yes, he supported the abuse of small children.
Regarding whether he was born with it or did he develop hit, I have no idea. I'm certain that he didn't /choose/ to be attracted to small children. I honestly feel bad for people attracted to people things that cannot consent, so long as they don't act on those attractions. That seems like it would be awful.
I don't disapprove of people for being attracted to children. They have no control over that. I disapprove of them for acting on that attraction.
If you're not bi, then how can you choose to be attracted to men whenever you want?
I'm straight and could never be attracted to men. If you have the capability to be attracted men or women. You are, by definition, bisexual.
Congrats! We appreciate you coming out here. Know that this is a safe place... except for that one guy that wants to hang you.
Yes, my exact response as well. That might as well be a pic of my face when I read it ...Originally posted by Faweez:
Think what you'd like fuzzy, you like to try to get under skin, I'm fine with that. The military exposed me to all walks of life, even your kind. Point is like you said in another post in this thread, it is acting on any thought that enters ones mind. You said you weren't against people attracted to children, only if they act on the attraction. Would you feel safe with them around your kids even if they haven't acted on the attraction before?
"My kind"? I really think we might have figured out the issue. Seriously.
You're capable of being attracted to both men and women. We have established that. The assumption you're making is that you have 'decided' to be straight. But that's not really what happened. You decided to perform sexual acts only with women. This is different from being straight.
Consider this, a pedophile may choose to only have sex with adults. That person is still a pedophile.
You are bisexual. You have chosen to only have sex with woman. For this reason you define yourself as straight. Now, since you can choose to be attracted to men, and since you consider yourself straight, you assume that sexual attraction is a choice. The issue is that you don't seem to understand what it means to be straight.
Take me, for example. No matter how hard I could ever try, I could never choose to be gay. This is what it means to be completely straight.
You're bisexual. There's no reason to be afraid of it. It doesn't mean you have to have sex with men, but it does mean you shouldn't assume that you can speak to whether other people can choose their attractions.
Guys, we've solved it. We can all go home.
I'm afraid that perhaps I have not made it clear.
The ability to be attracted to both men and women makes a person bisexual.
The decision to sleep with exclusively women or exclusively men doesn't affect to whom you are attracted.
Sexuality is more of a gradient than an either/or. I happen to be very far on the straight side. I simply can't be attracted to women. There are people far to the other side. They simply can't be attracted to people of the other sex. You appear (based on your own words, and I take you at your word) to be bisexual, that is to say somewhere in the middle. I think this has caused some confusion for you.
Please let me know if this is in any way unclear.
I've always felt some of the dumbest counter arguments come from this debate. "What if they liked children?" Well that's not consensual. I also don't understand how opposite sides of this argument completely twist each others points.
I think this whole thing goes to a few key points:
1) Doctors have proven that some gay people are predisposed to liking same sex partners. It's a fact. Some gay people are impacted by their environment and not in just molestation. I have a good friend who grew up with three sisters and his mom. His environment impacted his sexual preference. He is gay.
2) it's not a choice to be attracted to the same sex but it is a choice whether to act on that desire. That is the choice standpoint.
Why would we as society force people to hide something like this?
I have my opinions on this from a religious standpoint and I think God has bigger issues to worry about. I'm also tired of our politicians wasting time and money on this issue. Let them get married and be done with it. If a private institution like a church doesn't want to marry them then that is their choice.
I think this whole thing goes to a few key points:
1) Doctors have proven that some gay people are predisposed to liking same sex partners. It's a fact. Some gay people are impacted by their environment and not in just molestation. I have a good friend who grew up with three sisters and his mom. His environment impacted his sexual preference. He is gay.
2) it's not a choice to be attracted to the same sex but it is a choice whether to act on that desire. That is the choice standpoint.
Why would we as society force people to hide something like this?
I have my opinions on this from a religious standpoint and I think God has bigger issues to worry about. I'm also tired of our politicians wasting time and money on this issue. Let them get married and be done with it. If a private institution like a church doesn't want to marry them then that is their choice.
SG, good one.
Faweez,, I think you may have misunderstood me and in a forum like this I guess that is possible. I am straight and always have been and yes, I act upon that attraction to women and I chose to do that. I should also clarify I chose to act on that attraction with my wife! Lol. Anyway, this has run a course and like I said people can do as they want that is life, whether someone likes it or not. No hate, just differences in belief. If we can't agree to that, not much else to say.
Oh and Go Gators!
This post was edited on 2/10 10:00 PM by tbbuc99
Faweez,, I think you may have misunderstood me and in a forum like this I guess that is possible. I am straight and always have been and yes, I act upon that attraction to women and I chose to do that. I should also clarify I chose to act on that attraction with my wife! Lol. Anyway, this has run a course and like I said people can do as they want that is life, whether someone likes it or not. No hate, just differences in belief. If we can't agree to that, not much else to say.
Oh and Go Gators!
This post was edited on 2/10 10:00 PM by tbbuc99
Then why did you say you could you choose to be gay? If you're straight, then how can you choose to be attracted to men? I simply can't understand that. Either you can choose to be attracted to men, and therefore are either gay or somewhere on the bisexual spectrum. Or you can't and you're straight. I don't understand how there are other options?
I wasn't talking about me dude, did you look up the guy I mentioned. Numerous people who identified as gay have chosen to live straight and stay living straight. It leads me to believe it is a choice, that was my point. The one guys name I posted is Michael Glatze and the reason I listed him is because he was a leader in the gay movement. Look him up, it is interesting.
Just because you're fine with people coming out as "GAY" always being put on a pedestal like they're a hero or something doesn't mean I have to.Originally posted by misterburns:
classy, well thought out postOriginally posted by gator285:
Blehhhhhhhh
Because everything you do is a choice, every action is a choice. Why would people do hard drugs that can kill them? It's a choice. It is my belief that a homosexual person chooses to continue to live that way. I won't preach to them and I don't judge them, that is Gods place. I just disagree with same sex relations. If it were natural, procreation would be the result. Again, I hope Sam and any other homosexuals have a successful career in whatever field they chose to pursue and not in a hostile environment. If you still want to try and convince yourself of my sexual orientation being other than straight have at it, the horse is beaten to death!
What (whom?) you do may be a choice, but that doesn't mean your feelings are a choice. That doesn't mean your attraction is a choice.
It is natural. Gay sex happens in nature across many species all the time. That is THE definition of natural.
If you claim to have the choice to be straight (as you have), then you claim to have the choice to NOT be straight. It's no choice if there is no alternative. If you can choose to be something that isn't straight, then you claim to be able to be attracted to men.
Here are the possibilities::
1. You told the truth and can be attracted to men. You are therefore either gay or bisexual.
2. You lied about having a real choice for yourself regarding being straight.
I am not trying to convince myself of anything. I am simply trying to make sense of the things you have stated. Thus far, they are internally contradictory.
Faweez,
I agree with a lot of what you have said but are taking it a step too far.
Are some people predisposed to be attracted to the same sex? Sure. The decision is whether to act in that desire. Or better yet not act on that desire because the act is deemed socially unacceptable. The decision isn't the feelings but rather the act on those feelings.
I agree with a lot of what you have said but are taking it a step too far.
Are some people predisposed to be attracted to the same sex? Sure. The decision is whether to act in that desire. Or better yet not act on that desire because the act is deemed socially unacceptable. The decision isn't the feelings but rather the act on those feelings.
