Ok...so we put up 467 yards of offense and should be happy...

[sadgator]

but it still feels remarkably unsatisfying for some reason...

Nice to see the Oline asserting itself and the running game taking off (Davis really is the most electric back we have had around here in like forever), but it just driving sadgator insane how identical we look to how we looked under Muschamp...offensively, of course, since the secondary got lit up yesterday. Even with the youth and the injuries, doesn't it seem like we should be going downfield more and/or opening up the field more?

Now with Del Rio and Cleveland out, sadgator guesses we are just going to have to pretend we are Nebraska circa mid 90's and hope that we just grind teams into submission...it is pretty clear that that is what we are...

We should all start wearing these...

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

I feel that way a but am hopeful that Franks will be able to make strides...glass half full!

 

[Gator Fever]

I will take it. The running game seems to have really come around.

 

[bradleygator]

I think this is how Mac wants to play. It's his offense from 'Bama. I'm skeptical he'll be able to beat the real teams on our schedule playing this way, but give him credit for making his game plan happen yesterday. At least you could watch that game and figure out what we're trying to do.

 

[LizardGrad89]

but it still feels remarkably unsatisfying for some reason...

Nice to see the Oline asserting itself and the running game taking off (Davis really is the most electric back we have had around here in like forever), but it just driving sadgator insane how identical we look to how we looked under Muschamp...offensively, of course, since the secondary got lit up yesterday. Even with the youth and the injuries, doesn't it seem like we should be going downfield more and/or opening up the field more?

Now with Del Rio and Cleveland out, sadgator guesses we are just going to have to pretend we are Nebraska circa mid 90's and hope that we just grind teams into submission...it is pretty clear that that is what we are...

We should all start wearing these...

Del Rio? Never had less concern over losing a starting QB. After all, this is the guy none of us wanted to see out there any more anyway. Yes, I hate that he's hurt, sucks for a good guy like him, but I saw him being the experienced backup who carries a clipboard and helps teach the young starter how to play, and he will still be able to do that. But we need to find a backup. Teams will target Franks if they think knocking him out paralyzes us.

Yes, we have trouble brewing in the passing game if Cleveland is out, but we already did. Think about what our offense would look like if we had Callaway on one side and Cleveland on the other with Toney in the slot. Now two of those guys are out, and Brandon Powell is hurt. How can we expect a green QB to do much with his top two targets out?

Massey, Hammond and Swain are going to get an opportunity, they need to capitalize on it.

 

[GatorTheo]

Offense is inching in the right direction. Defense is inching in the wrong direction.

I still don't think Coach McElwain will be able to take us where I would like to be (competing at a top 10 level most years).

I do think this team shows heart and that's a very positive reflection on him.

Georgia is going to be 7-0 and full of themselves at the cocktail party. I think that's a nice set up for a reasonably talented team with heart.

 

[kellylexy]

I think this is how Mac wants to play. It's his offense from 'Bama. I'm skeptical he'll be able to beat the real teams on our schedule playing this way, but give him credit for making his game plan happen yesterday. At least you could watch that game and figure out what we're trying to do.

Who are the "real teams on this schedule"? Right now, the toughest test looks to be uga. Every other squad is reeling or, at best, struggling. LSU, FSU, aTm, USCe, Mizzzou are all mediocre at best. aTm has a nice record, but it is clear they are doing it with some lucky bounces. I have Mac penciled in as COY in the SEC and possibly the country if he keeps this up. I see Mac with one loss after the FSU game. Problem is, UGA could have zero or one loss and win the SECe if they beat UF head to head. UGA has certainly struggled against UF over the past few decades despite having some better squads so I would not be shocked to see Mac win another tight one against them.

 

[TennesseeGator]

I can handle the criticism of the coaches.

The players though. They are playing their tails off despite all else. Like you mentioned, we have an electric RB. We have a good #2 back that can come through when needed and seems to handle his #2 role just fine. We have some WR's that look like WR's. QB is just something that has to be developed. It just is. Can it be? Not sure. With LDR out, it's time to get what you can get out of Trask/Allen in practice. Going with Zaire as #2 just doesn't get us anywhere better. It just don't.

Fingers crossed the OL is finally showing up.

I see many on here downing Garcia.

Isn't he a walkon who earned a ship? Be down on the coaches for not developing and recruiting more LBers. Or be mad at the injury bug...not the kid(s).

 

[Michi_Gator]

I think this is how Mac wants to play. It's his offense from 'Bama. I'm skeptical he'll be able to beat the real teams on our schedule playing this way, but give him credit for making his game plan happen yesterday. At least you could watch that game and figure out what we're trying to do.

This is exactly what Mac wants to be. Not sure why anyone ever doubted that. A complex, vertical passing game was never going to be the thing. Problem is can we win with this offense against good teams given our lack of defense?

 

[sadgator]

Massey, Hammond and Swain are going to get an opportunity, they need to capitalize on it.

sadgator loves the way Swain has found the ball and played the past two games. Perhaps he is emerging. He is doing stuff not in the box score.

One thing is for certain...for as little as we have thrown the ball downfield this season, the receiving corps has been money for us. Those dudes come to play and bust their asses every week. Love that unit as a whole.

 

[MJWilliamson]

One thing is for certain...for as little as we have thrown the ball downfield this season, the receiving corps has been money for us. Those dudes come to play and bust their asses every week. Love that unit as a whole.

Ten different players caught a pass last night. Four had multiple passes. That is spreading the ball around

 

[PacoGator19]

The offense actually won us the game yesterday.

 

[gatorbuilderorlando]

^^
Correct - the offense came through for once so I'm happy about that. I'm also happy that the running game did it...not just a hail mary.

 

[Michi_Gator]

^^
Correct - the offense came through for once so I'm happy about that. I'm also happy that the running game did it...not just a hail mary.

If there is something for me to get excited about, for the first time under Mac it looked like we were playing with superior athletes. October will tell us a lot

 

[instaGATOR]

This is sounding like an 'Echo Chamber' to me....

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

I'm a little confused that people are wondering if we can win with this offense being that Shannon's defense is atrocious?

Well that's precisely why this is the best offense to run when your defense is undersized and not very deep. The more time we eat off the clock, the more rest our defense gets and more importantly; the less the opponent is on the field. With the suspensions and injuries we are now officially a run first, pass second team. (And yes, I would agree that's probably what Mac prefers anyway.) I'm ecstatic that Franks is back under center, but he still struggles with his progressions. It will take time for him to relax and see the whole field, but it will happen sooner rather than later imo. He's also far more mobile than he's giving credit for, and doesn't have to throw off his back foot when the pocket collapse like the much shorter LDR does.

Unfortunately our defense was overrated and we simply can't afford to get into shootouts with teams like Uga and Txm. We have 3 backs that compliment each other very well, also an Oline that is light years better at run blocking than pass protection. It would be absolutely moronic for the coaching staff not to utilize a game plan that's ideal for what the players can execute consistently.

 

[instaGATOR]

Betting the house on glass-jaw LDR and nuttless xfer Zaire was the coaching staffs biggest mistake for the 2017 season,,,, IMOHO anyway.

Getting Trask and Allen up to speed is now more important and necessary that it was to begin the season. Maybe the granite headed coach(s) will now do what they should have been doing all along? (iG crosses fingers)

And if Franks should show more signs of struggling, then don't be stupid about it,,,, use one of both of those other young guys. Otherwise, why the hell are they sucking up roster space with a high dollar ship???

 

[bradleygator]

Who are the "real teams on this schedule"?

UGA and potentially 'Bama. FSU would be with a quarterback. Even without one, I think we're a coin flip to beat them.

 

[bradleygator]

I'm a little confused that people are wondering if we can win with this offense being that Shannon's defense is atrocious?

Well that's precisely why this is the best offense to run when your defense is undersized and not very deep. The more time we eat off the clock, the more rest our defense gets and more importantly; the less the opponent is on the field. With the suspensions and injuries we are now officially a run first, pass second team. (And yes, I would agree that's probably what Mac prefers anyway.) I'm ecstatic that Franks is back under center, but he still struggles with his progressions. It will take time for him to relax and see the whole field, but it will happen sooner rather than later imo. He's also far more mobile than he's giving credit for, and doesn't have to throw off his back foot when the pocket collapse like the much shorter LDR does.

Unfortunately our defense was overrated and we simply can't afford to get into shootouts with teams like Uga and Txm. We have 3 backs that compliment each other very well, also an Oline that is light years better at run blocking than pass protection. It would be absolutely moronic for the coaching staff not to utilize a game plan that's ideal for what the players can execute consistently.

I agree with all this, but I'm skeptical we're going to be able to run the ball against good defenses, and that's going to leave us with a bunch of three and outs and a defense that gets stampeded. I'm not saying we should do anything different. Like I said, this is how Mac wants to play. I don't expect him to do anything different. But if he wants to beat the "real" teams, playing this way, his running game and defense are going to have to show up for those games.

 

[bradleygator]

Also, if he's going to play like 'Bama, the team needs to be a lot more disciplined. You can't put 12 guys on the field coming out of a timeout, have multiple snap count screw ups and blow up plays because you can't get the snap to the quarterback. You don't have enough margin for error to be sloppy like that. Some of that was probably because they switched quarterbacks, but Franks opened the season as the starting qb.

 

[Michi_Gator]

Also, if he's going to play like 'Bama, the team needs to be a lot more disciplined. You can't put 12 guys on the field coming out of a timeout, have multiple snap count screw ups and blow up plays because you can't get the snap to the quarterback. You don't have enough margin for error to be sloppy like that. Some of that was probably because they switched quarterbacks, but Franks opened the season as the starting qb.

Yes, playing like Bama requires discupline and elite D. Bama-style leaves little wiggle room

 

[bradleygator]

Yes, playing like Bama requires discupline and elite D. Bama-style leaves little wiggle room

This is why I was rolling my eyes at Mac making such a scene about Davis scoring that TD (to give me the cover!) instead of downing it. How about you get the right number of players on the field, coach, and straighten out how and when to snap the ball, and then we'll worry about our backs scoring 50 yard tds instead of playing the clock.

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

"Yes, playing like Bama requires discupline and elite D. Bama-style leaves little wiggle room"

Unfortunately we possess neither of the two right now. I do think our discipline may improve, but not much hope for an "elite D" as long as Shannon is in charge though. imo

 

[instaGATOR]

"Yes, not much hope for an "elite D" as long as Shannon is in charge though. imo

Yeah.... Shannon has a long history of total coaching imcompetence alright,,, and here's the proof for it.

http://floridagators.com/coaches.aspx?rc=654&path=football

PS - He only has a measly 3 NC's as both a player and as a coach...

 

[Dannygator1989]

Yeah.... Shannon has a long history of total coaching imcompetence alright,,, and here's the proof for it.

http://floridagators.com/coaches.aspx?rc=654&path=football

PS - He only has a measly 3 NC's as both a player and as a coach...

Yeah and we all know that offense hasn’t changed drastically in the last 30 years, and definitely not the last 10 years since he had play calling duties.

 

[gatorRAD]

I'm a little confused that people are wondering if we can win with this offense being that Shannon's defense is atrocious?
/QUOTE]
Actually thought the defense did a great job the second half until they took their foot off the gas late in the 4th. Maybe we'll get our first complete game against Georgia with a 41-17 throttling to propel us to our 3rd Championship game..

 

[46885]

Shannon flat out sucked yesterday, and Oozie reservations about that even though I thought he was ok the UT game and more aggressive, came to pass.. Yesterday from Randy was flat out, inexcusable.. He was miserable for us yesterday and putting the kids in shit shape to win on that side of the ball. That can't continue or we are gonna lose at the very least 3 more games because we ain't putting up 30 plus on the better opponents coming up on the schedule the rest of the year...

 

[46885]

I think this is how Mac wants to play. It's his offense from 'Bama. I'm skeptical he'll be able to beat the real teams on our schedule playing this way, but give him credit for making his game plan happen yesterday. At least you could watch that game and figure out what we're trying to do.

It won't work against UGA or Bama's type defenses..

Del Rio? Never had less concern over losing a starting QB. After all, this is the guy none of us wanted to see out there any more anyway. Yes, I hate that he's hurt, sucks for a good guy like him, but I saw him being the experienced backup who carries a clipboard and helps teach the young starter how to play, and he will still be able to do that. But we need to find a backup. Teams will target Franks if they think knocking him out paralyzes us.

Yes, we have trouble brewing in the passing game if Cleveland is out, but we already did. Think about what our offense would look like if we had Callaway on one side and Cleveland on the other with Toney in the slot. Now two of those guys are out, and Brandon Powell is hurt. How can we expect a green QB to do much with his top two targets out?

Massey, Hammond and Swain are going to get an opportunity, they need to capitalize on it.

This is why i've been begging to find out just exactly where the hell Massey, Goolsby and our Frosh Green have been in the passing game? They were doing well in camp and then we have heard nothing from basically all of them... Nada, we've somehow been using Moral Stephens more than Goolsby on his same routes he's usually open as hell on wide down the field with the double moves/pump from the QB and wheel routes...

Ten different players caught a pass last night. Four had multiple passes. That is spreading the ball around

Moral Stephens has actually been a bit of a bright spot the last two home games, his blocking has opened him up in the passing game as a basic decoy and it worked the last two home games... But we HAVE to start looking for Goolsby more, he's too good, again not to have at LEAST 3-4 targets a game or even force it too him if we are down powell or Tyrie at all in any way or form going forward soon..

Also, if he's going to play like 'Bama, the team needs to be a lot more disciplined. You can't put 12 guys on the field coming out of a timeout, have multiple snap count screw ups and blow up plays because you can't get the snap to the quarterback. You don't have enough margin for error to be sloppy like that. Some of that was probably because they switched quarterbacks, but Franks opened the season as the starting qb.

I thought Mac was actually telling our assistant on the Sideline that's how we should run it on 4th and shorts, silly me.. all he was ACTUALLY doing.. Was bitching that we scored an actual TD to put the game away and put up almost 40 and cover the spread.. How dare the kids natural instincts be to win the game and score a TD for us right? Because Malik is a natural nose for the goal line and a TD creator of men...

When we can't run the ball against UGA or bama if we played them, maybe even next week we are gonna be forced to sling it around and leave the defense to make stops to keep it from getting ugly, we just can't do it with our coaching if the running game is stuffed and we continue to run the ball on oh.. EVERY 2nd down no matter how far or after a failed first down attempt passing for zero yards that leaves us in obvious 2nd and longs at least 10 over and over again.. Those good teams know when we will be running it and stuff it up, like they have over the past two years.. We seriously gotta do what we did on the TD drive where we took the lead for good yesterday and Franks ran a few PA's that set up the TD with Stephens and they jumped the run first...

 

[oozie7]

Shannon flat out sucked yesterday, and Oozie reservations about that even though I thought he was ok the UT game and more aggressive, came to pass.. Yesterday from Randy was flat out, inexcusable.. He was miserable for us yesterday and putting the kids in shit shape to win on that side of the ball. That can't continue or we are gonna lose at the very least 3 more games because we ain't putting up 30 plus on the better opponents coming up on the schedule the rest of the year...

Well I didn't watch but lemme guess...base 4-3 with soft zone shells behind it? LB's flexed out on slot receivers? Rarely rushing more than 4?

 

[ocalaman]

Well I didn't watch but lemme guess...base 4-3 with soft zone shells behind it? LB's flexed out on slot receivers? Rarely rushing more than 4?

Our linebackers are terrible, but the defense never seemed to change up their scheme the entire game. Very vanilla from what I saw. Losing Harris really hurt. The secondary, though talented, is young. The talent level on defense, overall, hasn't dropped off that much from last year, but the results have slipped a lot. That equates to poor coaching, IMO.

 

[PacoGator19]

Our linebackers are terrible, but the defense never seemed to change up their scheme the entire game. Very vanilla from what I saw. Losing Harris really hurt. The secondary, though talented, is young. The talent level on defense, overall, hasn't dropped off that much from last year, but the results have slipped a lot. That equates to poor coaching, IMO.

Huh? I would say the talent level has dropped off a good amount on the defensive side of the ball. No Caleb Brantley, Joey Ivie, Cox Jr, Jarad Davis, Alex Anzalone, Quincy Wilson, Marcus Maye, Marcell Harris, Teez Tabor. It's a combination of poor coaching and less talent.

 

[instaGATOR]

The starting QB lost for the season, for the 3rd season in a row.
The offense averaged 11 pts game in the previous 2 meeting with VU.
UF ran for 200+ and passed for 200+ while scoring 38 Pts.
Obviously, even with injuries, the offense never improves...

The Gator D doesn't suck like some are now claiming, they just had a Hit or Miss game against VU, but it was their best game against VU in the last 3 seasons.

VU Rushing = 46 yards. (Webb 11 for 29 yds, 2.6 ypc)
~ This was the 1st time that VU's all-time rusher (Webb) was held to under 100 yds by UF.
VU Passing = 19 of 40 47.5% <<<

The problem was that those 19 receptions were a lot on 3rd downs, and/or they picked up a lot of yards. Several of them were incredible pin-point passes, thrown and completed in between solid double or triple coverage's.
..IT Happens....

And yes, further proof that NOBODY suffers a win like Gator fans...

 

[46885]

Once we went to a 5-2 front in the 2nd half and they tried to run it more it was stopped, and they only scored 1 TD to our 24-7 oustcoring of them before the half on.. The fronts in the 2nd half shut down the run, but the DB's just watched them make plays throwing the ball all game..

And yes Vosean was lined up out wide with the slot guy and just watched him run inside of him wide open multiple times.. The defensive coaching in the game was by far the most obvious weakness of the team.

 

[Gator Fever]

The starting QB lost for the season, for the 3rd season in a row.
The offense averaged 11 pts game in the previous 2 meeting with VU.
UF ran for 200+ and passed for 200+ while scoring 38 Pts.
Obviously, even with injuries, the offense never improves...

The Gator D doesn't suck like some are now claiming, they just had a Hit or Miss game against VU, but it was their best game against VU in the last 3 seasons.

VU Rushing = 46 yards. (Webb 11 for 29 yds, 2.6 ypc)
~ This was the 1st time that VU's all-time rusher (Webb) was held to under 100 yds by UF.
VU Passing = 19 of 40 47.5% <<<

The problem was that those 19 receptions were a lot on 3rd downs, and/or they picked up a lot of yards. Several of them were incredible pin-point passes, thrown and completed in between solid double or triple coverage's.
..IT Happens....

And yes, further proof that NOBODY suffers a win like Gator fans...

Franks was the season starter and for 3 of 4 games - that can't be used as an excuse for Mac unless Franks was to go down also.

 

[instaGATOR]

Franks was the season starter and for 3 of 4 games - that can't be used as an excuse for Mac unless Franks was to go down also.

Gawds but you are forever tiresome...

 

[Dannygator1989]

Gawds but you are forever tiresome...

You do realize he’s correct.

You’re just using a technicality.

And you of all people calling anyone “tiresome.”

 

[fsu939913]

but it still feels remarkably unsatisfying for some reason...

Nice to see the Oline asserting itself and the running game taking off (Davis really is the most electric back we have had around here in like forever), but it just driving sadgator insane how identical we look to how we looked under Muschamp...offensively, of course, since the secondary got lit up yesterday. Even with the youth and the injuries, doesn't it seem like we should be going downfield more and/or opening up the field more?

Now with Del Rio and Cleveland out, sadgator guesses we are just going to have to pretend we are Nebraska circa mid 90's and hope that we just grind teams into submission...it is pretty clear that that is what we are...

We should all start wearing these...

Rewatch any of the 3 fsu games..... U will be happy. We blow without Francois

 

[oozie7]

You do realize he’s correct.

You’re just using a technicality.

And you of all people calling anyone “tiresome.”

Just more #fakenews from the resident alien, what's new. I think he hopes the word salads he puts out keeps people from checking the accuracy of em.

 

[instaGATOR]

I often see 'ignored' posts following my posts.
They seem to enjoy having their hands in each other's pockets, after patting each other on their backs for their obvious genius commentary. Self-declared winners (more likely wieners), one and all....
============

2017 Gator TE's:

82. TE/WR Moral Stephens 6-4 251 rsJr - Perry, FL
3 for 55 yds, 18.33 yds/rec, L-29 yds

30. TE DeAndre Goolsby 6-4 239 Sr - Derby, KA
3 for 43 yds, 14.33 yds/rec, L-25 yds

80. TE C'yontai Lewis 6-4 235 rsJr - Eutaw, AL
4 for 21 yds, 5.25 yds/rec, L-14 yds

So the obvious starter for the LSU depth chart is,,,,, Lewis

But hey, since I've been posting about Nord and the TE's (mostly about not using TE/WR Stephens), at least they did put him in for VU,,, and look at the results. (stupid me)

 

[Dannygator1989]

Insta, you’re such a homo.