NSD and Beyond....

[instaGATOR]

Where does UF stand after McElwain's first 2 seasons?
#2 in the SEC in total wins with 19 (20 without the Hurricane).
#2 in SEC total wins with 13, and as B-2-B SECe Champions.
Coming off an Outback Bowl whoopin' UF 30 - 3 Iowa, (Iowa beat Mich).

So now what's the plan going into McElwain's 3rd season?
They have 7 months to prepare for some pay-back, by sticking it to the meat-chickens.
Plus they took back the SWAMP, going undefeated at home in 2016, repeat in 2017?
They are B-2-B SECe-C's, so a 3-Peat is on the agenda, with a better outcome in Hotlanta.

The media-morons, (along with a few of the idiot dweebs here) have picked UF #5 SECe in 2015, and #3 SECe in 2016. They will again likely pick either UGly or Tennis-sea to be the SECe-C in 2017. Let's look forward to the Gator's mightily disappointing them again, shall we?

Spring Practice will begin for the 5 new EE's on Feb. 28th.
With the 2017 Spring game set for Friday night April 7th, (admission free).

Florida's Pro Day at the IPF is on March 28th, but is closed to the public.
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Filling the top position needs on defense in the 2017 class:

Secondary - 4 in the class, would likely take one more.
(Wilson-Stewart-Davis-Stiner)

Linebacker - 3 in the class, would likely take one more.
(Houston EE - Miller-Smith)

#3 DE - 1 -- (Carter, could take one more, but not needed)

DT - 1 EE, need 2 more in the class, would likely take a 4th.
(Campbell EE - ??? Tomorrow we find out how DT depth goes)


Five (5) Early Enrollee's:
DT Campbell - OLB Houston - Ath Toney - TE Gamble - OT Telfort
~ DB Davis missed EE due to not quite meeting the academic requirements. He is now working hard to be able to arrive in May.
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Offense:
QB Allen - maybe Ath Toney?
WR Green - maybe Ath Toney?
RB M.Davis - Maybe Lemons (academics?)
TE Gamble EE - Byrd
OL Telfort EE - Moore
Others might be added starting on NSD, but the offense is pretty good as is.

UF has 24 open ships as of NSD, with 1-2 more likely to open before Sept due to attrition and/or xfers.

 

[Michi-Gator]

Where does UF stand after McElwain's first 2 seasons?
#2 in the SEC in total wins with 19 (20 without the Hurricane).
#2 in SEC total wins with 13, and as B-2-B SECe Champions.
Coming off an Outback Bowl whoopin' UF 30 - 3 Iowa, (Iowa beat Mich).

So now what's the plan going into McElwain's 3rd season?
They have 7 months to prepare for some pay-back, by sticking it to the meat-chickens.
Plus they took back the SWAMP, going undefeated at home in 2016, repeat in 2017?
They are B-2-B SECe-C's, so a 3-Peat is on the agenda, with a better outcome in Hotlanta.

The media-morons, (along with a few of the idiot dweebs here) have picked UF #5 SECe in 2015, and #3 SECe in 2016. They will again likely pick either UGly or Tennis-sea to be the SECe-C in 2017. Let's look forward to the Gator's mightily disappointing them again, shall we?

Spring Practice will begin for the 5 new EE's on Feb. 28th.
With the 2017 Spring game set for Friday night April 7th, (admission free).

Florida's Pro Day at the IPF is on March 28th, but is closed to the public.
==========


Filling the top position needs on defense in the 2017 class:

Secondary - 4 in the class, would likely take one more.
(Wilson-Stewart-Davis-Stiner)

Linebacker - 3 in the class, would likely take one more.
(Houston EE - Miller-Smith)

#3 DE - 1 -- (Carter, could take one more, but not needed)

DT - 1 EE, need 2 more in the class, would likely take a 4th.
(Campbell EE - ??? Tomorrow we find out how DT depth goes)


Five (5) Early Enrollee's:
DT Campbell - OLB Houston - Ath Toney - TE Gamble - OT Telfort
~ DB Davis missed EE due to not quite meeting the academic requirements. He is now working hard to be able to arrive in May.
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Offense:
QB Allen - maybe Ath Toney?
WR Green - maybe Ath Toney?
RB M.Davis - Maybe Lemons (academics?)
TE Gamble EE - Byrd
OL Telfort EE - Moore
Others might be added starting on NSD, but the offense is pretty good as is.

UF has 24 open ships as of NSD, with 1-2 more likely to open before Sept due to attrition and/or xfers.

Byrd is out of this class FYI

 

[instaGATOR]

Thanks for the info. Why? Any reason given?

But whatever, I though that they were a bit loaded with quality and depth in 2017 at TE.

Goolsby Sr- Lewis rsJr - Stephens rsJr - Knight Jr - Gamble Fr EE
+ 2 WO's - Fallace rsJr and Ferguson rsJr

I wish that they had played Stephens at WR in place of Fulwood last season....

 

[Michi-Gator]

Thanks for the info. Why? Any reason given?

But whatever, I though that they were a bit loaded with quality and depth in 2017 at TE.

Goolsby Sr- Lewis rsJr - Stephens rsJr - Knight Jr - Gamble Fr EE
+ 2 WO's - Fallace rsJr and Ferguson rsJr

I wish that they had played Stephens at WR in place of Fulwood last season....

Sounds like it might be a qualifying issue.

 

[instaGATOR]

Oh, usually a few with that kind of problem.
DB Davis missed EE for a lack of hours I think.
And RB Lemons doesn't have a qualifying ACT yet if I remember correctly.
Any others?

 

[Michi-Gator]

Oh, usually a few with that kind of problem.
DB Davis missed EE for a lack of hours I think.
And RB Lemons doesn't have a qualifying ACT yet if I remember correctly.
Any others?

I know we backed off the Gady brothers for this reason. If we land Conliffe at 3:30 today they appear to be a non-issue anyway.

Some rumors of Slaton being a possible issue here but nothing confirmed.

And I agree, Byrd is not at a position of high need, especially with Gamble already on campus as an EE

 

[Gator Fever]

The main problem if we don't finish good is we will have just DE sized guys mostly and not enough big heavy guys for the middle.

 

[instaGATOR]

The Virginia native DT Elijah Conliffe committed to the Gators on Tuesday before NSD.
The 6-4, 305 Conliffe rates as the nation’s #19 DT prospect and the #12 overall prospect from Virginia. He chose the Gators over offers from Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, Louisville, Miami, Penn State, Oklahoma, Oregon, among others.
The site that I looked at had him as the C-10 Defensive PoY.
Anyone know what the C-10 is about???

But wait, I thought that Mc can't recruit a lick and that he only gets the ones that nobody else wanted....

ESPN 4 Star Rated Recruits (12)
#3 TE-H Gamble
#10 TE-Y Byrd
#12 DE Carter
#13 CB Stewart
#16 QB-PP Allen
#18 WR Green
#22 CB Wilson
#23 CB S.Davis
#25 Ath Toney
#31 OT Telfort
#33 OT Moore
#35 DT Campbell (2016 Prep)

ESPN 3 Star Rated
#37 OLB Houston IV
#42 OLB Miller
#54 DT Conliffe (rivals #17 ****) (247 #19 DT ****)
#60 OLB Smith
#75 RB M.Davis (rival #16 RB ****)
#74 S Stiner
I think that ESPN missed the boat on Conliffe and especially on Davis.

IMOHO, there is only one critical position for the Gators in 2017:
Franks rsFr - Trask rsFr - Fr Toney Fr EE - Allen Fr
If any one of those guys can play, the Gators will be in business. (see Spring game)

Top off those guys with a few more tomorrow and this will be a very good class.

 

[instaGATOR]

The main problem if we don't finish good is we will have just DE sized guys mostly and not enough big heavy guys for the middle.

2017 Gator DT's will include:

NT Khairi Clark 6-2 319
NT Campbell 6-5 320
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DT Conliffe 6-4 305
DT Bryan 6-5 293
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DT/DE Polite 6-2 271
DT/DE CeCe 6-1 261

Bryan has slowly put on weight over the last 3 years, so I look for that to continue.
Same for CeCe and Polite, but I don't want to trade off their speed just for pounds.

Plus they are going to be deep and very talented at DE for years to come imo..
(and maybe they get 1-2 more DT's on NSD)

 

[TJtheGator]

Objective #1- #999: BEAT FSU. Everything starts and ends with beating FSU.

Objective #1,000: everything else

Beat FSU and everything else falls into place.

 

[instaGATOR]

Objective #1- #999: BEAT FSU. Everything starts and ends with beating FSU.

Objective #1,000: everything else

Beat FSU and everything else falls into place.

Except in 1996, UF lost to reFSUcks @ tallycrappy, then won the SEC-C, and then won the NC.
The natty aside, if I had a choice between beating the criminoles and winning another SEC-C, then I'd take the SEC-C every time, but that's me...

Along the same lines, if I had a choice between beating both tennis-sea and UGly, and beating reFSUcks, I'd take those 2 SEC wins every time.

And in a NY second, I'd trade away the crims for tOSU or TX, or Neb, or Mich, or USC, or most anyone of that level. Leave the crims to play the neutered lame to end every season instead of UF.
Both the crims and the scUM thugs are right where they need to be, in the Almost Competitive Conf.
The Gator's don't need either of them for our SoS, so let them play each other for their so-called 'state championship' every year, and the ring that goes with it...

 

[Dannygator1989]

Except in 1996, UF lost to reFSUcks @ tallycrappy, then won the SEC-C, and then won the NC.
The natty aside, if I had a choice between beating the criminoles and winning another SEC-C, then I'd take the SEC-C every time, but that's me...

Along the same lines, if I had a choice between beating both tennis-sea and UGly, and beating reFSUcks, I'd take those 2 SEC wins every time.

And in a NY second, I'd trade away the crims for tOSU or TX, or Neb, or Mich, or USC, or most anyone of that level. Leave the crims to play the neutered lame to end every season instead of UF.
Both the crims and the scUM thugs are right where they need to be, in the Almost Competitive Conf.
The Gator's don't need either of them for our SoS, so let them play each other for their so-called 'state championship' every year, and the ring that goes with it...

Beating FSU is a matter of recruiying.

It's hard to gain in-state ground when we've only beaten FSU once in the last 7 meetings.

They've had much better success in that time frame than we have as well.

 

[NavigatorII]

Beating FSU is a matter of recruiying.

It's hard to gain in-state ground when we've only beaten FSU once in the last 7 meetings.

They've had much better success in that time frame than we have as well.

Yeah but it's been almost entirely an issue at QB ever since Tebow graduated. That position is huge. If you look at the games since then, overall talent head to head has really been a push aside from that position. Hell, FSU was fortunate to beat UF the year Winston threw 4 ints in Doak. We just couldn't beat our way out of a paper bag on offense. It was practically 0-0 for the first half the following year. Eventually the defense cracks and caves when they are on the field the entire game. This year UF had some talent surrounding the QBs but it's a critical position. You have to have a guy that can make the other defense play honestly. Every team plays 9 in the box against us. Appleby made Iowa pay for that (finally).

Looks like the Gators got a very good class in spite of all the gloom and doom I've been hearing. Hopefully either Franks or Trask light it up next year. They've got a good supporting cast around them.

 

[instaGATOR]

2017 OFFENSE -- 40 Scholarships -- 11 WO's

Mc-Staff's Offensive recruiting responsibility for the 2017 roster.

All 5 QB's - 100%
All 5 RB's - 100%
9 of 10 WR's - 90%
12 of 15 OL - 80%
2 of 5 TE's - 40%
33 of 40 (82.5%) of the Ship-O
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2017 DEFENSE -- 40 Scholarships - 11 WO's
All 9 LB's - 100%
7 of 9 CB's 77.8%
6 of 8 DE's - 75%
5 of 7 DT's - 71.4%
5 of 7 S's - 71.4%
32 of 40 (80%) of the Ship-D

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'Position' quality and depth has largely been addressed.
The balance between the Offense and the Defense has been restored.
65 of the Teams 80 Scholarship Players (81%) are Mc-Staff recruits.

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STA became the first Broward County program to win 3 consecutive state titles in December when they crushed Tampa Plant, 45-6, in the Class 7A state championship. Allen completed 17 of 29 (58.6%) passes for 327 yards (19.2 yds/comp), 5 TD's to 1 Int. in the victory at Camping World Stadium in Orlando.
http://floridagators.com/news/2017/...-background-impresses-nuss.aspx?path=football

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2016 Impact Freshmen:
RT Jawaan Taylor -- MLB David Reese - WR Tyrie Cleveland - RB Lamical Perine - DB Chauncey Gardener
Those 5, along with several more Fr that got some playing time, were critical to UF repeating as SECe-C's and in beating the snot outta Iowa in the Outback.

2017 WaG on the Impact Freshmen in this next class:
CB Marco Wilson - CB Brad Stewart - The secondary, old and new, will sort itself out between now and Aug.
OT/OG Kadeem Telfort 6-6 318 - NT/OG T.J. Slaton 6-4 360 - And most of the other heavies will play some.
QB remains a WIDE-OPEN question going into the Spring (Toney) and in May - Summer A when Allen arrives.
Two (2) UA-AA's coming in at WR -- 2 RB's that could start for anybody as true Fr.

I would not even hazard a WaG for the starting roster for the Mich game.
A lotta 'flux' is gonna happen between now and Sept, even more than usual imoho.
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Who got the last laugh on NSD? -- As we learned Wednesday, it ain’t over until the Fax Lady sings.

So many people wrote off Jim McElwain and his assistants with one week left to go, despite more than 10 attainable targets still remaining on the board. Those same critics were crickets Wednesday night.
Mc-staff landed one or two of their top 3 targets at QB, RB, TE, OL, DL and CB. So the Gators not only filled their needs, but they did so with the prospects that they wanted the most.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/zachs-mail-stack-florida-signing-day-finish-recruiting

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Why in the world would Mc-Staff take a lowly LB that was only given 2 stars by the genius star givers?
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/how-and-why-florida-signed-sleeper-miami-lb-lacedrick-brunson

 

[instaGATOR]

The main problem if we don't finish good is we will have just DE sized guys mostly and not enough big heavy guys for the middle.

Post NSD Update:

2017 Gator DT's will include:

NT Khairi Clark 6-2 319
NT Campbell 6-5 320
NT/OG 'TJ' Slaton 6-4 360
DT Conliffe 6-4 305
DT Bryan 6-5 293
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DT/DE Polite 6-2 271
DT/DE CeCe 6-1 261

 

[Michi-Gator]

2017 OFFENSE -- 40 Scholarships -- 11 WO's

Mc-Staff's Offensive recruiting responsibility for the 2017 roster.

All 5 QB's - 100%
All 5 RB's - 100%
9 of 10 WR's - 90%
12 of 15 OL - 80%
2 of 5 TE's - 40%
33 of 40 (82.5%) of the Ship-O
=============

2017 DEFENSE -- 40 Scholarships - 11 WO's
All 9 LB's - 100%
7 of 9 CB's 77.8%
6 of 8 DE's - 75%
5 of 7 DT's - 71.4%
5 of 7 S's - 71.4%
32 of 40 (80%) of the Ship-D

==============

'Position' quality and depth has largely been addressed.
The balance between the Offense and the Defense has been restored.
65 of the Teams 80 Scholarship Players (81%) are Mc-Staff recruits.

===========

STA became the first Broward County program to win 3 consecutive state titles in December when they crushed Tampa Plant, 45-6, in the Class 7A state championship. Allen completed 17 of 29 (58.6%) passes for 327 yards (19.2 yds/comp), 5 TD's to 1 Int. in the victory at Camping World Stadium in Orlando.
http://floridagators.com/news/2017/...-background-impresses-nuss.aspx?path=football

=================

2016 Impact Freshmen:
RT Jawaan Taylor -- MLB David Reese - WR Tyrie Cleveland - RB Lamical Perine - DB Chauncey Gardener
Those 5, along with several more Fr that got some playing time, were critical to UF repeating as SECe-C's and in beating the snot outta Iowa in the Outback.

2017 WaG on the Impact Freshmen in this next class:
CB Marco Wilson - CB Brad Stewart - The secondary, old and new, will sort itself out between now and Aug.
OT/OG Kadeem Telfort 6-6 318 - NT/OG T.J. Slaton 6-4 360 - And most of the other heavies will play some.
QB remains a WIDE-OPEN question going into the Spring (Toney) and in May - Summer A when Allen arrives.
Two (2) UA-AA's coming in at WR -- 2 RB's that could start for anybody as true Fr.

I would not even hazard a WaG for the starting roster for the Mich game.
A lotta 'flux' is gonna happen between now and Sept, even more than usual imoho.
============

Who got the last laugh on NSD? -- As we learned Wednesday, it ain’t over until the Fax Lady sings.

So many people wrote off Jim McElwain and his assistants with one week left to go, despite more than 10 attainable targets still remaining on the board. Those same critics were crickets Wednesday night.
Mc-staff landed one or two of their top 3 targets at QB, RB, TE, OL, DL and CB. So the Gators not only filled their needs, but they did so with the prospects that they wanted the most.
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/zachs-mail-stack-florida-signing-day-finish-recruiting

==================

Why in the world would Mc-Staff take a lowly LB that was only given 2 stars by the genius star givers?
https://www.seccountry.com/florida/how-and-why-florida-signed-sleeper-miami-lb-lacedrick-brunson

With all the talent we landed you are WAY too hung up on Jake Allen. Mac worked very hard to add another QB late and made a late promise to Toney that he xould compete at QB. Mac is also working actively to try and flip 2018 DT-QB Emory Jones from OSU. We took Allen a LONG time ago, and I think Mac has since started to look at other options.

 

[fsu939913]

Yeah but it's been almost entirely an issue at QB ever since Tebow graduated. That position is huge. If you look at the games since then, overall talent head to head has really been a push aside from that position. Hell, FSU was fortunate to beat UF the year Winston threw 4 ints in Doak. We just couldn't beat our way out of a paper bag on offense. It was practically 0-0 for the first half the following year. Eventually the defense cracks and caves when they are on the field the entire game. This year UF had some talent surrounding the QBs but it's a critical position. You have to have a guy that can make the other defense play honestly. Every team plays 9 in the box against us. Appleby made Iowa pay for that (finally).

Looks like the Gators got a very good class in spite of all the gloom and doom I've been hearing. Hopefully either Franks or Trask light it up next year. They've got a good supporting cast around them.

What? Talent has not been a push. Defensively, yes its been a push but where is your Dalvin? Kelvin Benjamin offensive type players? Its been close but no way its been a push on the offensive end, defense yes

 

[instaGATOR]

Thank you very much for telling me about my supposed hangup on Allen. And here I thought that you had me pegged on Trask as my QB hangup. Consistency is your obvious hallmark...

And what YOU THINK Mc is doing is another great insight, after all you certainly had him pegged as a terrible recruiter that was regressing since he arrived at UF...
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Blades gone, Gator's impressive at #31
WOW. This is just bad, really bad

We'll bump the ratings with 3 kids who won't qualify and a kid who got caught smoking weed on an OV.

So you realize you just used the least talented and least deep group of DBs at UF since leather helmets to defend Mac???

Rock Solid 'stuff' by that genius michi-twit....

Projected S's for 2017 (7)

1) Marcell Harris 6-1 211 rsSr
2) Mick Washington 6-0 197 rsSr
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3) Jeawon Taylor 6-0 187 So
4) Quincy Lenton 5-11 202 rsFr(foot injury)
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#21 DB Brian Edwards 6-2 188 Fr - Miramar
(LSU-MsSt-UL-Clem-Mia-Neb-WVa)

#23 DB Shawn Davis 6-1 195 Fr - Miami
(UA-AU-Ark-SCa-TN-Mia-tOSU-USC-WVa)

#33 DB Donovan Stiner 6-2 185 Fr - Bellaire, TX
(Miz-Bay-Hou-OkSt)
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Projected CB's for 2017 (9)
1) Duke Dawson 5-10 208 Sr
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2) Joseph Putu 6-2 195 Sr
3) Chris Williamson 5-11 191 rsSo
4) Chauncey Gardener 5-11 204 So (Outback Bowl MVP
5) McArthur Burnett 5-9 174 So
6) CJ McWilliams 5-11 171 rsFr (ACL)
~ Garrett Stephens 5-9 188 rsSr WO
~ Brady Walters 5-11 176 Sr WO
~ Eddie Giles 5-9 167 rsJr WO
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~ Nick Oelrich 6-2 187 So WO
~ Edwitch Merisier 5-9 171 So WO
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#10 Ath C.J. Henderson 6-0 174 Fr - Miami
(UA-AU-UGA-LSU-TN-Mia-Mich-USC)

#13 FS Brad Stewart 6-0 194 Fr - N.O, LA
(UA-Ark-AU-UGA-LSU-TN-FSU-Mia-OK)

#13 DB Marco Wilson 6-0 180 Fr - Plantation
(UA-AU-Ark-SCa-Clem-Mia-tOSU-Mich)

Only 3 musclecramp DB recruits remain on the 2017 roster.
(but 3 of the 5 WO's are the chumps)

 

[fsu939913]

Thank you very much for telling me about my supposed hangup on Allen. And here I thought that you had me pegged on Trask as my QB hangup. Consistency is your obvious hallmark...

And what YOU THINK Mc is doing is another great insight, after all you certainly had him pegged as a terrible recruiter that was regressing since he arrived at UF...

You would say he deserves a raise right?

 

[instaGATOR]

You would say he deserves a raise right?

Naw, He's already under a very equitable contract that hasn't expired, but I would say that you're just another criminole troll...

 

[fsu939913]

Naw, He's already under a very equitable contract that hasn't expired, but I would say that you're just another criminole troll...

Wouldnt be the 1st time u were wrong my friend and yes whether u know it or not we r friends

 

[instaGATOR]

Wouldnt be the 1st time u were wrong my friend and yes whether u know it or not we r friends

Flash news, insta is the only person on Earth that's not 100% correct, all of the time...

Have to call BS on being friends.
Because FRIENDS,,, don't let FRIENDS,,, go to or support reFSUcks...

 

[fsu939913]

Flash news, insta is the only person on Earth that's not 100% correct, all of the time...

Have to call BS on being friends.
Because FRIENDS,,, don't let FRIENDS,,, go to or support reFSUcks...

We r friends. I saved ur number in my phone as bff

 

[instaGATOR]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Using rivals recruiting for these team ranking comparisons:

7. OK --- 27 - 0 - 18 - 8 - 1 --- 3.63

9. UF --- 23 - 0 - 15 - 7 - 1 --- 3.61 (needs filled, balance obtained)
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11. Mia - 24 - 0 - 10 - 13 - 1 - 3.38

13. ND -- 21 - 0 - 8 - 12 - 1 -- 3.33

15. TN -- 28 - 0 - 9 - 18 - 1 -- 3.29

Of those 4 other teams, only Miami has a recently hired coach.
The rest have 5+ years at their schools.

 

[NavigatorII]

What? Talent has not been a push. Defensively, yes its been a push but where is your Dalvin? Kelvin Benjamin offensive type players? Its been close but no way its been a push on the offensive end, defense yes

Overall it's been a push. Period. The edge on defense is so great it makes up for the ineptitude on offense, talent wise overall, which doesn't translate well when we have zombies at QB. Give UF FSU's QB the past 7 years and you don't win a single game head to head in that time frame. FSU's defense was pathetic this year by UF defensive standards, in spite of all those heralded recruits Kelly had. Cook was an exceptional talent, I'll give you that. But Scarlet could have rushed for 1500 yards if UF had some balance and not faced 8-9 man fronts. Callaway is or could be a Cook-like talent if someone could get him the ball. He's going to have someone else grab some attention away from him next year, Cleveland. I would not trade those two for any tandem in the country at WR.

 

[fsu939913]

Overall it's been a push. Period. The edge on defense is so great it makes up for the ineptitude on offense, talent wise overall, which doesn't translate well when we have zombies at QB. Give UF FSU's QB the past 7 years and you don't win a single game head to head in that time frame. FSU's defense was pathetic this year by UF defensive standards, in spite of all those heralded recruits Kelly had. Cook was an exceptional talent, I'll give you that. But Scarlet could have rushed for 1500 yards if UF had some balance and not faced 8-9 man fronts. Callaway is or could be a Cook-like talent if someone could get him the ball. He's going to have someone else grab some attention away from him next year, Cleveland. I would not trade those two for any tandem in the country at WR.

I disagree. Talent wise, we have just as much on defense, they arent coached as well, we have a complete moron running our defense. Strictly talent wise i think its slightly been on fsu's side the past 7 years. Yes we had better qb's in that time but u really think any team was beating our 2013 team? That team alone had every starter in the NFL and that team alone puts above uf talent gap over the past 7 yrs. I will full on admit that during the tebow yrs, it wasnt just him. He was great but the talent gap there was a big difference. I get ur a gator fan and believe what ur saying but i jus dont think its accurate. We set a record number of players to the nfl in a 3 yr span. So i dont think talent wise over the past 7 yrs its been even. Derwin is our next major talent as well as mcfadden. We have great players too.

QB is part of that talent pool.

 

[instaGATOR]

I don't pay much attention to the crim's roster, so I won't try for a comparison.

QB-PP Jake Allen didn't grow up in the STA HS program, he transferred in as a Junior and beat out the guy that was already penciled in as the next starter, coming off their 7A state Championship. Then he led his team to B-2-B class 7A state Championships his Jr and Sr season. Steady, reliable, doing a rock-solid job and he's a great kid. He committed to the Gators in the summer after his sophomore year.

Now, can he come in to UF and do the same thing again, by beating out 2 rsFr, one of which is almost surely penciled in already as the next starter, plus a very talented dual thread early enorllee? That would take a small miracle imo, but until I see him with the Gator team, I'll withhold my judgments, one way or the other. Good luck to him anyway.

My bet is that whichever one of those four (Franks-Trask-Toney-Allen), that can unseat LDR while beating out the other 3 freshmen for the starting job, is going to light it up in 2017.

I watched Kerwin Bell and then Shane Matthews both come out of nowhere to win the job, so it's certainly possible for Allen or Toney, even as long of a long-shot as that would be.

This football off-season will be the most interesting for me at the QB position since TT left. The one thing that I know for sure is this; there is NO shortage of play-makers or OL'men surrounding the QB for 2017, whomever that turns out to be, so no more excuses for the QB play. Either get it done, or get outta the way for a QB that can. NO FAVORITES! Put the best QB on the field or find coaches that can, the honeymoon is now officially over imoho.

Personally, I'm smiling a lot lately. I think that what Mc has done in his first 2 years is exemplary, and so I'm looking forward to the coming season, if I live to see it anyway....

My W-a-G, based on my own limited knowledge and nothing more is this:
1. Trask, 2. Allen, 3. Franks, 4. Toney - LDR Begins serious study for his upcoming coaching career.

Fans wishes, hopes, speculations, opinions, and dreams, with the usual back and forth over the next 7 months that will be nearly constant and will continue right up until the kickoff at Dallas happens. What's left for the Gator fans is to try and enjoy that long football off-season process....

PS

I wouldn't trade the Gator's deep and talented WR or RB roster for anyone else's in the nation.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I don't pay much attention to the crim's roster, so I won't try for a comparison.

QB-PP Jake Allen didn't grow up in the STA HS program, he transferred in as a Junior and beat out the guy that was already penciled in as the next starter, coming off their 7A state Championship. Then he led his team to B-2-B class 7A state Championships his Jr and Sr season. Steady, reliable, doing a rock-solid job and he's a great kid. He committed to the Gators in the summer after his sophomore year.

Now, can he come in to UF and do the same thing again, by beating out 2 rsFr, one of which is almost surely penciled in already as the next starter, plus a very talented dual thread early enorllee? That would take a small miracle imo, but until I see him with the Gator team, I'll withhold my judgments, one way or the other. Good luck to him anyway.

My bet is that whichever one of those four (Franks-Trask-Toney-Allen), that can unseat LDR while beating out the other 3 freshmen for the starting job, is going to light it up in 2017.

I watched Kerwin Bell and then Shane Matthews both come out of nowhere to win the job, so it's certainly possible for Allen or Toney, even as long of a long-shot as that would be.

This football off-season will be the most interesting for me at the QB position since TT left. The one thing that I know for sure is this; there is NO shortage of play-makers or OL'men surrounding the QB for 2017, whomever that turns out to be, so no more excuses for the QB play. Either get it done, or get outta the way for a QB that can. NO FAVORITES! Put the best QB on the field or find coaches that can, the honeymoon is now officially over imoho.

Personally, I'm smiling a lot lately. I think that what Mc has done in his first 2 years is exemplary, and so I'm looking forward to the coming season, if I live to see it anyway....

My W-a-G, based on my own limited knowledge and nothing more is this:
1. Trask, 2. Allen, 3. Franks, 4. Toney - LDR Begins serious study for his upcoming coaching career.

Fans wishes, hopes, speculations, opinions, and dreams, with the usual back and forth over the next 7 months that will be nearly constant and will continue right up until the kickoff at Dallas happens. What's left for the Gator fans is to try and enjoy that long football off-season process....

PS

I wouldn't trade the Gator's deep and talented WR or RB roster for anyone else's in the nation.

These kids have been on campus a while. Silly to think Mac doesn't have an idea of who he is going with.

I will be very surprised if Franks isn't the starter against MeatChicken.

I see no scenario where Allen doesn't red shirt.

If the offense is unable to escape the Nuss-disease I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Toney get a shot.

 

[instaGATOR]

Anything's possible in the way early 'new QB' process imo. I don't rule anything out at this point, and may the best QB win the 'fairly' competed for job, because imoho, coaching jobs may depend on it. So good luck to Mc-Nuss and ALL of the 2017 roster QB's....
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Only 2 SEC teams with a single home loss over the past 2 seasons.
SEC-C 13-1 Alabama-Satan
SECe-C 11-1 Florida-McElwain

It was easy for 'all everything' 5 Star Alabama.

But how did a 'crappy' coach with no top quality 5 Star QB and no offense, manage to accomplish that too?
Especially when one of UF's 'home games' wins was actually played @ LSU.
That's an LSU team that beat the snot outta UL in their bowl 29 - 9.
Maybe Mc's a bit better of a coach than some give him credit for being...

----- SDS's Ranking of SEC Head Coaches entering Spring of 2017:

1. Saban - Alabama
2. McElwain - Florida
3. Hugh Freeze - Mississippi
4. Dan Mullen - Mississippi St
5. Gus Malzahn - Auburn

6. The Head-BJ - Tennis-sea (Champions of Life - but still lose to Candy)
7. Kevin Sumlin - aTm
8. Bret bielema - Ar-Kansas
9. Kirby Smart - UGly (but he and musclecramp are great recruiters)
10. Ed Orgeron - LSwho
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The Gators (in the front 7) are actually not losing much in the way of % of “impact plays” from last season's #5 in the Nation Total Defense. With all of the many injuries, Mc's young guys basically carried the D by the 2nd half of the season.

In past secondary's, the Gators lost Joe Haden and Janoris Jenkins and they replaced them. Then they lost Hargreaves and Neal to the NFL 1st round, and 5 Star Brian Poole as a FA starter for the SB Falcons, and they replaced them.
They are now losing Tabor and Wilson, likely in the 1st round, and Maye likely in the 2nd Rnd, and they will replace them too. UF is called DB-U for good reasons... They remain deep and talented in the secondary, just waiting for the next stars to step up this Spring/Fall. So for the Gator's 2017 Defense,,, no worries mates...

On Offense - they return all but 1 Sr Grad-xfer at QB while adding 2 QB's. They return all but one xfer-out at RB while adding 2 top quality RB's. They return ALL 4 TE's while adding 1-2? They return all WR's except for marginal Sr Fullwood and ST's Chris Thompson, while adding 2-3 top quality WR's? They return all OL'men except for one rsJr Grad-xfer and 1 NFL early departure Jr, while adding 2 back to the roster.

IF the QB position finally finds a Top Quality candidate to lead the team, then they are likely a 3-Peat as SEC-e-C, with a real shot at being the SEC-C.
Ten wins and I call it a successful season. Getting 11+ wins and a 3-Peat as SECe-C would be my 'fluffy biscuit' level. And winning the SEC-C this time around would be the double-down gravy on my regular season biscuit.

That would also make them an outside dark horse for winning the 4-Team CFP's Cake, and winning it all would be the sweetest icing for that CFP cake!
(ain't bettin' the farm on that one, or even the dog house...)

I did't really expect any new guy to win any kind of championships until season 4-5 when they fired Will, so I've been very pleasantly surprised with all of the early success they've had. All that wishing and dreaming aside, it might be 1-2 years away yet. So another 9-10 win regular season with another bowl win would be an acceptable 3rd season imo.

 

[instaGATOR]

AND BEYOND...

The 2018 Mc-Gator Recruiting class is getting started early.

WR Jalynn Williams 5-10 185 - St. Petersburg - Committed

CB Divaad Wilson 5-11 185 - Miami - Committed

Ath (CB-WR) Nigel Bethel Jr 5-11 165 - Miami - Committed
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Ten of the 2018 Offered & Considering that I'd like to see the Gators get:

CB Patrick Surtain Jr 6-2 192 - Plantation, FL
FS Gurvan Hall 6-1 180 W.Palm Bch, FL
ILB Rosendo Louis 6-2 225 Deerfield Bch, FL
DE Jonathan King 6-3 230 Tampa, FL
DT Matthew Jones 6-4 290 Brooklyn, NY
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QB-PP Riley Smith 6-4 190 Jacksonville, FL
RB Zamir White 6-0 200 - Laurinburg, NC
WR Warren Thompson 6-4 185 Seffner, FL
OG Deontrey Hill 6-4 333 Warner Robins, GA
TE-H Will Mallory 6-5 200 Jacksonville, FL

But so far, just 'lookin & thinkin' about it, it's way to soon for me to decide much.
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2018 D1 Recruiting competition in the state of Florida:

UF McElwain - ColoSt MWC CoY-HC & 2x NC as UA-OC
Already SEC 2015 CoY and 2x SECe-C + Outback Bowl Champ

FSUcks Jimblow Wisher - former LSU OC
scUM the Retch - former UGly butt-sniffer HC
USF Charlie Strong - former TX & UL HC
UCF Scott Frost - former Oregon OC
FAU Lame Kitten - Satan's OC & former USCw & Tn HC
FIU Butch Davis - former scUM HC.

Then Mc has to also recruit against the rest of the SEC coaches.
Now add in the rest of the Major D1's from all over the nation.
So if the Gator's choose to not cheat or otherwise circumvent the NCAA rules, it should be real easy to out-recruit all of those other coaches/schools for a Top 5 class every year, and especially easy since they are all on a level academic/character playing field.
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Looking Ahead - 11 Sr's could be gone after the 2017 season, but IF 2017 Sr's Massey and Riles get a Med-rs for 2016, they could return in 2018?

CB/Nic Duke Dawson rsSr
CB Joseph Putu Sr
Need to sign 2

FS Marcell Harris rsSr
SS Nick Washington rsSr
Need to sign 3 at Safety

LB None - Need to sign 1-2

DE Jordan Sherit rsSr
Need to sign 1-2

DT None - Need to sign 1-2

P - Johnny Townsend rsSr
His brother Tommy Townsend rsSo is already on the roster.

WR Brandon Powell Sr
WR Dre Massey Sr (could return if he gets a Med-rs for 2016)
WR Antonio Callaway Jr (possible Jr E-D)
Need to sign 3 WR's

OG Antonio Riles rsSr (could return if he gets a Med-rs for 2016)
LT/SG Martez Ivey (possible E-D)
Need to sign 3-4 OL'men

RB Mark Thompson Sr
RB Jordan Scarlett Jr (possible E-D)
Need to sign 1-2

QB
None - Need to sign 1 every year.

TE
DeAndre Goolsby Sr
Loaded, but need to sign 1 every year.

Normal Other Roster Attrition (xfer, injury, etc) is around 7 annually. (2016 = 9)

Likely 2018 open ships = 21 - but that could be as much a +/- 4 by next Feb.. JMOHO's

 

[Michi-Gator]

Anything's possible in the way early 'new QB' process imo. I don't rule anything out at this point, and may the best QB win the 'fairly' competed for job, because imoho, coaching jobs may depend on it. So good luck to Mc-Nuss and ALL of the 2017 roster QB's....
==========

Only 2 SEC teams with a single home loss over the past 2 seasons.
SEC-C 13-1 Alabama-Satan
SECe-C 11-1 Florida-McElwain

It was easy for 'all everything' 5 Star Alabama.

But how did a 'crappy' coach with no top quality 5 Star QB and no offense, manage to accomplish that too?
Especially when one of UF's 'home games' wins was actually played @ LSU.
That's an LSU team that beat the snot outta UL in their bowl 29 - 9.
Maybe Mc's a bit better of a coach than some give him credit for being...

----- SDS's Ranking of SEC Head Coaches entering Spring of 2017:

1. Saban - Alabama
2. McElwain - Florida
3. Hugh Freeze - Mississippi
4. Dan Mullen - Mississippi St
5. Gus Malzahn - Auburn

6. The Head-BJ - Tennis-sea (Champions of Life - but still lose to Candy)
7. Kevin Sumlin - aTm
8. Bret bielema - Ar-Kansas
9. Kirby Smart - UGly (but he and musclecramp are great recruiters)
10. Ed Orgeron - LSwho
===========

The Gators (in the front 7) are actually not losing much in the way of % of “impact plays” from last season's #5 in the Nation Total Defense. With all of the many injuries, Mc's young guys basically carried the D by the 2nd half of the season.

In past secondary's, the Gators lost Joe Haden and Janoris Jenkins and they replaced them. Then they lost Hargreaves and Neal to the NFL 1st round, and 5 Star Brian Poole as a FA starter for the SB Falcons, and they replaced them.
They are now losing Tabor and Wilson, likely in the 1st round, and Maye likely in the 2nd Rnd, and they will replace them too. UF is called DB-U for good reasons... They remain deep and talented in the secondary, just waiting for the next stars to step up this Spring/Fall. So for the Gator's 2017 Defense,,, no worries mates...

On Offense - they return all but 1 Sr Grad-xfer at QB while adding 2 QB's. They return all but one xfer-out at RB while adding 2 top quality RB's. They return ALL 4 TE's while adding 1-2? They return all WR's except for marginal Sr Fullwood and ST's Chris Thompson, while adding 2-3 top quality WR's? They return all OL'men except for one rsJr Grad-xfer and 1 NFL early departure Jr, while adding 2 back to the roster.

IF the QB position finally finds a Top Quality candidate to lead the team, then they are likely a 3-Peat as SEC-e-C, with a real shot at being the SEC-C.
Ten wins and I call it a successful season. Getting 11+ wins and a 3-Peat as SECe-C would be my 'fluffy biscuit' level. And winning the SEC-C this time around would be the double-down gravy on my regular season biscuit.

That would also make them an outside dark horse for winning the 4-Team CFP's Cake, and winning it all would be the sweetest icing for that CFP cake!
(ain't bettin' the farm on that one, or even the dog house...)

I did't really expect any new guy to win any kind of championships until season 4-5 when they fired Will, so I've been very pleasantly surprised with all of the early success they've had. All that wishing and dreaming aside, it might be 1-2 years away yet. So another 9-10 win regular season with another bowl win would be an acceptable 3rd season imo.

I can't quantify my judging of Mac on wins. We need to have an offense in the top 50, defense in the top 20, continue to recruit well and compete with FsU

 

[Michi-Gator]

AND BEYOND...

The 2018 Mc-Gator Recruiting class is getting started early.

WR Jalynn Williams 5-10 185 - St. Petersburg - Committed

CB Divaad Wilson 5-11 185 - Miami - Committed

Ath (CB-WR) Nigel Bethel Jr 5-11 165 - Miami - Committed
==============

Ten of the 2018 Offered & Considering that I'd like to see the Gators get:

CB Patrick Surtain Jr 6-2 192 - Plantation, FL
FS Gurvan Hall 6-1 180 W.Palm Bch, FL
ILB Rosendo Louis 6-2 225 Deerfield Bch, FL
DE Jonathan King 6-3 230 Tampa, FL
DT Matthew Jones 6-4 290 Brooklyn, NY
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QB-PP Riley Smith 6-4 190 Jacksonville, FL
RB Zamir White 6-0 200 - Laurinburg, NC
WR Warren Thompson 6-4 185 Seffner, FL
OG Deontrey Hill 6-4 333 Warner Robins, GA
TE-H Will Mallory 6-5 200 Jacksonville, FL

But so far, just 'lookin & thinkin' about it, it's way to soon for me to decide much.
==========

2018 D1 Recruiting competition in the state of Florida:

UF McElwain - ColoSt MWC CoY-HC & 2x NC as UA-OC
Already SEC 2015 CoY and 2x SECe-C + Outback Bowl Champ

FSUcks Jimblow Wisher - former LSU OC
scUM the Retch - former UGly butt-sniffer HC
USF Charlie Strong - former TX & UL HC
UCF Scott Frost - former Oregon OC
FAU Lame Kitten - Satan's OC & former USCw & Tn HC
FIU Butch Davis - former scUM HC.

Then Mc has to also recruit against the rest of the SEC coaches.
Now add in the rest of the Major D1's from all over the nation.
So if they choose to not cheat or circumvent the NCAA rules, it should be real easy to out-recruit all of those other coaches/schools for a Top 5 class every year, and especially easy since they are all on a level academic/character playing field.
=============

Looking Ahead - 11 Sr's could be gone after the 2017 season, but IF 2017 Sr's Massey and Riles get a Med-rs for 2016, they could return in 2018?

CB/Nic Duke Dawson rsSr
CB Joseph Putu Sr
Need to sign 2

FS Marcell Harris rsSr
SS Nick Washington rsSr
Need to sign 3 at Safety

LB None - Need to sign 1-2

DE Jordan Sherit rsSr
Need to sign 1-2

DT None - Need to sign 1-2

P - Johnny Townsend rsSr
His brother Tommy Townsend rsSo is already on the roster.

WR Brandon Powell Sr
WR Dre Massey Sr (could return if he gets a Med-rs for 2016)
WR Antonio Callaway Jr (possible Jr E-D)
Need to sign 3 WR's

OG Antonio Riles rsSr (could return if he gets a Med-rs for 2016)
LT/SG Martez Ivey (possible E-D)
Need to sign 3-4 OL'men

RB Mark Thompson Sr
RB Jordan Scarlett Jr (possible E-D)
Need to sign 1-2

QB
None - Need to sign 1 every year.

TE
DeAndre Goolsby Sr
Loaded, but need to sign 1 every year.

Normal Other Roster Attrition (xfer, injury, etc) is around 7 annually. (2016 = 9)

Likely 2018 open ships = 21 - but that could be as much a +/- 4 by next Feb.. JMOHO's

You forgot the recruitment of DT-QB Emory Jones who sits with a UF offer

 

[Dannygator1989]

I can't quantify my judging of Mac on wins. We need to have an offense in the top 50, defense in the top 20, continue to recruit well and compete with FsU

We do that and we go 10-2 in the regular season almost without a doubt (always a chance that in a couple of games one side of the ball or the other had a miserable day.)

Those kind of numbers, with our schedule, there's no reason not to finish 11-1 before ATL and the bowl game.

 

[instaGATOR]

You forgot the recruitment of DT-QB Emory Jones who sits with a UF offer

Nope, I didn't forget anyone. I listed the 3 that have already given their verbal commit.
And I listed 10 that I'd like them to get of the many that they've offered already.
UF has early offers out to dozens already, including several QB's.

If you'd like to list ones that you'd like them to get, then have at it. I'm not interested in the one you listed.

 

[instaGATOR]

Mc can't recruit, and that's why he's taken the Alabama Back of the Year away from Saban in consecutive years. Saban tried to flip both RB Perine and Ath Toney away from Mc-UF, but he failed both times.

As to Toney, he can be a true star as a Gator. I'm seeing him in a Percy Harvin type role, playing as an occasional wildcat QB, and as a full time RB/WR combo, with the defense never really knowing where he will line up or what his position role is on any given play. He can be the ultimate WILDCARD (joker) on this team.

Mc also can''t sign any guys from S.FL or beat out either the scUM or the Retch for recruits,,, except for this of course: Florida went head-to-head against Miami for 9 recruits, and the Gators emerged victorious, signing 7 of the highly recruited prospects to the Retch--Hurricanes’ 2.
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The very picture of a prefect QB throwing form...

Florida redshirt freshman quarterback Feleipe Franks heads into spring practice.

That picture would give Spurrier a screaming visor throwin' head-ache for sure.... --- And top shelf DE's love to see a QB motion like that....

 

[keyzer soze]

He's not throwing. He's doing some kind of dynamic stretching routine. He's warming up.

Look at how he's holding the ball

 

[instaGATOR]

He's not throwing. He's doing some kind of dynamic stretching routine. He's warming up.

Look at how he's holding the ball

That's your story (excuse) and you're both stickin' to it...

Watch real close in the Spring game...

 

[instaGATOR]

One of the 2018 Gator targets at the WR is Anthony Schwartz, a 3-star WR from American Heritage HS in Ft. Lauderdale. Schwartz visited UF for the 1st time Saturday. “It was great and I loved the campus,” Schwartz said. The 175 dual sport (track) speedster had 3 teammates sign with UF in the Class of 2017 — LB J.Houston, DT T.J.Slaton and CB Marco Wilson. UF and scUM are his leaders. (In HS he plays WR/FS/PR/ST)

Another 3 star recruit, RB Chris Curry 5-11 200, visited UF for the 1st time Saturday. He has trips to tOSU and Ore planned for the summer, but he's already put UF in his top 4-5. “I would love to have him (JaJuan Seider) coach me in the future. They (UF) definitely moved up."

Legacy (DT Brad Culpepper) TE/DE Judge Culpepper 6-4 236 visited on Sat. In addition to his father, Culpepper’s grandfather (Bruce) and great uncle (Blair) also played for the Gators. “I love the staff a lot and think the facilities are top notch at Florida. They’re a program on the rise, so I’m a big fan. I think Coach Mac has revitalized the program a lot from what it was under previous years. I think he will continue to do a great job.” Judge will be an early enrollee, so he hopes to commit before his senior season.

Sevyn Banks 6-1 186 was one of several DB's who visited Florida last weekend, but none of them had a connection to the school quite like him. His older brother is Marcell Harris, the starting safety for the Gators who led the team in tackles (73) last season. McElwain is confident Banks will follow in his sibling’s footsteps. He is currently NR in the 247Sports Composite. However, just as soon as UF offered on Jan. 19, Banks then received offers from AU, tOSU, SCa and VaTech.

A 5-star safety from Jax, Tyreke Johnson 6-1 177 recently visited UF. "I spoke to Chauncey Gardner, someone who is like my cousin, my brother. I also really had a great connection with the new DB coach (Corey Bell). He is real,” Johnson said of Bell. “He is one of those coaches that is not going to sugarcoat. He was just basically being honest. He wants you and there is an opportunity to play, but nothing is handed to you. It was just one of those conversations and I really respected that.”

LT/LG Martez Ivey’s HS, Apopka, has produced another elite lineman for 2018 in #10 OT William Barnes 6-4 290. And like Ivey, Barnes could end up at UF. He named the Gators his early leader last year, and he’s still favoring them after meeting the new OL coach on Saturday. “After talking with Coach Brad Davis, I definitely feel a bond with him coming on. I just feel great talking to him. So definitely Florida is still on top.”

Commit Update: When CB Divaad Wilson 6-0 183 committed to UF on Feb. 3, he was not rated in the Rivals.com recruiting rankings. On Sunday, the Miami CB received a 4-star rating from Rivals after being re-evaluated by their analysts. (better late than never I guess)

 

[Duo]

Objective #1- #999: BEAT FSU. Everything starts and ends with beating FSU.

Objective #1,000: everything else

Beat FSU and everything else falls into place.

Why is that so important? Why build up your hopes when it's not likely to happen. Shouldn't your main objective be to win the SEC East. Beating FSU in a year when they have a serious chance of playing in the playoffs is unlikely. And beating Bama in Atlanta...........well, those chances are about the same as beating FSU.in the swamp this year.

 

[ocalaman]

Winning SEC titles is the ultimate goal, but beating FSU is equally important because they are our primary rival and it matters for recruiting. As a lifelong (65 years worth) Gator fan and alumni I would rather beat FSU and Georgia than any other teams on our schedule. Lots of history and lots of animosity with those 2 schools. I pull for them to lose every game they play in every sport. Can't help it. That's just the way I feel. I, also, agree with a prior poster - If Mac can get our offense in the Top 50 and keep the defense in the Top 20, we'll have a high degree of success. To improve the offense to make that leap from 105 (or wherever it's been the last several years) to 50 or better you need stability and quality at the QB position as well as an offensive line that can hold up against top tier defensive fronts. We're moving in the right direction, methinks.