National Championship Discussion Thread
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It's all Kiffin. It's like people forgot Coker has already been benched once this year. To put things in perspective, as of a few weeks ago he had a worse QBR than Treon. He's asked to make dump offs like an elementary QB and have his playmakers make plays. They manage him like a freshmen QB.
^^^Understate much?! Calling Watson a good QB is akin to calling Fournette a good running back. Watson is a damn stud.
I can't stand Kiffin but he's done a crazy job the last two years revamping that offense. Last year he took a guy who had played RB the last three years and produced one of the best offenses in the SEC. Now this year he does it again with Coker. Some dumb AD is gonna give him a head job again LOL
Tis true. And only a true sophomore, good lord. They put enough points on the board. Clemson's defense and special teams failed them.
Coker isn't very good IMHO, but he did not turn the ball over which was important.
Kiffin is a great offensive mind, but the kid can't get out of his own way sometimes. He seems to self destruct for no reason whatsoever.
If he would just keep his head down and coach, there's no way he couldn't build an elite program somewhere.
If he would just keep his head down and coach, there's no way he couldn't build an elite program somewhere.
He's an elite assistant coach, but some guys aren't meant to be the head man. He probably falls into that category. At USC his offenses were legit too but he didn't focus on anything else so the team as a whole suffered.
My word!! I get serious goose bumps thinking about Coach Mac doing the on field confetti interview like Saban has done 5 fecking times! So sick with envy it's embarrassing.
Pleeeaaasse Mac.... give Gator Nation a confetti interview before I go crazy!
Pleeeaaasse Mac.... give Gator Nation a confetti interview before I go crazy!
No one ever said that. Maybe some year someone in the sec can challenge bammer but I doubt it.
"No one ever said that. Maybe some year someone in the sec can challenge bammer but I doubt it."
Maybe some year someone in the acc can challenge bamm....wait...can challenge bam...wait... forget it, I can't stop laughing.
Maybe some year someone in the acc can challenge bamm....wait...can challenge bam...wait... forget it, I can't stop laughing.
You mean like LSU, UF or Auburn. All SEC schools that have won a national championship in the last 10 years. 8 of the last 10 national titles of been won by an SEC school.
And yes you were one of the Noles that said that SEC wasn't that good anymore.
Bah, the SEC is Bama right now. The SEC, overall, is weaker than it was a few years ago.
The one team that beat Bama this year was an SEC team. Is the SEC weaker that it was a few years ago? I don't know but what I do know Is the SEC just went 9-2 in their bowl games and has won 8 of the last 10 national titles. Bama is a powerhouse for sure.
In terms of winning titles? Yes. But Auburn, LSU, and UF have all had two title appearances in the last decade. Take away Bama and that's still 6 combined title appearances, which is elite.
Were it not for a fluke 4th and 25 lateral that bounced right to an Arkansas guy that barely made the first down, Ole Miss wins the SEC championship this year. And who knows, Bama may have been left out of the top 4 since a premium is now placed on winning your conference title. I'd say that's a pretty good challenge to Bama in the here and now.
If not for Watson, it wouldn't even be a game...he singlehandedly kept them alive.
I disagree. Clemson's defense played Bama tough. How many times did they sack Coker...6, 7 times?
It was a GREAT game...best I've seen in a long time. Bama and Clemson were clearly the top 2 teams in the country.
I do give Clemson props on defense, but I also think a part of that was a failure on Kiffin's part.
Even if SEC is a bit weaker lately, that is only in relation to past strength. Won't be like that long, everything is cyclical...too many high ranked recruiting classes and talented coaching staffs for it stay that way long.
I dunno, dj...it was just a GREAT game! Watson had some magic, Henry scampered for a long TD, that onside kick was spectacular, the 95 yard return for a TD, Lawson's multiple Coker sacks, walk-on, Freshman #13's catch after catch....everything you would want in a Championship game!
For once, I honestly don't care about SEC, ACC, blah blah blah...hats off to BOTH teams. WOW!
I was entertained!
I dunno, dj...it was just a GREAT game! Watson had some magic, Henry scampered for a long TD, that onside kick was spectacular, the 95 yard return for a TD, Lawson's multiple Coker sacks, walk-on, Freshman #13's catch after catch....everything you would want in a Championship game!
For once, I honestly don't care about SEC, ACC, blah blah blah...hats off to BOTH teams. WOW!
I was entertained!
About as good a game as you can get without having your team in it.
Do you realize that this year is the first time a team has won the SEC back to back since UT did it in 97-98?
I agree.
That said, the Clemson D-Line was fearsome. In fact, the whole front seven was damn good.
Did you know this is the first time ever that Bama has won B2B SEC Championship Games?
Not relevant in the present. Alabama has been favored in every game since 2009 except one, UGA this year.
Its Alabama and then everyone else. They own the sec.
So? I realize this is your attempt to downplay the rest of the conference, but FSU 'owns' the ACC too, and the teams below them ain't worth a damn most years. Like I've already posted, UF, LSU, and Auburn have all had two title game appearances in the last 10 years, that's a combined six title game appearances from teams not named Bama. Lemme know who else has done/is doing that.
And one of the years they won a title they didn't win their own division much less the conference. Which is still the biggest bullshit of all time BTW, only Bama could pull it off.
That's good trivia. Even if a little disingenuous. They did after all win the NC in 2011 and 2012.
Face it, its Saban's conference. He ran Meyer off. Is about to get Miles fired. Gus Bus wrecked. Its a major upset any time they lose.
Not sure why anyone is even trying to say otherwise.
Come on Oozie. They were better than LSU that year. It took like 4 missed field goals for LSU to win. They got wrecked in the title game.
No they weren't. Why is the title game the only barometer of who was better? Go look at the schedule LSU faced that year, they beat something like 6 Top-25 teams. It wasn't as if LSU played a mistake free game at Bama either. It's hard to beat the same team twice and that's what we saw in the title game, doesn't mean Bama was better, they went 1-1 against each other. Either way, not the point. Bama had no business being in the game not winning their own division or conference. In the current format they wouldn't have gotten into the playoffs, so why is the 11' season's result acceptable?
So what? Are you arguing that Ole Miss was in the class of Clemson or should have been in the title discussion? It was a conference game. Ole Miss is a good team (not great...good). Besides, Saban almost always manages to lose a seasonal game during title runs.
I'm not saying the SEC isn't great, or even the best conference I think it is. But for the past two years nobody has been a true title contender outside of bama.
I probably should have termed it "couple" rather than "few" years. It just depends on how far you want to look back. If we break it down by decade you are totally right, but for the past two years it has only been bama contending for a NC.
The ACC is pretty much FSU, with the rare Clemson type team slipping in.
The Big 10 is OSU with Michigan on the rise but not quiet there.
The Big 12 is Oklahoma. The Baylor's and TCU's slip down the stretch.
The PAC 12 is now Oregon until USC gets over the slump hump.
Ok so Bama is the top dog in the SEC but any giving year the world isn't shocked if Auburn, UF, or LSU make it to the title game. Even if a Richt led UGA ever made it in, nobody would have been shocked. Same could be said about UT or Ole Miss next year. I wouldn't count out UGA in two years.
The Big 10 is OSU with Michigan on the rise but not quiet there.
The Big 12 is Oklahoma. The Baylor's and TCU's slip down the stretch.
The PAC 12 is now Oregon until USC gets over the slump hump.
Ok so Bama is the top dog in the SEC but any giving year the world isn't shocked if Auburn, UF, or LSU make it to the title game. Even if a Richt led UGA ever made it in, nobody would have been shocked. Same could be said about UT or Ole Miss next year. I wouldn't count out UGA in two years.
Agree but the same is true of other conferences.
Pac 12- Oregon and who?
Big 10: Ohio St.
Big 12: Pretty much only Baylor and Oklahoma, and Baylor has never been a serious contender.
ACC: FSU, and then Clemson this year.
If you break it down even more it looks like this. In the last decade only Oregon has played for a title in the Pac 12, Ohio St. is the only big 10 team since 02', Oklahoma and Texas have played for a title since 05', and then FSU and Clemson two of the last 3 years. Not at all different from the SEC.
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