Mississippi State announces "punishment" for Jeffery Simmons

[Gator22222]

Mississippi State has announced the punishment for the 5 star DL that repeatedly punched a woman in the head while she was laying on the ground.

"Simmons will be allowed to enroll at the university for summer school and participate in team activities, with conditions, the school announced Thursday. Simmons will be suspended for the Bulldogs’ first game against South Alabama, while also being evaluated by the licensed professionals at the university’s Student Counseling Services."

That is a travesty. The conditions are probably extra laps, must be on time, etc.

The one game suspension against a patsy is a joke. The kid is an incoming freshman, there's no guarantee he would have played in that game anyway.

The guy that repeatedly punched a helpless woman in the head is getting the same penalty he would for a targeting call against a heavily padded football player.

Dan Mullen has sold his soul. If this kid commits an act of violence against a woman while at Miss St then Mullen will go the way of Briles. He is rolling the dice on this kid with his career at stake.

Coaches always talk about giving these kids a second chance. What they aren't looking at is how this affects the female students they are unleashed on. It's going to take a victim successfully suing a coach for bringing a predator on campus to make it stop.

https://www.seccountry.com/mississi...five-star-dl-recruit-jeffery-simmons-revealed

 

[46885]

and yet bama STILL after all these years catches nothing to get in any trouble while everyone else in their own conference and division is getting cracked down on finally. Even UT is getting away with murder now and nothing is coming of it

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Well thank goodness he was only repeatedly punching a woman in the face. At least he wasn't smoking a little bit of pot, or getting paid to sign an autograph.

Football all kinds of effed up right now.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Well thank goodness he was only repeatedly punching a woman in the face. At least he wasn't smoking a little bit of pot, or getting paid to sign an autograph.

Football all kinds of effed up right now.

Or taking GNC products

 

[MJWilliamson]

Yep

 

[alaskanseminole]

So, you pop a girl once in the face at a bar after she knees you and you're expelled from school. You repeatedly punch a girl on who is lying on the ground and you get laps and a one-game suspension? Makes sense.


disclaimer: not justifying the former...just summarizing comparative situation.

 

[MJWilliamson]

A FSU fan trying to make this all about the unbearable unfairness of being a FSU player.

Imagine that.

 

[alaskanseminole]

A FSU fan trying to make this all about the unbearable unfairness of being a FSU player.

Imagine that.

Yes, that's the point being made. [rolls eyes, explodes through top of head in process]

The FSU player was not treated unfairly. Instead, the non-FSU player appears to have received preferential treatment.

Punching a girl = expulsion.
Punching a girl repeatedly = laps.

Please explain.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Dude, stop trying to make nearly every.fracking.thread about you and FSU.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Dude, stop trying to make nearly every.fracking.thread about you and FSU.

Actually, you made it about FSU. I made it about circumstances and never stated an FSU player was being unfairly treated (you asserted that all on your own). Please feel free to insert an example of your choosing that illustrates a similar circumstance where a player strikes a woman and gets dismissed from a team; whereas this player strikes a woman repeatedly and basically gets a slap on the wrist. The "gripe" is the under-punishment, not some ploy to "cry" about over-punishment.

I await your justification.

 

[sadgator]

sadgator is the last dude in the world that would make excuses for this type of behavior; however, if you haven't watched the video, you should. The dude was breaking up a fight between two out of control chicks. It wasn't like he just punched some chick out of anger or rage. He may have been able to do it differently, but it isn't even like he was trying to knock her out or anything. He is trying to get her off the other chick.

If he has been an otherwise good kid and this is a one time isolated incident, sadgator would hate to see the kid's life ruined because of it. That said, sadgator knows nothing about who the kid is.

 

[alaskanseminole]

sadgator is the last dude in the world that would make excuses for this type of behavior; however, if you haven't watched the video, you should. The dude was breaking up a fight between two out of control chicks. It wasn't like he just punched some chick out of anger or rage. He may have been able to do it differently, but it isn't even like he was trying to knock her out or anything. He is trying to get her off the other chick.

If he has been an otherwise good kid and this is a one time isolated incident, sadgator would hate to see the kid's life ruined because of it. That said, sadgator knows nothing about who the kid is.

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Thanks for the video, sad. My comments were based on the OP's version, "...5 star DL that repeatedly punched a woman in the head while she was laying on the ground."

I agree the video shows a different version than what was posted in the thread. However, pulling her off should have sufficed...no need to punch her repeatedly; however, had it been a guy this wouldn't even be a discussion. I can see where this thread will go too, same old discussion...is it ever okay to hit a woman?

 

[sadgator]

And it clearly is not ok to do that. No doubt a meaningful punishment is deserved, but if sadgator was a coach and this kid was otherwise a very good kid and made a mistake in handling this out of control situation, sadgator would probably be inclined to give him a second chance. Mullen is hardly "selling his soul" here. That's all sadgator is saying.

 

[alaskanseminole]

And it clearly is not ok to do that. No doubt a meaningful punishment is deserved, but if sadgator was a coach and this kid was otherwise a very good kid and made a mistake in handling this out of control situation, sadgator would probably be inclined to give him a second chance. Mullen is hardly "selling his soul" here. That's all sadgator is saying.

in light of new evidence, igloo does not disagree with sadgator.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Actually, you made it about FSU. I made it about circumstances and never stated an FSU player was being unfairly treated (you asserted that all on your own).

Oh just stop it. You insult our intelligence as well as yours.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Oh just stop it. You insult our intelligence as well as yours.

And still no direct answer to a direct question.

by all means, though, old friend, carry on with your assumptions and conspiracy theories.

 

[MJWilliamson]

You wrote;

So, you pop a girl once in the face at a bar after she knees you and you're expelled from school.

That is clearly referencing a FSU player.

So stop being an ass. If you can manage it.

 

[alaskanseminole]

You wrote;

So, you pop a girl once in the face at a bar after she knees you and you're expelled from school.

That is clearly referencing a FSU player.

So stop being an ass. If you can manage it.

Why are you so dadgum wrapped around the axle by the source of the example; especially given my qualification of intent--it's not about FSU or any perceived mistreatment. The illustration was simply a reference point to show that punishment amongst these universities for similar crimes is not consistent. This, of course, was also prior to sad's video evidence not to mention its easier to pull readily available examples from my head rather than google some random university I couldn't care less about.

Regardless, you still can't seem to answer a simple question, so allow me to redirect it.

without factoring in the video provided after my initial inquiry, do you or do you not see disparity between striking a woman once and getting dismissed from a football team and striking a woman multiple times and getting laps and a single game suspension?

You're starting to sound like shime in your old age, MJ.

 

[mcanes]

A FSU fan trying to make this all about the unbearable unfairness of being a FSU player.

Imagine that.

The spin Ms. Dottie teaches these slant people is amazing on one had they had a kid punch a girl in the face, yet when the star tailback punched a girl they found a way to sweep in under the rug, similar to what ole piss is doing.

Same ole f$u...stars play on Saturday and other players get the boot.

GO Canes!

 

[alaskanseminole]

The spin Ms. Dottie teaches these slant people is amazing on one had they had a kid punch a girl in the face, yet when the star tailback punched a girl they found a way to sweep in under the rug, similar to what ole piss is doing.

Same ole f$u...stars play on Saturday and other players get the boot.

CO-Caine!

Apparently suspension and trial with jury = swept under rug in cane-speak.

 

[Nolec]

The spin Ms. Dottie teaches these slant people is amazing on one had they had a kid punch a girl in the face, yet when the star tailback punched a girl they found a way to sweep in under the rug, similar to what ole piss is doing.

Same ole f$u...stars play on Saturday and other players get the boot.

GO Canes!

You would think that even a Cane would scrounge enough intelligence to grasp the difference between a jury finding Cook not guilty of a misdemeanor battery charge and the Miss. player on video seen repeatedly punching the girl. Maybe it is too much of a reach?

 

[mcanes]

Amazing how the Baylor incident appears to mirror what went on with f$u as well, but again the local cops and administration did all it could to sweep it under the rug, amazing.

GO Canes!

 

[alaskanseminole]

Amazing how the Baylor incident appears to mirror what went on with f$u as well, but again the local cops and administration did all it could to sweep it under the rug, amazing.

GO Canes!

Don't worry Marv, maybe scUM can become relevant again one day, so they can have a little controversy as well.

 

[MJWilliamson]

So, just as Igloo wanted, this is become a FSU pissing contest.

 

[Nolec]

Amazing how the Baylor incident appears to mirror what went on with f$u as well, but again the local cops and administration did all it could to sweep it under the rug, amazing.

GO Canes!

Amazing is the quick spin the Cane did when owned on the Ole Miss post and goes right into an ill-contrived Baylor spin. Sad one-trick, drive-by kind of pony that Cane is.

 

[Dr. Nole]

And still no direct answer to a direct question.

by all means, though, old friend, carry on with your assumptions and conspiracy theories.

MJ has been pretty fair to me here and I appreciate that. He does seem to be pretty wired up though when an FSU fan makes even a reasonable post.

 

[alaskanseminole]

So, just as Igloo wanted, this is become a FSU pissing contest.

First person to mention FSU and redirect thread to FSU? MJ

First person to turn this into a smack thread? mcanes

First person blamed? igloo

Discussions in between bickering? sad and igloo somehow manage to stay on topic.

Recommendation? Boot mcanes and MJ from thread since they can't seem to stay focused.

Final thoughts? MJ still can't answer a simple question, BUT has the ability to saddle up his scapegoat and dance around said topic like a drunk cowboy...or in short, ability to mimic shime to near perfection.

 

[alaskanseminole]

MJ has been pretty fair to me here and I appreciate that. He does seem to be pretty wired up though when an FSU fan makes even a reasonable post.

And me as well...his jimmies have been oddly ruffled, though, in the off-season. Early sign of dementia?

 

[Gator22222]

Here is a video with a better angle of the punches being thrown.

He may have initially been trying to break up a fight. However, at this point he is standing over the woman as she lays on the ground by herself. Simmons starts landing repeated punches to her head in rapid succession as the other combatant stands over her and lands a punch as well.

That is no longer breaking up a fight. The two combatants were already separated. Simmons chose to strike her in the head with a closed fist repeatedly even though she was laying on the ground and at that point helpless. He continued striking her as the other original combatant joins in.

He then walks away no longer worried about breaking it up as his relative kicks the woman several times. He walks back again and watches his relative continue the fray. It seems he is only interested in stopping the fight when his relative is losing and allows it to continue when his relative is winning. Some may see that as breaking up a fight. I see that as helping your relative by joining the fight. I see very little serious intent to stop anything. He could have pulled his relative away and ended things at any point. Instead, he chooses to join in and allow the fight to continue.

It sure looks to me like he is acting in rage and is trying to do damage. Anyone that thinks this is OK needs to rethink their priorities.

In this video you can hear one of the many toddlers and young children that were witnessing the event.

 

[MJWilliamson]

MJ has been pretty fair to me here and I appreciate that. He does seem to be pretty wired up though when an FSU fan makes even a reasonable post.

We just get a bit annoyed when you guys make every thread about FSU. That is what Igloo tried. To make matters worse, he was not intellectually honest enough to admit it.

 

[alaskanseminole]

We just get a bit annoyed when you guys make every thread about FSU. That is what Igloo tried. To make matters worse, he was not intellectually honest enough to admit it.

Seriously? You are literally the poster who turned this into an FSU thread and continue to do so. Just because I used an FSU example to illustrate the differentiating treatment between football players at different universities doesn't mean this is an FSU thread. You chose to make it so. So who's not being honest?

 

[MJWilliamson]

Damn you are dense.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Damn you are dense.

Dense would imply that I don't comprehend what you're trying to assert. However, that isn't the case here. I understood your "concern" and addressed it immediately in my response to your hyper-sensitive post, "Dude, stop trying to make nearly every.fracking.thread about you and FSU."

Unfortunately, you've bitten some old rusty hook that I didn't cast and can't seem to get off of it. That, kind sir, isn't my fault...it is yours.

p.s.
Still awaiting an answer to the question that is 100% on topic.

 

[MJWilliamson]

And he keeps fighting it. Keeps denying it.

'Splain all you want to buddy.

 

[sadgator]

Here is a video with a better angle of the punches being thrown.

He may have initially been trying to break up a fight. However, at this point he is standing over the woman as she lays on the ground by herself. Simmons starts landing repeated punches to her head in rapid succession as the other combatant stands over her and lands a punch as well.

That is no longer breaking up a fight. The two combatants were already separated. Simmons chose to strike her in the head with a closed fist repeatedly even though she was laying on the ground and at that point helpless. He continued striking her as the other original combatant joins in.

He then walks away no longer worried about breaking it up as his relative kicks the woman several times. He walks back again and watches his relative continue the fray. It seems he is only interested in stopping the fight when his relative is losing and allows it to continue when his relative is winning. Some may see that as breaking up a fight. I see that as helping your relative by joining the fight. I see very little serious intent to stop anything. He could have pulled his relative away and ended things at any point. Instead, he chooses to join in and allow the fight to continue.

It sure looks to me like he is acting in rage and is trying to do damage. Anyone that thinks this is OK needs to rethink their priorities.

In this video you can hear one of the many toddlers and young children that were witnessing the event.

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Definitely not OK. It was a terrible scene, and he had a terrible reaction to it. It is troubling for sure. But if you watch, he actually does shove his relative away when she continues to hit the woman on the ground after he hits her. sadgator doesn't know what the right answer is here, but he is glad he is not the one making it. Let's all hope the kid gets proper counseling and makes the most of his opportunity to redeem his character.

 

[Dr. Nole]

And he keeps fighting it. Keeps denying it.

'Splain all you want to buddy.

Come on MJ....

 

[alaskanseminole]

Come on MJ....

I'm going to say no one is this dumb (even MJ), so we'll go with trolling.

 

[Gator22222]

Definitely not OK. It was a terrible scene, and he had a terrible reaction to it. It is troubling for sure. But if you watch, he actually does shove his relative away when she continues to hit the woman on the ground after he hits her. sadgator doesn't know what the right answer is here, but he is glad he is not the one making it. Let's all hope the kid gets proper counseling and makes the most of his opportunity to redeem his character.

I agree with everything you say except that he was trying to break up the fight. When he grabs the combatant that is not his relative he wraps his arms around her body and attempts to pull her away from his relative with force.

The video I supplied begins with Simmons standing above the woman as she lies on the ground. He then lands 12 punches (by my count) with a closed fist to her head as she tries desperately to cover her face and head with her arms. She is not involved in any act at that time other than laying on the ground trying to ward off the blows of a 6'2" 235 pound man. As he is beating her his relative joins in and lands multiple punches to her head as well.

When his relative is administering a beating he nudges her a vey small distance and walks away as she continues the beating. He returns and nudges her again and watches as she again continues the beating.

At no time does he make any genuine effort to prevent his relative from beating the other combatant.

That is not breaking up a fight. That is joining a fight to help your relative.

 

[Gator22222]

The worst part of this whole incident is the number of toddlers and small children that witnessed a large man and his relative beating and kicking a woman as she lay on the ground. At one point the woman was pushed to the ground and landed a few feet from two small children.

No one in the large crowd intervenes to stop the beating. No one calls the police as no incident report, investigation or arrests were made until the videos hit the internet. Everyone acts as though this is just normal. This is how you resolve disputes. If you are unhappy with something someone has said you throw them to the ground and beat them in broad daylight in front of a large crowd and then walk away.

At the end of some of the videos you can see a very small child appear to walk off with Simmons after the beating is over.

It is beyond me how anyone could behave in this fashion at all, but it is mind blowing that anyone would consciously choose to act this way in front of children.

Simmons obviously did not see his act as anything out of the ordinary. He was willing to beat a woman as she lay on the ground while dozens of witnesses watched and recorded the event.

What happens when he takes these values to a university and someone says something he doesn't like? I understand giving people a second chance, but what about the women at the university that are now going to be exposed to Simmons and his version of justice? Does the university have an obligation to safeguard it's students or only an obligation to give football players a second chance? I feel very strongly that a non-athlete applying for admittance at MSU would be turned away if they were in a video of this nature that went viral.

If Simmons goes to MSU and beats a female student then Mullins and the university as a whole are complicit for bringing a known predator on campus.

 

[mnole03]

There's a difference between breaking up a fight and finishing it for someone.

I'll give Mississippi State's AD a hand for so closely mirroring the statement from the father of the Stanford rapist. He made this one easy.