Down by 2 pts. at the half on a missed 3 pointer by Leon at the buzzer.
It's still anybody's game with the half-time score at UF 32 - 34 aTm.
It's still anybody's game with the half-time score at UF 32 - 34 aTm.
Looks like we have a coaching issue
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Of course Florida is the only team in dire need of a win to protect the conference and still gets no help from the refs. So glad those losers are finished, they do whatever it takes to lose no matter what because they don't have a single player that can grab a god damn ball in any sport. Our women are the only teams in any sport that are coordinated. Florida is the cream of the crop of recruiting a bunch of stone hand uncoordinated bums, don't have a single guy that can catch a ball in any mens sport. It's absolutely pathetic watching that uncoordinated trash out there every year offensively in every major sport.
They lost the game on two possessions with 3 minutes left, tie game. They had them turned over in the paint, 2 gators fight for the ball and what should have been a fast break ends up being a layup for aTm. Then DFS just tosses them the ball from the top of the key for another layup. Both kind of lucky plays. Too bad.
I don't mind the NIT. If they make the Final 4, I can go watch them in MSG. I saw the Nick Calathes/Chandler Parsons team there back in 08. They got smoked by UMASS, unfortunately.
Yea, we were there in 2008. We had a good time. We also took in a Yankees game at the old stadium and watched a show, Jersey Boys.
I'll tell you who has a coaching issue: LSU. They should fire him immediately. I've seen better offenses at the YMCA.
Coach White's 1st season ends at 19-14, 10-10 SEC, not a loser season in either.
That was against the #10 SoS overall, #3 SoS in the SEC, per the tourney commentators.
So, for a 1st season, I'm liking him pretty good, even if they go one & done in the NIT.
PS
At PG, Kasey Hill looked pretty good in his last 2 games.
As I've said, it's not the PG's talent levels, it's been their in-consistency all season....
> And it's still >> GREAT, to be, a F-L-O-R-I-D-A Gator!
That was against the #10 SoS overall, #3 SoS in the SEC, per the tourney commentators.
So, for a 1st season, I'm liking him pretty good, even if they go one & done in the NIT.
PS
At PG, Kasey Hill looked pretty good in his last 2 games.
As I've said, it's not the PG's talent levels, it's been their in-consistency all season....
> And it's still >> GREAT, to be, a F-L-O-R-I-D-A Gator!
If hill can play like he did at the end of the season and chiozza can play like he did at the beginning of the season, they'll have some pieces to start next year with. Egbunu and Allen are good. They just have to find some shooting. D-rob is probably their most important player. If he can score consistently, they'll have a pretty solid starting group.
Now you're talking crazy. Even when we went to our last final 4, we couldn't catch the ball.
Because we had Yeguete and Young out there to kick it around mixed with Prather trying to keep up.
Sounds like they turned down the NIT so they wouldn't force Simmons to sit out in order to stay healthy for the draft. It's probably tough to coach up a kid who's running your program.
NIT Opener - UF 97 - 68 UNF (-29) -- UF was 16 of 32 (50%) from the Arc.
"It was really fun out there," Hill said. "When you're hitting shots like that it definitely gets you going on defense, as well."
Added Finney-Smith: "It was just one of those games where we caught fire as a team. For whatever reason, we defend better when we make shots."
Current 2015-16 Stats:
PG Kasey Hill Jr - FG 106-271, 39.1% - 3 Pt 17-59, 28.8% - FT 70-127, 55.1%
RB - Off-11, Def-69, Tot-80 - Ast-108, T/O-66, Blk-11, Stl-49, Pt-299, Pts/Gm 8.8
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 1.64 to 1
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PG Chris Chiozza Soph - FG 82-214, 34.0% - 3 Pt 40-124, 32.3% - FT 43-54, 79.6%
RB - Off-10, Def-91, Tot-101 - Ast-148, T/O-63 - Blk-2, Stl-38, Pt-247, Pts/Gm 7.3
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 2.35 to 1
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SG/PG KeV Allen Fr - FG 123-309, 39.8% - 3 Pt 48-150, 32.0% - FT 95-113, 84.1%
RB - Off-17, Def-72, Tot-89 - Ast-55 T/O-33, Blk-5, Stl-37, Pts-389, Pt/Gm 11.4
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 1.67 to 1
The PG's each have their own high points and low points, but to say that they all lack talent is incorrect imo. Hill is the best defender. Chiozza is the best ball handler and rebounder. Allen is the best shooter. Like the rest of the team, their consistency from game to game has been the team's major problem this season.
Currently 20-14 on the season. (another 20 win season)
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SF Devin Robinson Soph 6-8 195 Soph
GAMES PLAYED 34 - 788 minutes played
MINUTES PER GAME 23.2
POINTS PER GAME 9.3
FG PERCENTAGE .473
3 Pt FG PERCENTAGE .356
FT PERCENTAGE .750
REBOUNDS PER GAME 5.6
ASSISTS PER GAME 0.4
TURNOVERS PER GAME 0.8
STEALS PER GAME 0.5
BLOCKS PER GAME 0.6
Much better at blocking shots and in FT %.
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SF Justin Leon 6-8 196 Jr (juco xfer)
GAMES PLAYED 32 - 466 minutes played
MINUTES PER GAME 14.6
POINTS PER GAME 4.9
FG PERCENTAGE .485
3 Pt FG PERCENTAGE .355
FT PERCENTAGE .417
REBOUNDS PER GAME 2.9
ASSISTS PER GAME 0.3
TURNOVERS PER GAME 0.6
STEALS PER GAME 0.3
BLOCKS PER GAME 0.1
A slightly better FG % and much better at Ast's per minute played.
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SF/PF Keith Stone 6-8 233 **** took a freshman redshirt so we'll have to wait till next year to see how he fits in at the forward slots. (he was a FL 2A 1st Team All State)
"It was really fun out there," Hill said. "When you're hitting shots like that it definitely gets you going on defense, as well."
Added Finney-Smith: "It was just one of those games where we caught fire as a team. For whatever reason, we defend better when we make shots."
Current 2015-16 Stats:
PG Kasey Hill Jr - FG 106-271, 39.1% - 3 Pt 17-59, 28.8% - FT 70-127, 55.1%
RB - Off-11, Def-69, Tot-80 - Ast-108, T/O-66, Blk-11, Stl-49, Pt-299, Pts/Gm 8.8
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 1.64 to 1
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PG Chris Chiozza Soph - FG 82-214, 34.0% - 3 Pt 40-124, 32.3% - FT 43-54, 79.6%
RB - Off-10, Def-91, Tot-101 - Ast-148, T/O-63 - Blk-2, Stl-38, Pt-247, Pts/Gm 7.3
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 2.35 to 1
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SG/PG KeV Allen Fr - FG 123-309, 39.8% - 3 Pt 48-150, 32.0% - FT 95-113, 84.1%
RB - Off-17, Def-72, Tot-89 - Ast-55 T/O-33, Blk-5, Stl-37, Pts-389, Pt/Gm 11.4
* Point Guard Assist to Turn-over Ratio = 1.67 to 1
The PG's each have their own high points and low points, but to say that they all lack talent is incorrect imo. Hill is the best defender. Chiozza is the best ball handler and rebounder. Allen is the best shooter. Like the rest of the team, their consistency from game to game has been the team's major problem this season.
Currently 20-14 on the season. (another 20 win season)
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SF Devin Robinson Soph 6-8 195 Soph
GAMES PLAYED 34 - 788 minutes played
MINUTES PER GAME 23.2
POINTS PER GAME 9.3
FG PERCENTAGE .473
3 Pt FG PERCENTAGE .356
FT PERCENTAGE .750
REBOUNDS PER GAME 5.6
ASSISTS PER GAME 0.4
TURNOVERS PER GAME 0.8
STEALS PER GAME 0.5
BLOCKS PER GAME 0.6
Much better at blocking shots and in FT %.
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SF Justin Leon 6-8 196 Jr (juco xfer)
GAMES PLAYED 32 - 466 minutes played
MINUTES PER GAME 14.6
POINTS PER GAME 4.9
FG PERCENTAGE .485
3 Pt FG PERCENTAGE .355
FT PERCENTAGE .417
REBOUNDS PER GAME 2.9
ASSISTS PER GAME 0.3
TURNOVERS PER GAME 0.6
STEALS PER GAME 0.3
BLOCKS PER GAME 0.1
A slightly better FG % and much better at Ast's per minute played.
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SF/PF Keith Stone 6-8 233 **** took a freshman redshirt so we'll have to wait till next year to see how he fits in at the forward slots. (he was a FL 2A 1st Team All State)
It's time to give Schuyler Rimmer some serious minutes along with starting center Hayes.
Egbunu rsSo 6-11 255 >> Rimmer Jr 6-10 245 >> Hayes tFr 6-9 210
Rimmer - His most minutes played in a game was (14) in the win over WVa.
Season: 3 Ast's, 5 Blk's, 29 Rbs
FG's 13-30, 43.3%
FT's - 9-10, 90.0%
3 Pt - 1-1, 100%
Letting Rimmer share the playing time with Hayes also lets them share the fouls. Don't wait until Hayes either fouls out, (or has to play weak defense) before using Rimmer.
But of course coach White knows what he's doing, as opposed to me just yappin' about what I 'think' is going on.....
Egbunu rsSo 6-11 255 >> Rimmer Jr 6-10 245 >> Hayes tFr 6-9 210
Rimmer - His most minutes played in a game was (14) in the win over WVa.
Season: 3 Ast's, 5 Blk's, 29 Rbs
FG's 13-30, 43.3%
FT's - 9-10, 90.0%
3 Pt - 1-1, 100%
Letting Rimmer share the playing time with Hayes also lets them share the fouls. Don't wait until Hayes either fouls out, (or has to play weak defense)
before using Rimmer. But of course coach White knows what he's doing, as opposed to me just yappin' about what I 'think' is going on.....
So far Rimmer looks horrible. That last 3 minutes of the half was ugly and Rimmer's inability to play D was a big part of it.
Jus-damn then!
I've been letting it record so that I can watch it without the commercials or the long-winded half time break.
Comments to come later, but we all new that not having Big John was bound to hurt them some.
I've been letting it record so that I can watch it without the commercials or the long-winded half time break.
Comments to come later, but we all new that not having Big John was bound to hurt them some.
Kasey Hill has been outstanding these last 4 games. A couple of bad turnovers today, but other than that he is play really well.
Overall I agree. He has gotten better recently. I still cringe when he misses a layup and gets fouled. His FT shooting is still abysmal.
Regular season 18-13 - 9-9 SEC
SEC Tourney 1-1 - 10-10 SEC
Total Regular Season 19-14 - 10-10 SEC
NIT - All Away Games, O'Dome renovations.
20-14 UF 97 - 68 @ UNF (-29)
21-14 UF 74 - 66 @ tOSU (-8)
Next up - UF @ Georgetown
Coach White just tied for the winningest 1st year B-Ball coach in UF history with 21 wins.
If they can win @ Georgetown, he will be alone in 1st place with 22 wins and on the way to the NIT's Garden Party...
BillyD's 1st year - 13 wins, 2nd year - 15 wins, final year - 16 wins.
(jus-sayin')
SEC Tourney 1-1 - 10-10 SEC
Total Regular Season 19-14 - 10-10 SEC
NIT - All Away Games, O'Dome renovations.
20-14 UF 97 - 68 @ UNF (-29)
21-14 UF 74 - 66 @ tOSU (-8)
Next up - UF @ Georgetown
Coach White just tied for the winningest 1st year B-Ball coach in UF history with 21 wins.
If they can win @ Georgetown, he will be alone in 1st place with 22 wins and on the way to the NIT's Garden Party...
BillyD's 1st year - 13 wins, 2nd year - 15 wins, final year - 16 wins.
(jus-sayin')
You're jus' sayin' what, that White's trajectory puts him on pace to take us to more than four final 4s and two national championships? Any comparison at this point is absurd.
I don't know how much an NIT final 4 means, or even a championship, but I agree that these extra games, against near-tournament teams, are helpful to White and to the players, since they will almost all be back. I'm encouraged by the way we've played to close out the year. White has made some curious decisions with his lineups (i.e. giving Francis-Ramirez big minutes instead of playing Hill and Chiozza together), but he seems to have figured out the best combinations at this point, and he has definitely kept these guys playing hard.
If Monmouth had beat George Washington last night, I could have watched the Gators tomorrow night, 20 minutes from my office, 20 bucks for floor seats! Hopefully, I'll get to catch them at MSG, which will cost me a lot more than 20 bucks.
I don't know how much an NIT final 4 means, or even a championship, but I agree that these extra games, against near-tournament teams, are helpful to White and to the players, since they will almost all be back. I'm encouraged by the way we've played to close out the year. White has made some curious decisions with his lineups (i.e. giving Francis-Ramirez big minutes instead of playing Hill and Chiozza together), but he seems to have figured out the best combinations at this point, and he has definitely kept these guys playing hard.
If Monmouth had beat George Washington last night, I could have watched the Gators tomorrow night, 20 minutes from my office, 20 bucks for floor seats! Hopefully, I'll get to catch them at MSG, which will cost me a lot more than 20 bucks.
Brad, I'm just defending White against those that have been all over UF's new 1st year B-Ball coach. They seem to think that they KNOW everything about him, and where he will take the Gators.
Where he goes, NOBODY knows, at this point.
However, where he's gone in just his 1st season is out there for ANY 'fair-minded' fan to see. At this point, I'm VERY HAPPY with the hire, and I'm very hopeful for the future.
And that's all that I'm saying...
(I'm pretty sure that a lot of them will eventually be riding in the back of my wagon)
Where he goes, NOBODY knows, at this point.
However, where he's gone in just his 1st season is out there for ANY 'fair-minded' fan to see. At this point, I'm VERY HAPPY with the hire, and I'm very hopeful for the future.
And that's all that I'm saying...
(I'm pretty sure that a lot of them will eventually be riding in the back of my wagon)
Brad, I'm just defending White against those that have been all over UF's new 1st year B-Ball coach. They seem to think that they KNOW everything about him, and where he will take the Gators.
Where he goes, NOBODY knows, at this point.
However, where he's gone in just his 1st season is out there for ANY 'fair-minded' fan to see. At this point, I'm VERY HAPPY with the hire, and I'm very hopeful for the future.
And that's all that I'm saying...
(I'm pretty sure that a lot of them will eventually be riding in the back of my wagon)
Fair enough. Although I think this board has been pretty fair to him. He's had some uneven moments. I'm a little disappointed we didn't make the tournament, but I acknowledge that there's only so much a coach can do for a team that doesn't make shots all year. I think two or three games over .500 in league would have done it, and the league was really bad. We had a couple good wins, hung in there but lost against some good teams, and had some really bad losses.
White took over a losing record team and he has gone 21-14 vs a Top 50 RPI.
Inconsistency shooting the ball, not poor coaching, was been the obvious problem imo.
This has been especially true at the undefended FREE throw line, costing them several games.
Learning his team and it's individual players requires that he do some testing of different lineups and making constant adjustments in the systems. It's very much a learning process for both the players and the coaches in this 1st year, and judging by the last 4-5 games, they have all learned some important things that they can carry over into next season.
FACT:
White is one win away from being the Gator's All Time Winningest 1st year B-Ball coach.
I doubt that any of the doubters would have predicted that back in October, just like the same doubters would not have given McElwain any shot at 10 wins and the SECe-C. I much prefer to be positive about both where we/they are, and where we're all going.
Okla was a high seed Dance team that just lost to UK by 21 pts, (79 - 58).
At home, UF lost to UK by 9 pts.
Not making the dance is as much political as it is 'actual quality' imoho.
IMO, making solid 'team progress' is much more important in the 1st season, than being invited to the Dance is. Making the NIT gives them the continued games and practice time that they need, so I'm happy and okay with that. -- GooooooooGATORS!
Inconsistency shooting the ball, not poor coaching, was been the obvious problem imo.
This has been especially true at the undefended FREE throw line, costing them several games.
Learning his team and it's individual players requires that he do some testing of different lineups and making constant adjustments in the systems. It's very much a learning process for both the players and the coaches in this 1st year, and judging by the last 4-5 games, they have all learned some important things that they can carry over into next season.
FACT:
White is one win away from being the Gator's All Time Winningest 1st year B-Ball coach.
I doubt that any of the doubters would have predicted that back in October, just like the same doubters would not have given McElwain any shot at 10 wins and the SECe-C. I much prefer to be positive about both where we/they are, and where we're all going.
Okla was a high seed Dance team that just lost to UK by 21 pts, (79 - 58).
At home, UF lost to UK by 9 pts.
Not making the dance is as much political as it is 'actual quality' imoho.
IMO, making solid 'team progress' is much more important in the 1st season, than being invited to the Dance is. Making the NIT gives them the continued games and practice time that they need, so I'm happy and okay with that. -- GooooooooGATORS!
Are we serious? When this thread was started people were giving White all sorts of rope they weren't giving Mac.
Who said it was ridiculous?
Ahem.
The town drunk.
Who was right...hmmm
(Sorry but if the same logic is being used against Mac, then turn about is fair play)
Who said it was ridiculous?
Ahem.
The town drunk.
Who was right...hmmm
(Sorry but if the same logic is being used against Mac, then turn about is fair play)
It's just not the same situation. Implicit in any criticism of a coach is the presumption that a replacement could do better. If both Mac and White were fired tomorrow, which candidate pool do you think would be deeper, hoops or football?
Without question, Mac had a much better year than White. He won the East. But the late season struggles and a mediocre recruiting class have reasonably created doubts about whether Mac is the guy to have the Gators consistently competing for SEC titles, which is where I think most Gator fans reasonably expect the team to be. The same doubts exist about White, but the expectations are lower for hoops.
Name your willing and available replacements for either Mc or MW?
I really (jus-my-own-opinion) don't think that Foley could have done any better.
No matter who you hire, they are ALL a 'role of the dice' when they get to UF.
So, looking at the ACTUAL RESULTS of their 1st seasons, I'm THRILLED with both of the Gators new coaches. In fact, that goes for the new SEC-C gymnastics coach as well.
~ Mc did very well when he had a QB, then finished with 3 straight losses when he didn't.
~ MW did very well when the team could shoot the ball, (sucked when they couldn't spit and hit the floor) and has been excellent in 3 of their last 4 games. He does need to at least make it to the Garden Party to put the cherry on top imo, but either way, I'm still impressed and happy with the job that he and his staff have done so far.
* He'd get my vote for basketball's SEC CoY, IF he get's that 22nd win.
Doubt exists for you.
Current satisfaction and hope for the future exists for me.
Opinions vary among fans everywhere, and that's just fine with me.
Sa-lute....
