But the real question is would you classify yourself as a grad transfer?
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Yes but I'm currently in Tempe checking out ASU so don't consider me a lock to UF just yet.
Not sure you are smart enough to get in anyway. So it is all good.
Slowly but surely turning into Jar Jar Binks.
More like with stones, or being stoned by one thing or another...
Too bad that it's not by getting stoned the ole fashioned way, with rocks...
Too bad that it's not by getting stoned the ole fashioned way, with rocks...
But he'd better already be the greatest HS QB in history. Why? Because you and some others here know and have proven that Mc-Nuss couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag, as the saying goes....
Mac has been hard after him even before he committed to PSU. I really think we are in it until the end with a real shot. Zaire, Fields, Toney.....like where this is headed
Well, remember, we were talking about Fields visit to Tallahassee, so the gay talk was an obvious natural transition.
Malik - Fields - Toney,,, and also clear the roster of all those useless, sorry excuses for a QB. A total waste of ship money and space.
Sounds great to me,,, but don't they also need to hire the ole Cow-Chip Kelly to run that show the right way?
Sounds great to me,,, but don't they also need to hire the ole Cow-Chip Kelly to run that show the right way?
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only dumb people, or at least ignorant about football. He faced weaker competition, but he dominated the PAC 12 with a bunch of two and three star recruits
He wouldn't be a slam dunk like so many people think. He's not a good recruiter and doesn't care about defense and he would be playing in a tougher conference. I'm sure he would do pretty good here at UF but I still don't think he's in the same league as Spurrier or Meyer.
Yes UF had good offenses on those 3 national title teams but the reason why they won those titles is because our defense was top notch as well.
2001 is a prime example of a team that was very very good but that defense wasn't good enough and kept that team from winning a national title.
This just in. Fields and Corral to UF. Several other top QB prospects lining up to play for Nuss. "They may have more QB commits than schollies available says Rivals." Per Mel Kiper, "Nuss is a master at putting QB's in the league." "His play calling is genius." Saban is filing a protest on Nuss for tampering...
He is not a good recruiter, neither is Mac per se. First off, one game of 4.3 guys flying everywhere would recruit itself. So, if Chip Kelly came here and retained Seider and Shannon you don't think we would be instantly better? Honest question.
Bob Stoops, whom you are fond of, is a defensive coach but cannot field a defense. Why, Big 12 football is scoring. Same with the PAC 12.
Florida will always have defensive recruits wanting to come, ala CeCe.
I don't think anyone thinks he is Meyer or Spurrier, I just think objectively what he does fits the talent pool in Florida and the southeast very well. And his offense would make Saban's head spin.
Add to it Marcus Mariota is light years beyond any QB our guru has produced.
But we can pretend he is overrated until he is at TAMU, or worse yet, Tennessee, and we face him yearly. I think ine thing he bringa that Spurrier, and especially Meyer, figured out is there is no answer for speed. Mac is getting us a little faster but Chump and a couple years of Mac really lessened the speed here.
I'm fond of the Bob Stoops that used to have his teams play defense. I'm not fond of the Bob Stoops that we have seen the last several years where his teams play zero defense and it costs his team's chance of winning big games.
Clemson was the same way. They were good but their defense was terrible. Now they have started taking defense seriously and look what has happened.
No one has denied the importance of defense. But to pretend like Kelly is incapable of fielding a defense is silly.
In 2012, Oregon ranked 27th in points per game giving up 22.2 per game and that is with a shootout in 40-50 range one game. Only Stanford in the PAC 12 was ranked higher.
In 2014, Colorado St ranked 41st with 25.5 points per game.
So, whose offense would you rather have? And what has Mac done to prove he can field an elite defense on his own? This year should be a little bit of an indicator as we will only start 4(?) Chump recruits on D.
The Chip Kelly no defense and not recruiting things is way more myth than reality.
In 2014, Colorado St ranked 41st with 25.5 points per game.
So, whose offense would you rather have? And what has Mac done to prove he can field an elite defense on his own? This year should be a little bit of an indicator as we will only start 4(?) Chump recruits on D.
The Chip Kelly no defense and not recruiting things is way more myth than reality.
Yeah it's reality. Both of those things have probably kept him from winning any national titles at Oregon. Haven't people stated on here over and over again that you have to have top 10 recruiting classes to win a national title??
His last 3 classes were 14-12-14 in a state with zero homegrown talent and in the Pacific NW. With no established success before he arrived.
Now out him in Orange and Blue in Fla and the Southeast and he will hit top 10 on offensive talent alone
I don't think we would have beat that Miami team. Portis and Davenport in the backfield. Shockey and Andre Johnson catching passes. An all NFL defensive line anchored by Willfork. Vilma and DJ Williams at LB and Ed Reed, Rumph and Buchanon in the secondary. Sick, sick team.
But your overall point is correct. Gators championships have all been very good defensive teams, great defenses in the case of Meyer's two.
Defense is much more about talent than offense is. If you're light on o-line or your QB is immobile or you have slower receivers you can scheme around that. There's little you can do to scheme around issues on defense though. Like if you have a slow DB unit you might play more zone but then your dline gets hung out to dry when you can't send extra rushers.
Given their talent level Oregon's defenses weren't bad at all. Especially when you consider the amount of plays when they were on the field, if you're defending 70+ plays a game you're gonna give up yards and points. A better indicator of their effectiveness would be stats like YPP, 3rd down efficiency, pass efficiency, etc. and pretty sure those Oregon teams were usually good in those areas. I mean everybody tells me Nick Saban is a defensive genius and he has 1st round picks 3-deep yet gets torn up every year by spread offenses. Why are we being critical of Oregon for just being 'good' with second tier defensive recruits facing those same spread offenses week after week?
Given their talent level Oregon's defenses weren't bad at all. Especially when you consider the amount of plays when they were on the field, if you're defending 70+ plays a game you're gonna give up yards and points. A better indicator of their effectiveness would be stats like YPP, 3rd down efficiency, pass efficiency, etc. and pretty sure those Oregon teams were usually good in those areas. I mean everybody tells me Nick Saban is a defensive genius and he has 1st round picks 3-deep yet gets torn up every year by spread offenses. Why are we being critical of Oregon for just being 'good' with second tier defensive recruits facing those same spread offenses week after week?
That is exactly one of the issues with Chip Kelly. His offenses can expose his defense because they are on the field too long. If his offense ever had a bad game then they are really screwed. Too heavily reliant on 1 aspect of the game. Nick Saban?? No he doesn't do that much other than win tons of national titles and is one of the GOAT college football coaches. Other than that he's just average.
But teams with pure defense and no offensive advantage fall pray anytime they give up points, see the Will Muschamp era. Or Michigan under Harbaugh. Guys like Chip Kelly give Saban nightmares to the point he has tried to change NCAA rules to advantage him. Bama struggled in consecutive years with Clemson. 3 yards and a punt is as flawed as a high powered O that tires its D.
Again, let Chip come in and retain Shannon and Seider and I guarantee you we end up well ahead of this shit show
But then again, Urban's spread would never work in the SEC either
You're really calling the Bama offense 3 yards and a punt?
This is why your arguments are silly.
Well...that was just a complete sidestep of the argument. No one is calling Saban average. The entire point is that even he with all his 1st round picks aren't stopping high tempo offenses running 80+ plays a game. So why exactly is Oregon with their 2-3 star defenders supposed to be? And if you look at Oregon's efficiency numbers on defense they were regularly in the top half of the country, especially relevant to their talent, so this bad defense claim is largely myth.
So, incompetent Mc would need to have hired Cow-Chip's assistants for him, for him to have a chance..... Interesting (not really)
Two mental midgets arguing over who is taller....
The show just never ends here....
Wait, the head moron has just jumped in to straighten it all out between them...
Oregon's total defense:
2009- 35th
2010- 34th
2011- 67th
2012- 44th
So one bad year. And like I mentioned those numbers are skewed because it's going by total yards given up and they had to defend more plays than most of the top defenses. If you go by most of the advanced metrics they're even better. For example their yards per play for those 4 years were: 4.94 (2012), 5.07 (2011), 4.67 (2010), and 4.59 (2010). Alabama's yards per play during those same years (Top 5 in total defense ever year) was 4.08 (2009), 4.64 (2010), 3.32 (2011), and 4.18 (2012). So the difference in yards per play between Oregon and Alabama who was top 5 every one of those years was 0.51, 0.05, 1.75, and 0.76. Apart from 2011 literally no difference in effectiveness, yet the narrative is that Oregon's defenses weren't good all because people are too lazy to look past total yards given up without realizing they're defending way more plays than other teams.
2009- 35th
2010- 34th
2011- 67th
2012- 44th
So one bad year. And like I mentioned those numbers are skewed because it's going by total yards given up and they had to defend more plays than most of the top defenses. If you go by most of the advanced metrics they're even better. For example their yards per play for those 4 years were: 4.94 (2012), 5.07 (2011), 4.67 (2010), and 4.59 (2010). Alabama's yards per play during those same years (Top 5 in total defense ever year) was 4.08 (2009), 4.64 (2010), 3.32 (2011), and 4.18 (2012). So the difference in yards per play between Oregon and Alabama who was top 5 every one of those years was 0.51, 0.05, 1.75, and 0.76. Apart from 2011 literally no difference in effectiveness, yet the narrative is that Oregon's defenses weren't good all because people are too lazy to look past total yards given up without realizing they're defending way more plays than other teams.
Not under Kiffin, but under Mac and Nuss, yes.
Even Saban learned this crap Nuss puts on the field won't cut it with teams like auburn and Clemson out there. Thats why Kiffin was on campus weeks before Nuss "moved on"
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