Right!
No one wants to talk about it took decades to develop that vaccine…and a few more decades to get enough people to take it.
But now we’re all supposed to trip over ourselves for an unapproved vaccine.
Interested in truth about mRNA vax technology?
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No one wants to talk about it took decades to develop that vaccine…and a few more decades to get enough people to take it.
But now we’re all supposed to trip over ourselves for an unapproved vaccine.
You may want to believe him. He’s telling you that nearly 10% of his patients that are in trouble are vaccinated.
About the same I'm seeing here in the bay area. It's probably more like 80-90% unvaccinated at my hospital, a bit lower than what you're seeing, probably due to the higher vaccination rate here.
I see you're still debating with the adamant anti-vaxxers, I don't bother anymore. I know what I'm seeing, so whatever risk they wanna take is not my problem.
I think Dr. Malone's suggestions are not unreasonable. If the vaccine is not great at preventing transmission, which it appears that it isn't (I'm seeing a lot of vaccinated who test positive, they just don't get very sick), then it can indeed promote the rise of vaccine-resistant variants. It's like treating an infection with a partial course of antibiotics or a partially effective one, better than nothing at the time, but can promote resistant organisms over time.
Personally, I think if a lot of people don't want to take the vaccine, it's all the better for me. They take the risk of getting COVID, while reducing the likelihood of vaccine resistant variants for me. I can't think of a better outcome for me personally.
So let's roll back the clock a year ago:
Did any of the internet doctors here tell us that the vaccines wouldn't work?
They did not.
What if one of us critical thinkers had posted here a year ago that the vaccines wouldn't work, that the vaccinated could still catch covid, and that 10% of the worst covid cases would be the vaccinated?
Every internet doctor here would have shit themselves and said we were dangerous morons.
Yet a year later, here we are. And the internet doctors are still saying trust them....
Nope. Track records matter. They have been dead ass wrong about this vaccine at every turn.
They are the CNN of medical advice. No thanks.
We aren't anti-vaxxers. We are against unproven vaccines, and that's precisely what these vaccines are. Unproven and unapproved.
You people that took multiple jabs without questioning what you were putting in your body are the crazy ones. And low and behold, now the vaccinated are still getting covid, and still dying from covid.
How about that.
And the free clinic guy that said there was “no treatment for covid” just changed his stance to well “monoclonal treatments” are the only treatments that work for covid after telling me a few weeks back that his own state health department was full of crap and shouldn’t be listened to for recommending, wait for it…..monoclonal treatments.
You can’t make this stuff up. Reminder to self, avoid mcstuffins hospital at all cost.
I think we should all be careful arguing in absolutes.
But what I do agree with is the fact that if you predicted anything but unquestionable success you'd have been labelled disinformation. In fact, that's still the case despite evidence to the contrary.
I still think the vaccines help the vulnerable not die, but they also aren't what we were promised they were. It goes back to the "novel" concept. The vaccines do at least give your immune system the markers to recognize the virus when exposed. What your immune system does from there is going to vary quite a bit it seems.
It's complete BS to label people who are hesitant to take these vaccines "anti-vaxxers".
I've never turned down an approved inoculation for myself or my kids. When you use terms like that it comes off as defensive deflection. And honestly a little totalitarian...you're name calling to force compliance.
If anyone is actually working in critical care, then by default they are only be exposed to the most severe cases. The 'top' 1% of cases. Of course those cases will be far worse and far more would die. They don't send healthy people to critical care.
So I think any internet doctors that are citing stats from critical care are forgetting that they are reporting the most severe cases. Any case that makes it that far is going to be bad.
The other 99% are being overlooked. Either because their emotions are blinding them, or their agendas won't allow it.
The most severe flu or head cold cases probably look pretty bad too.
I get your point but no one's mind is being changed by this message board.
The vaccines are risky. The people that blindly cheerlead for them won't admit that.
If you are elderly or already have health risks, then you may decide that the risk from the vaccines are lower than your risk of what could happen to your compromised health if you get covid. I get that.
What I don't get is why there is such a push to have totally healthy people who will 99.9% be fine even if they catch covid, get the vaccine. The whole 'well they protect the unhealthy' argument doesn't make sense, since it seems the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus to the non-vaccinated.
Just so much disinformation and fear mongering. The main selling point for taking the vaccines isn't that you will be healthier if you do, it's that we will punish you if you don't.
Not the America I grew up with. Very sad how so many so-called Americans are willing to compromise their country's values so easily.
The vaccine has been remarkably successful. It is as effective as predicted against the original virus. It is safe and prevents death. Unfortunately the Delta variant has flourished largely due to the unvaccinated spreading it.
Every doctor would've told you that, because no vaccine is 100% safe or effective. Did you miss the part where a vaccine only needs to be 50% effective (or 50% ineffective, if you wanna look at it that way) to be approved?
While it's true that they're not as proven as other vaccines out there, the effects of COVID is proven. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than with COVID. You obviously don't, which is fine. Like I said, I don't care, so you do you.
My professional obligation is to educate, so if you post misinformation, I'd like to correct them. What you do with that information is entirely up to you. If you don't believe it, that's fine, if you believe and still don't want to get vaccinated, that's fine too. I just want to make sure that those who're looking for information can hear it from an actual doctor (or two) as well.
I guess I'm joining you for a bit!
I would disagree with this. I think despite what people are saying out there the vaccines do offer protection and I think the vast majority of people to get exposed do not get Covid or certainly don’t know they get it. We knew they had a failure rate of 10% give-and-take. When you look at our numbers the vast majority of people that are actually sick or unvaccinated. But there’s such a large percentage of populations that are unvaccinated in certain parts of the country that were seen surges in those parts of the country because there’s still a huge reservoir of unvaccinated people. I think the vaccines holding up fairly well.
Weird. The parts of the country that are having these huge outbreaks, mirrors the parts of the country that had these outbreaks at the same time of year last year. Interesting
I thought it was responsible for the most deaths of any vaccine ever?
BTW this guy is one of the internet doctors who touted the vaccine this time last year, and never told any of us that it wouldn't work a year later.
So you're saying all the internet doctors here knew that, but none of them told us?
Sad thing is, I can see that from the goobs we have posting here who claim to be medical experts.
And none of these vaccines are FDA approved, so they can't even hit 50% effectiveness?
I will. The potential health risks for taking the vaccine are known as well. The long-term risks are completely unknown. I'm young and healthy, so the vaccines appear to be a bigger health risk for me than catching a flu strain with the same mortality rate as the seasonal flu.
Good, we need new targets,
Isn't that exactly what I said?
I'm going back to the 95% number on infection and 99% on preventing death or serious complications.
Off by 10% is fairly close, but with each passing day efficacy is getting further from the initial promise (as are the easing of restrictions we were promised in exchange for taking an EUA vaccine).
Honestly haven’t been reading y’all’s post so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
We know, yet you tell others it’s misinformation. It might just be why no one is listening to you anymore.
This. If you are on the fence about taking the vaccines, each passing day there's new facts emerging that make you less likely to want to take one.
The vaccines clearly don't work. We were told they would keep you from getting covid, now the goalposts are being massively moved to say well you'll still get covid, but it probably won't be as bad.
If anything, it seems like the vaccines turn the vaccinated into carriers and spreaders of the virus to the unvaccinated.
Thanks for contributing
This kind of post is why I call you diabolical.
The other "vaccine-hesitant" posters here seem to be debating in good faith or are just legitimately dumb and simply can't help themselves. You, on the other hand, know better. But you twist things in insidious and divisive ways that cannot possibly be the result of a misunderstanding. You are doing this malevolently.
What is wrong with you? Do you fancy yourself as some kind of "agent of chaos," like the Joker, here to corrupt people and turn them against each other? I can't figure out what's in it for you. Whoever you are, you are profoundly disturbed.
I usually try to ignore him as much as I can stomach. He enjoys being an a-hole. Needs the attention.
Why did the dems vote against The Civil Rights Act?
What's diabolical is overlooking your own party's racism, then trying to project it onto another party.
Finally got to watch the last half of this last night.
Anyone taking shots at this guy needs to watch the last 10 minutes. @gator1776 - I think you'd be pretty surprised by some of the positions he takes. And he's making alot of sense.
Thats what I found funny about his initial response. First, he probably aligns more with the things doc has said in the past, second….the things he stated weren’t unreasonable or controversial.
I think the real reason why @Uniformed_ReRe is becoming so terrified by my posts is because he's starting to realize they make sense, and he's starting to wonder in the back of his mind if maybe he really HAS been hoodwinked all this time.
His rants and raves are a defense mechanism. Stop exposing me to facts and logic I haven't considered.
I always find it funny when folks say they are too busy, and then spend half the day (most days) posting on message boards.
Then why in the hell are you posting on a message board?
That takes a few seconds and it distracts me when I’m having bad moments. To spend 55 minutes watching something I don’t have time for that right now. What I choose to do with my extra 30 seconds though is up to me but thanks for your input.
You're welcome!
You obviously don't take time to read.
All I was recommending was the last 10 mins. He sums up why he's even discussing these subjects and sort of frames the situation in a way that would probably surprise most.
He doesn't watch cause he's concerned he might learn something that forces him to rethink his current stance.
That's called being close-minded. Close-minded people tend to be less intelligent and more intolerant than their more learned counterparts.
Spends all day every day here, then an update on how patients are doing badly.
Hmmmm....
^^^^This is where I would put my money. It also explains his stance on “no treatments”, not listening to his own state health officials, to finally stating there is 1 treatment that works (monoclonal) that was in my post months ago when he was adamant there were no treatments, and a treatment recommended by his own state health official. Good times
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