Cars are designed for transportation.
This shouldn't be hard. You're so desperate to defend guns, you ask nonsensical questions.
In before the gun confiscation NUTS.....
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This shouldn't be hard. You're so desperate to defend guns, you ask nonsensical questions.
Do you think you have a higher chance of being shot or hit by a car today?
OK, so a bow and arrow qualifies? What about a machete or a mace? I could certainly kill a man with a sledgehammer as well.
And where is it defined that "arms" have to be able to kill? Where is it defined that "arms" are machines?
Do you see the folly in your argument and can you please just google something like "Does the Bill of Rights limit personal freedom or Federal power" - or even something simpler like "what does the Bill of Rights limit"?
You'll learn something, I can promise you that much. This is day 1, ground level US Civics.
No, we're pointing out how wrong your basic argument is...the questions are ridiculous because you're argument is backwards.
The Bill of Rights was written to limit the power of the Federal Gov't and cede all other authority to the people and the states. You're arguing the exact opposite. This isn't hard and it's not debatable.
As an example, I don't think the FF's would have appreciated the banning of machine guns. The entire purpose of the 2A was to make sure the gov't couldn't tyrannically enslave/subjugate the populace by force (because they had literally just been through that). And Biden's example of "you couldn't own a cannon" in their time is false as well, if you know history...supporting my point that the entire goal was to empower individuals to be able to protect their lives, livelihood and personal property from any threat, foreign or domestic.
I don't love guns. We have a few handguns for personal protection in a fingerprint safe under my bed, but I don't go shooting for fun or read guns and ammo...I just happen to understand 3rd grade civics.
If you remove firearm suicides, cars by far.
Over half of all gun deaths are suicide.
Can you answer me this...because it will help me make my decision with you. Are you trolling? Because I find it almost IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to be this uninformed. (this is as kind as I can make this point without calling you a name)
Guns do not need to be defended...just for your education here...they are an inanimate object.( this means they are dead and will never move unless something moves them) Actually they do not move, talk, walk or FIRE by themselves. It takes a PERSON in 99.9999999999% of any case to make a bullet come out of the barrell!
Are we sure this is not another sock account. Seems like BSC or DMF with another screen name
I am not 'trolling' when I say "if you are bearing arms, your right to bear arms has not been infringed."
That is a simple fact.
I guess my question is...you do not REALLY believe everything you are posting. You are trying to get a rise out of everyone because you feel you are superior to the people here, and just want a reaction. I come here to DEBATE...not for some little CS's need to play games.
No it isn't.
We've been through this.
If I want to hunt deer and all the gov't will let me have is a bolt action .22 cal rifle, or if I want to protect my home and all I can legally possess is a gas powered pellet gun, my rights have been infringed AF.
I generally believe everything but I'm not above silliness like saying pickup owners shouldn't be allowed to have guns.
Some of you people tend to call those with different opinions 'trolls'.
And do you really come here to 'debate' or just to call the other side dumb?
You're only guaranteed the right to bear arms. If you have a rifle, you are armed. You could argue that 'bearing arms' is plural so you'd have to be allowed 2 weapons.
Correct. The Constitution however does not limit the number or type of guns that can be owned.
You know that, but you are ignore that. That's why you get accused of trolling. Because that's what you are doing.
3 arms is plural as well. So is 30,000.
Are you sure you don't understand why you get accused of trolling here?
LOL So in the first sentence you admit that you aren't above trolling, then in the second sentence you try to play the victim for being called a troll.
We deserve better.
It doesn't mention a number but it only commits to 'bearing arms'.
You are in fact 'bearing arms' when you have two qualifying weapons.
Correct. You are also exercising your constitutional rights if you own 2,000 qualifying weapons.
I want to be entertained. It's why you are honestly one of my favorite posters here.
Trolling trolly troll post is troll-like.
You're no longer being a serious person. You're out of decent arguments, which means you know you've lost the debate.
Which is fine, no one can win them all.
No, I honestly want to be challenged with quality counterpoints and logical arguments. It either reinforces my positions or makes me reconsider them. That's sort of the whole point.
Gaslighting and strawmen are a waste of time and the stuff of internet trolls. Don't act like a troll, try to make a cogent argument.
Do me a favor. When you change your opinion on something based on quality counterpoints and logical arguments presented by your opponent, tag me.
Most people's style of 'debate' here is to dig in and not budge.
I understand history and the FF's intent on this issue, but I'm just "dug in"?
How bout this, when you have an even halfway reasonable argument that the FF's intent was to allow the Federal gov't to only allow me to own (2) .22cal bolt action rifles when they penned the 2A, please make it so I can consider your position.
Until then, stop trolling, it's a bad look for a grown man. Surely you have more productive things to do with your life?
I thought we had settled this. The 1st amendment doesn’t give you the right to unlimited speech. Why are you not self censoring here? You were given your 2 posts. That was enough from you.
First there would need to be a quality counterpoint. You have failed to offer anything ITT that is reasonable, or logical.
Your views are extreme, and ignorant at best. As such, they should be responded to accordingly.
You make this part VERY hard, son. just so that you know why I am asking..you bring ZERO information that I find useful, so I was just checking before I put you on ignore. Seems to me you are just DMF or BSC with a different screen name. They being NOTHING also...so BYE BYE, son
What part of limit do you not understand?
Are you being obtuse or do you actually not know what it means?
And as @RussellCasse mentioned, how do you feel about limiting your free speech?
If you're good with it, I'd like to limit your free speech with regards to gun control.
Biden is truly an idiot. My neighbor has a friend who has a cannon. They tow junk cars to a pasture every now and then and hammer them with a cannon in the middle of a field. 😂
What most of us want is adults that can debate a topic intelligently.
What we get about 99% of the time is talking points from our lefty and 'moderate' posters.
We ask them to defend the talking points, and they either refuse and leave the thread, or they shift gears and start personally attacking.
Then they claim we just want an echo chamber.
What we want is more REAL moderate/centrist posters like @bradleygator @armbar73 and @grandhavendiddy. They can actually debate a topic and go past talking points.
The rest of you cannot. So you either resort to name-calling or trolling. Then complain about there being an echo chamber here.
He's never changed his mind on anything despite new information being presented to him constantly.
Remember when he asked to see evidence of voter fraud? When we showed it to him, he said 'well that's from Twitter, I don't listen to Twitter'.
Dr Jan Halper-Hayes nailed it: The 20% that are still asleep refuse to process new information. It's absolutely maddening.
Despite @GatorTheo's projection attempts, Trump supporters change their opinions all the time. Look at how our opinions evolved on covid in 2020 and 2021 as NEW INFORMATION was presented.
Look at how most Trump supporters adapted their thinking toward DeSantis in 2022 and this year as NEW INFORMATION was presented.
Trump supporters do this all the time because Trump supporters are intelligent and objective thinkers. Our lib and RINO friends are the exact opposite.
Your fear of inanimate objects like guns isn't going to move the needle one millimeter. Where do you get this idea it will? Guns don't kill, unhinged lunatics do, and until they stop, guns are the best deterrent. When will you ever learn?
re. the first vs. second amendment that keeps coming up
Let me see if I can help you all think it thru.
The first amendment states "congress SHALL MAKE NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH..."
So.....NO LAW. Some of you keep mentioning only getting a certain amount of free speech but that makes no sense because there will be NO LAW abridging the freedom of speech.
You would have a point IF the second amendment said "congress will make no law regarding bearing arms". But that is not what the second amendment says.
I hope that clears up your confusion but, honestly, I'm not very confident.
Let me see if I can help you all think it thru.
The first amendment states "congress SHALL MAKE NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH..."
So.....NO LAW. Some of you keep mentioning only getting a certain amount of free speech but that makes no sense because there will be NO LAW abridging the freedom of speech.
You would have a point IF the second amendment said "congress will make no law regarding bearing arms". But that is not what the second amendment says.
I hope that clears up your confusion but, honestly, I'm not very confident.
I'm still confused about how you read that the 2nd Amendment restricts the number of guns you can buy.
We didn't take his first troll attempt seriously enough, so now he's resetting it LOL
I dunno about the rest of you, but this has been my constant experience dealing with trolls on EVERY other message board I have EVER posted on before this one.
On EVERY other board, when you realize you are being trolled, you call the troll out, they laugh, ha ha you got me, and move on.
Here, the trolling is so bad it's obvious from the first post. When you call it out, they ignore you.
When you keep calling it out, they start bitching AT YOU for NOT TAKING THEM SERIOUSLY!
If you continue not taking them seriously, they complain to the mods that YOU have ruined the board and made it a dreaded ECHO CHAMBER.
I swear I have never seen troll behavior like this on ANY other board on the internet. We are the only spot on the internet where our trolls try to paint themselves as the victims when you don't fall for their trolls LOL
It doesn't but it also doesn't preclude restrictions on numbers.
Look at it this way.....if I promise you 'free cheeseburgers', once I've given you two, I've fulfilled my promise. I don't have to give you anymore because I already gave you 'free cheeseburgers'.
EXACTKY why I come here and post. And I have learned a bunch. But these trolls do not make it fun. So from now on, if you cannot bring info that I can learn from, bye bye.
