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Here's what I will say about this. It was okay to send Ukraine humanitarian aid and some equipment and ammunition to defend themselves, but this never ending funding has to cease. I believe we have sent over 100 billion dollars with no receipts to show for it.
At least 113B has been allocated

The US doing this without defending our own southern border is atrocious. We could have spent 25 billion and had wall to wall coverage, which is a drop in the bucket compared to what will be spent on these intruders once they are entrenched here. In fact, we could have built the wall on Mexico's southern border for a song because their geography and narrow entrance.
Absolutely should have spent the 25B...it wouldhave saved over 100B in welfare to illegals.
Back to the spending in Ukraine, let Europe foot the bill. It's time for the EU to put on their big boy pants for a change, they do a lot of huffing and puffing but don't lift a finger to prove it.
Oh Europe should absolutely pony up more to help pay the bill...especially "rich" countries like France and Germany. Trump was demanding it for NATO and getting it.
 
I will agree with @DCandtheUTBand on one thing: Putin IS evil. I think many Trump supporters downplay his true nature, and a few even almost revere him. But he's not a nice guy.

Where I think he misses it is......the people running Ukraine and the US are even more evil. It's not even close. So there is no 'supporting Ukraine' to be done. All our money going to Ukraine does is fund evil people doing evil things.
Seriously? How many countries has Ukraine invaded?
The more money we send Ukraine, the more the evil people pocket. And the more we send, the greater the chance that Ukraine will kill a few thousand civilians, just to get a 'return' on that money, and ensure that we keep sending more.

Anyone that wants to truly support Ukraine, doesn't want to send them a penny.
So they can defend themselves from Russia with sticks, stones and dirt clods? Weapons cost money.

That's the quickest way to ensure the safety of Ukraine.
What? Yea the quickest way for the woman to stop the beating is to give in to the rape. But, but she a prostitute so who cares right?
This whole idea that we gotta stop Putin before he marches through Western Europe then comes for the US is 1980s=era hogwash.
Ah so president Reagan was full of hogwash for building up the military and taking on Russia. I think TDS goes two ways. The deranged haters are obvious. But the deranged followers are deluded as well. I would take Reagan 10 out of 10 times over anyone that came after him and most before.

I got over my Trump hatred when Cruz buried the hatchet. I will happily vote for Trump if he gets the nomination. But the pro-Trump idolizers have to tear down the standard bearer and denigrate that era because their guy is a cad and very un-statesman like.

His character vs Reagan is like comparing a turd to solid gold. To help you figure it out, Reagan is the gold and Trump is the turd.
This has nothing to do with Putin. It's all about the far MORE evil people in the US and in Europe. They are the real enemy.
Oh we have many enemies. Hamas, Biden, Putin, Xi, lil Kim, Maduro, Kahmenini, Assad, Erdogan...

I dont list Zelenski among them. Having to pay protection money to the west to do what they should have been doing since the 90s does not make him evil. France UK and the USoA "guaranteed" Ukraine territorial integrity with the Budapest Memorandum (1994). It might have well have been signed on TP.
 
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Seriously? How many countries has Ukraine invaded?

So they can defend themselves from Russia with sticks, stones and dirt clods? Weapons cost money.


What? Yea the quickest way for the woman to stop the beating is to give in to the rape. But, but she a prostitute so who cares right?

Ah so president Reagan was full of hogwash for building up the military and taking on Russia. I think TDS goes two ways. The deranged haters are obvious. But the deranged followers are deluded as well. I would take Reagan 10 out of 10 times over anyone that came after him and most before.

I got over my Trump hatred when Cruz buried the hatchet. I will happily vote for Trump if he gets the nomination. But the pro-Trump idolizers have to tear down the standard bearer and denigrate that era because their guy is a cad and very un-statesman like.

His character vs Reagan is like comparing a turd to solid gold. To help you figure it out, Reagan is the gold and Trump is the turd.

Oh we have many enemies. Hamas, Biden, Putin, Xi, lil Kim, Maduro, Kahmenini, Assad, Erdogan...

I dont list Zelenski among them. Having to pay protection money to the west to do what they should have been doing since the 90s does not make him evil. France UK and the USoA "guaranteed" Ukraine territorial integrity with the Budapest Memorandum (1994). It might have well have been signed on TP.
Trump is a turd and always will be one. But he's our turd. And he really doesn't need this hassle, he rich beyond our comprehension. I really believe he's trying to do the right thing for the country.
 
And the silly part? He is using our trillions in debt as a qualifier to justify billions in laundered money.
Its called perspective. I dont like the laundering but I am open to figuring out how we arm Ukraine minus the laundering.
The mental gymnastics it takes to call 113 billion dollars….pennies. Good lawd.
Its math. Its pennies on the dollar in GDP or revenue. When you shop I hope you look at the cost per oz, lbs etc.
And I guarantee the actual numbers are much higher.

The good news is that the majority see through the BS. Another 6 months and Ukraine will be so toxic no one will want to touch it. We.Are.Winning. On that front, but unfortunately it’s coming at a cost to every day Americans.

America First! Will post it again because Candace nails it.

Nah, I will know you are serious about debt and deficits when you, like I have, call for the abolition of the welfare state, phasing out of SS, Medicare and medicaid. Until then its crocodile tears used to undermine the war effort because Zelenski has been giving Don Biden protection money. And thats icing on the whiners cake as if there wa no laundering the argument would still be the debt but only because Biden the Hapless is the CiC.

I pick my battles (the ones I support) carefully. Had zer0 taken on Iran, China, Russia, Venezuela or NK I would have supported that. I did not support Libya, Syria or interfering in Egypt. Clinton repeatedly supported the wrong guys. Bush got bamboozled by Putin.

I supported RUSSIA in their war in Chechnya. The evil b@stard Putin was the lesser of the evils. I keep silent about China and Uyghurs. I was for Serbia defeating Kosovo.
 
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Seriously? How many countries has Ukraine invaded?
They are helping fund an invasion against the United States as we speak. Do you really not see the consequences of putting $150 B to $175 B into the pockets of some of the most evil people in the world?

People who LITERALLY want to see the United States destroyed?

So they can defend themselves from Russia with sticks, stones and dirt clods? Weapons cost money.
How do they defend themselves from their own leaders? The ones that will happily put them in a position to be killed by Russia....for the right price from our dems.

Ah so president Reagan was full of hogwash for building up the military and taking on Russia. I think TDS goes two ways. The deranged haters are obvious. But the deranged followers are deluded as well. I would take Reagan 10 out of 10 times over anyone that came after him and most before.
Not what I said. At. All. I am saying the fight we had with Russia in the 50s-80s is completely different than the fight we have with them now.

I honestly think you have no idea what this is really about or what is really happening.
 
Nail, I was telling my wife on our walk tonight that I am not depressed but do have a sense of doom. Every single time in my adult life when I start making headway some sh*t happens. I think this country may have peeked in 1999.

In 1995 I told my FIL that China and terrorism would be a big problem for us and that we should not give China MFN status.

In 1998 I told people at work we needed a revived SEATO with India in and Pakistan out.

I wrote a letter sometime after the USS Cole to Sen. Fred Thompson imploring him to help do something about Bin Laden. I didnt know much about the guy but that he was a terrorist and bad news for us.

After 911 I told co-workers we would be in Afghanistan for decades if not for the rest of our lifetimes. I was asked if I was a communist? LOL I was keeping it real not opposing the war.

I have been looking to retire to the woods since zer0 got elected. How in the world does someone with Muslim roots and a Muslim name get elected POTUS in the USoA when the war on terror is still ongoing?

This thread was started because it was easy to see as this is a repeat of the past.

Walter Cronkite was a leftist and the media has been subversive at least since him if not before. The average American's IQ is 98 according to Sunny. Someone is cooking the books just like they are with global warming.

Homosexual marriage was a trojan horse for all the woke problems we have today. Since it became legal half the pubs have embraced it. Heck our side trots out Rubin all the time. Americans are fickle and easily swayed by the media to eventually support any socialist or socially liberal cause. The average democrat is an uneducated moronic urbanite whose religion is secular humanism

. The culture is in full rot. People are mentally ill. I am in leadership in scouting and a large portion of the youth today suck. They are irredeemable. Its not because of them as individuals but because there are too many of them and the culture will not lend itself to correction. If half your own side will surrender on every social issue out there then how can it be corrected?

Half this country or more is not worth saving. If some purple haired ghoul is out protesting and gets injured, I am not rendering aid.

I literally can not get to the woods soon enough!

Oh these lyrics call to out to this ole hillbilly!!!

 
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I honestly think you have no idea what this is really about or what is really happening.
You may be right and I do not claim to be an expert but I have loosely followed Ukrainian politics since this woman ascended to power and was later railroaded by traitorous Ukrainian minions of Russia.

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You may be right and I do not claim to be an expert but I have loosely followed Ukrainian politics since this woman ascended to power and was later railroaded by traitorous Ukrainian minions of Russia.

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Are you familiar with Zelensky's prior occupation? The timeline for his ascension to power? How he's said no more elections, he's basically dictator for life now?

How that overlaps with the coup in Saudi Arabia that led to the majority of their rulers being jailed on corruption charges?

Putin agreed to peace in April 2022, but Biden and Boris Johnson blocked it? I think you not only have the players wrong, but their roles and the game being played as well.

BTW between Putin and George W Bush, who would you say is more evil?
 
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Brandon already caving in...media to follow. It has started already. Good thging Israel gives ZERO chits what anyone else thinks. OBLITERATE Hamas..and ANYONE else that wants o come play. Peace THROUGH strength
 
Pennies on the dollar.

This is what walking and chewing gum looks like…

And that’s the point, when you collectively add all the “pennies on the dollar” that we spend you get…. The World we live in now. Cities collapsing, violence increasing, corruption increasing, and your cost if living….through the roof.

But hey, as long as we keep regurgitating talking points, all will be fine.

“Pennies on the dollar, walk and chew gum”
 
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Pennies on the dollar got us here….
NO IT DID NOT!

Woodrow Wilson and 1913 was step 1 ( Fed Reserve, Income tax and decoupling the Senate from state legislatures)
1 prints fiat money
2 allowed the masking of the problems, blames debt on revenue when it is spending, It is the blame game that exacerbates class warfare and divides and conquers the masses.
3 allowed for unfunded mandates and other spending that the states would have absolutely rejected.

FDR, the New Deal, his breaking of SCOTUS was step 2

Unconstitutional programs were created and finally allowed after FDR threatened to pack the court. He was 0-fer at SCOTUS in his new deal programs before that threat. After that they all mysteriously became constitutional.

LBJs worst society coupled with Nixons gold/fiat actions were the final step (or maybe zer0care.)

FDR paved the way for Johnson's programs. They too are unconstitutional. The final straw was going full fiat ( Nixon) as there was now no barriers on spending and the fed became a printing press used to fund irresponsible and unconstitutional government.

" The Heritage Foundation published a report on the 50th anniversary (2014) of Johnson's "Great Society" speech. Data shows that poverty rates dropped dramatically between the end of World War II and 1964. And yet, despite expenditures of more than $22 trillion since 1964 ( to 2014) , the poverty rate has consistently remained between 12% and 15%."-

Since 2014 we have spent at least 10T on the worst society. It is NO coincidence that the debt almost matches the social spending. IT, the worst soceity, IS the debt and deficit and it is on autopilot.


YOU/WE/America WILL not solve this problem UNTIL social spending is eradicated. IT is a CANCER. B*itching about foreign aid which is INSIGNIFICANT and did NOT get us here solves nothing.

Now not to leave you hanging HERE is the solution and it has to be done in order.

1 Constitutional amendment for term limits. Current swamp creatures must be grandfathered or it will not pass.
2 Balanced budget amendment with cap on GDP of 18%. (4.5T budget) #1 is a prerequisite for even beginning to talk about #2 because the swamp creatures fear cutting off the "drug" to the masses.
3 repeal the 17th amendment. State legislature will put the kabosh on the Senate if the Senators are once again beholding to them instead of the masses.
4 Repeal the 16th amendment and replace with the Fair Tax. No more goosing gubment while we struggle to make ends meet. Want a tax cut when inflation is kicking your personal finances @ss then cut your personal spending, buy used and watch the swamp creatures run around on fire.
5 watch people go to work because they have to in order to eat. More workers = more GDP= more revenue
 
NO IT DID NOT!

Woodrow Wilson and 1913 was step 1 ( Fed Reserve, Income tax and decoupling the Senate from state legislatures)
1 prints fiat money
2 allowed the masking of the problems, blames debt on revenue when it is spending, It is the blame game that exacerbates class warfare and divides and conquers the masses.
3 allowed for unfunded mandates and other spending that the states would have absolutely rejected.

FDR, the New Deal, his breaking of SCOTUS was step 2

Unconstitutional programs were created and finally allowed after FDR threatened to pack the court. He was 0-fer at SCOTUS in his new deal programs before that threat. After that they all mysteriously became constitutional.

LBJs worst society coupled with Nixons gold/fiat actions were the final step (or maybe zer0care.)

FDR paved the way for Johnson's programs. They too are unconstitutional. The final straw was going full fiat ( Nixon) as there was now no barriers on spending and the fed became a printing press used to fund irresponsible and unconstitutional government.

" The Heritage Foundation published a report on the 50th anniversary (2014) of Johnson's "Great Society" speech. Data shows that poverty rates dropped dramatically between the end of World War II and 1964. And yet, despite expenditures of more than $22 trillion since 1964 ( to 2014) , the poverty rate has consistently remained between 12% and 15%."-

Since 2014 we have spent at least 10T on the worst society. It is NO coincidence that the debt almost matches the social spending. IT, the worst soceity, IS the debt and deficit and it is on autopilot.


YOU/WE/America WILL not solve this problem UNTIL social spending is eradicated. IT is a CANCER. B*itching about foreign aid which is INSIGNIFICANT and did NOT get us here solves nothing.

Now not to leave you hanging HERE is the solution and it has to be done in order.

1 Constitutional amendment for term limits. Current swamp creatures must be grandfathered or it will not pass.
2 Balanced budget amendment with cap on GDP of 18%. (4.5T budget) #1 is a prerequisite for even beginning to talk about #2 because the swamp creatures fear cutting off the "drug" to the masses.
3 repeal the 17th amendment. State legislature will put the kabosh on the Senate if the Senators are once again beholding to them instead of the masses.
4 Repeal the 16th amendment and replace with the Fair Tax. No more goosing gubment while we struggle to make ends meet. Want a tax cut when inflation is kicking your personal finances @ss then cut your personal spending, buy used and watch the swamp creatures run around on fire.
5 watch people go to work because they have to in order to eat. More workers = more GDP= more revenue
YES IT DID!!! See, my capitalization button works also. Why are you yelling?

I don’t disagree with much of what you said, except…..

Spending. On everything, including spending money on other countries that we have no business spending it on, along with the items you mentioned has contributed to getting us where we are. On the brink. If you don’t believe all of it has a cumulative effect, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Maybe remedial economics and math? Whether you like it or not, 1+1 still equals 2.

Bottom line. A little common sense. If my family is upside down financially, I am making sure I got food on the table before I go blowing it on a party at my neighbors. That said, this wasn’t “foreign aid” anyway. But it’s cute that you believe that.

Sorry, you’re just wrong.

And FWIW, not every dollar that we give to other countries goes into the “foreign aid” bucket.

Curious. How much has the US spent on wars, foreign aid, humanitarian aid, and other spending in/on foreign countries/citizens since 2000?

What about hidden funding? Like biolabs in Ukraine? How much do you know about government budgeting and various buckets? Where money is allocated, but put in a different bucket….yet spent elsewhere?

Asking for a friend.

Last thing I will say on this. It’s not 1980 anymore. We are no longer the Good Ole US of A. We are a corrupt nation that has lostcredibility to throw those stones at other glass houses. We must rebuild the Glass house with 🧱. It sucks, but a deep cleaning is necessary. We can no longer be the moral authority.

We gotta stop acting like foreign policy of 1980 works today. It doesn’t. Just like politics can’t be played like it’s 1980. We have passed the Rubicon brother.
 
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YES IT DID!!! See, my capitalization button works also. Why are you yelling?

I don’t disagree with much of what you said, except…..

Spending. On everything, including spending money on other countries that we have no business spending it on, along with the items you mentioned has contributed to getting us where we are. On the brink. If you don’t believe all of it has a cumulative effect, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Maybe remedial economics and math? Whether you like it or not, 1+1 still equals 2.

Bottom line. A little common sense. If my family is upside down financially, I am making sure I got food on the table before I go blowing it on a party at my neighbors. That said, this wasn’t “foreign aid” anyway. But it’s cute that you believe that.

Sorry, you’re just wrong.
If you are on the verge of bankruptcy and you think cutting out that cup of coffee is going to help, well the judge is going to laugh at you because he is going to look at your house, car, credit cards, medical debt etc and not that 3 cent cup of home brewed Joe. 70 years of drinking home brew will not be factor in you being a million dollars in debt. That's common sense and perspective.

And if pubs want to cut spending to Ukraine its shortsighted. They are foreign and we are giving them money and weapons. I believe that meets the definition. Unless EU ponies up they will be defeated by Russia and subjugated. I support Jordan BTW even if I disagree on this issue.

Lastly when I use caps its not yelling
..i know thats how its used most of the time...it's me speaking with emphasis .
 
If you are on the verge of bankruptcy and you think cutting out that cup of coffee is going to help, well the judge is going to laugh at you because he is going to look at your house, car, credit cards, medical debt etc and not that 3 cent cup of home brewed Joe. 70 years of drinking home brew will not be factor in you being a million dollars in debt. That's common sense and perspective.

And if pubs want to cut spending to Ukraine its shortsighted. They are foreign and we are giving them money and weapons. I believe that meets the definition. Unless EU ponies up they will be defeated by Russia and subjugated. I support Jordan BTW even if I disagree on this issue.

Lastly when I use caps its not yelling
..i know thats how its used most of the time...it's me speaking with emphasis .
Much more than a cup of coffee is spent globally sir.

Again. I edited after you posted so will copy it here.

Last thing I will say on this. It’s not 1980 anymore. We are no longer the Good Ole US of A. We are a corrupt nation that has lostcredibility to throw those stones at other glass houses. We must rebuild the Glass house with 🧱. It sucks, but a deep cleaning is necessary. We can no longer be the moral authority.

We gotta stop acting like foreign policy of 1980 works today. It doesn’t. Just like politics can’t be played like it’s 1980. We have passed the Rubicon brother.
 
@DCandtheUTBand

And FWIW, yeah….the 100s of billions we spend on other countries could do alot to help us chew gum….errrr help our vets.
Want to help vets...help them buy insurance and cut out the welfare state...Why do we have a VA when it is substandard? Shouldn't a Vet be going to Vanderbilt,Emory, Mayo or Johns Hopkins?

My dad has gotten squat from the VA.

His medicare and supplemental has seen him pay zero for some very costly care. Grandkids and great grands will be paying that bill


"According to the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees’ 2023 reports, Medicare and Social Security now exceed $78 trillion in long‐term unfunded obligations. This equates to an obligation of more than $600,000 for every U.S. household. That’s three times all the goods and services produced in the United States last year, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP)."


78T > 33T but that is additive so 111T of debt.
 
Want to help vets...help them buy insurance and cut out the welfare state...
Why don't we just give them the $200B that we paid to Ukraine?

Asking for a friend.

Last thing I will say on this. It’s not 1980 anymore. We are no longer the Good Ole US of A. We are a corrupt nation that has lostcredibility to throw those stones at other glass houses. We must rebuild the Glass house with 🧱. It sucks, but a deep cleaning is necessary. We can no longer be the moral authority.

We gotta stop acting like foreign policy of 1980 works today. It doesn’t. Just like politics can’t be played like it’s 1980. We have passed the Rubicon brother.
I go back to Moneyball:

Scout: "We're focused on solving the problem"

Billy Beane: "Not like this, you're not. You're not even looking at the problem!"
 
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BTW I just checked....there are a little over 16 million vets in the US.

We could have taken that $200B and cut each and every vet in the US a check for $18,600.

I think that's a far better use of spending that money rather than giving it to Zelensky and the dems.
 
NO IT DID NOT!

Woodrow Wilson and 1913 was step 1 ( Fed Reserve, Income tax and decoupling the Senate from state legislatures)
1 prints fiat money
2 allowed the masking of the problems, blames debt on revenue when it is spending, It is the blame game that exacerbates class warfare and divides and conquers the masses.
3 allowed for unfunded mandates and other spending that the states would have absolutely rejected.

FDR, the New Deal, his breaking of SCOTUS was step 2

Unconstitutional programs were created and finally allowed after FDR threatened to pack the court. He was 0-fer at SCOTUS in his new deal programs before that threat. After that they all mysteriously became constitutional.

LBJs worst society coupled with Nixons gold/fiat actions were the final step (or maybe zer0care.)

FDR paved the way for Johnson's programs. They too are unconstitutional. The final straw was going full fiat ( Nixon) as there was now no barriers on spending and the fed became a printing press used to fund irresponsible and unconstitutional government.

" The Heritage Foundation published a report on the 50th anniversary (2014) of Johnson's "Great Society" speech. Data shows that poverty rates dropped dramatically between the end of World War II and 1964. And yet, despite expenditures of more than $22 trillion since 1964 ( to 2014) , the poverty rate has consistently remained between 12% and 15%."-

Since 2014 we have spent at least 10T on the worst society. It is NO coincidence that the debt almost matches the social spending. IT, the worst soceity, IS the debt and deficit and it is on autopilot.


YOU/WE/America WILL not solve this problem UNTIL social spending is eradicated. IT is a CANCER. B*itching about foreign aid which is INSIGNIFICANT and did NOT get us here solves nothing.

Now not to leave you hanging HERE is the solution and it has to be done in order.

1 Constitutional amendment for term limits. Current swamp creatures must be grandfathered or it will not pass.
2 Balanced budget amendment with cap on GDP of 18%. (4.5T budget) #1 is a prerequisite for even beginning to talk about #2 because the swamp creatures fear cutting off the "drug" to the masses.
3 repeal the 17th amendment. State legislature will put the kabosh on the Senate if the Senators are once again beholding to them instead of the masses.
4 Repeal the 16th amendment and replace with the Fair Tax. No more goosing gubment while we struggle to make ends meet. Want a tax cut when inflation is kicking your personal finances @ss then cut your personal spending, buy used and watch the swamp creatures run around on fire.
5 watch people go to work because they have to in order to eat. More workers = more GDP= more revenue
What is your definition of passing the "fair tax"? Consumption...or where everyone pays the same %? Because I am 100% AGAINST a consumption tax..and 100% FOR a FAIR tax rate that EVERYONE pays...no deductions
 
Want to help vets...help them buy insurance and cut out the welfare state...Why do we have a VA when it is substandard? Shouldn't a Vet be going to Vanderbilt,Emory, Mayo or Johns Hopkins?

My dad has gotten squat from the VA.

His medicare and supplemental has seen him pay zero for some very costly care. Grandkids and great grands will be paying that bill


"According to the Social Security and Medicare Boards of Trustees’ 2023 reports, Medicare and Social Security now exceed $78 trillion in long‐term unfunded obligations. This equates to an obligation of more than $600,000 for every U.S. household. That’s three times all the goods and services produced in the United States last year, as measured by gross domestic product (GDP)."


78T > 33T but that is additive so 111T of debt.
As a VET myself. That’s not the way. Sorry.
Medical care is only one component. There are multiple layers to the VA. Disability compensation, retirement compensation, survivor benefits, burial, the list goes on and on. And each one has issues.

And you still have yet to answer the question on government budgets. Ever worked with one?

Just want to be clear that there is much more spent in/on foreign countries than “foreign aid”

Spending outside of this country is bonkers.

I wonder what longterm and past spending on wars, foreign aid, “research”, humanitarian aid etc… looks like.

I wonder how easy it is to compile ALL those numbers. The fact you don’t think that spending outside of domestic, contributed to our current debt is laughable.

And to be clear, yes our domestic spending is awful as well. I am not the one trying to justify ANY of it, but truth be told….

I prefer spending on Americans much more than Zelenskys retirement, or any other foreign nonsense. Seems like you prefer the latter. Weird take. I would think a fiscal conservative would have a problem with that. Guess I was wrong.

Keep supporting Nazi 🇺🇦. I will stand with my fellow vets and Americans. Sound good?
 
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Meanwhile. Year 2 here trying to get a medical appointment for a military service related condition. Don’t mind me, I am just walking and chewing gum while counting my pennies on the dollar.

Sorry to hear this. I dont think the VA is fixable anymore than public education is fixable by throwing more money at it.
Glad we have Americans more concerned with Zelenskys retirement. SMDH.
I dont give 2 sh)ts about Zelenski.

If Yulia Tymoshenko or one of the Klitschko brothers were to take over would you support Ukraine then?
 
Sorry to hear this. I dont think the VA is fixable anymore than public education is fixable by throwing more money at it.

I dont give 2 sh)ts about Zelenski.

If Yulia Tymoshenko or one of the Klitschko brothers were to take over would you support Ukraine then?
We support AMERICA FIRST. This is not really that hard to understand. NATO is the one that needs to step up...not the USA. THEY are the ones that need US...not the other way around.
 
I wonder which bucket this will go in so it doesn’t look like we spend much in foreign aid. Oh, I see….National Security. If folks were aware of the true amount of money we spend outside of the US…..SMDH.

America Last. Americans Last.



 
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As for how government budgeting works…

One of the things that has always blown my mind….

Let’s just say you have a budget for supplies for A unit, ranges, munitions, or whatever…

Problem: You are incentivized to spend the entirety of your funds because if you don’t they will reduce your budget the next Fiscal Year.

This leads to spending money allocated for one bucket, into others….in desperate attempts to spend everything. Which is why spending in certain areas is far more than it would appear.

For example: A supply person has more supplies than they need, a person in munitions reaches out and says…I have a need. The supply person spends for the munitions person and all the sudden both needs are met. Supply person gets the same budget next year, and munitions gets a surplus. So yeah, we have spent more in Ukraine and elsewhere than it appears.

Also, never forget the little trick the pentagon pulled with the “6 billion oversight” in Ukraine. What did they do? They recalculated the value. When they initially did the numbers they took the replacement value (which is what they should be doing because those items will have to be replaced) and changed it to current value (think trade in or used value).

They think you are stupid.

Lastly,

It’s Seems like we should be incentivizing those who reduce their spending rather than those who blow through it all.
 
Sorry to hear this. I dont think the VA is fixable anymore than public education is fixable by throwing more money at it.

I dont give 2 sh)ts about Zelenski.

If Yulia Tymoshenko or one of the Klitschko brothers were to take over would you support Ukraine then?
VA: It could be vastly improved, but changes have to be made. Unfortunately, they probably won’t be. We incentivize and prioritize the wrong things. Spending and Nation building….errrr…money laundering.
 
Update. I hate to say I told you so, but…..

Just think, we could have done this without wasting hundreds of billions. But that would have involved no money laundering opportunities for politicians. Glad taxpayers could give them more wealth.

Oh, and FWIW….we still have 55,000 homeless vets, over a million waiting on medical benefits….and I am still waiting on a call.

Weird how quickly this Ukraine war will end now that the middle east is ablaze.

 
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I remember how urgent it was that we get involved. The world was coming to an end etc…

 
Quick update on how we are doing…The return on those pennies is pretty good. What say ye? I know I know, whats a couple hundred billion here, and a couple hundred billion there, and over there…? Enough here and theres and you get…

 
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