But the song remains the same. 4 for 14 from the FT line in a 3 point road loss to TAM. Wow.......They played really hard which was good to see.
Good effort by the hoops team tonight.....
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They do play hard, especially on defense and attacking the glass. They just can't get enough guys playing at a high level at the same time to beat the really good teams. Tonight, Robinson & Allen had off nights. Egbunu missed a cople of chippies and tried to force things too much when double and triple teamed. Kasey Hill was his usual turnover machine and missed 2 key free throws. Leon & Finney-Smith were great, but this team has enough talent to make the NCAA tournament, if they could just make free throws and cut back on dumb plays and dumb fouls.
Good points Ocala, but I don't think there is enough talent for NCAA team. Nobody can consistently knock down shots, and as mentioned piss poor FT. Good news is there are 13 games left to be played.
They played tough tonight despite the loss.
It is still so unsettling to not see Billy pacing the sideline. sadgator has not gotten used to it yet, and it is honestly affecting his ability to identify with the team. Almost harder than when Steve left .
It is still so unsettling to not see Billy pacing the sideline. sadgator has not gotten used to it yet, and it is honestly affecting his ability to identify with the team. Almost harder than when Steve left .
Kasey Hill
1-4 from the FT line
3-9 shooting from the Field
The reason we lost.
"Good Effort" is not going to cut it.
NIT, here we come
1-4 from the FT line
3-9 shooting from the Field
The reason we lost.
"Good Effort" is not going to cut it.
NIT, here we come
First year with a new coach and we've hung in there with some great teams. Our only bad loss has been to UT. I think Coach White will get it right, but we don't have the players. I'm hoping to see our free throw problem go away after this season, we've lost too many games to that. It was the 2011-2012 season when we last were "decent" (top 125) in free throws. Every season after that we've been 200+. This season and last season, we've been 300+. That's just unacceptable. I don't expect perfection but this is something that these guys should be much better at.
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You guys are tough on Kasey Hill. The inability to shoot, three pointers, jumpers, free throws, is a team-wide problem. He's a backup pg at this point, playing 20 min. a game. 7 points, 6 boards, 3 assists is a pretty good line for a bench player. Why would you want him to transfer? To clear minutes for Brandone Francis Ramirez? He's obviously not who he was supposed to be, but as a backup who can drive the ball, push pace and play perimeter defense, I think he's useful.
The team is the same as last year. Good athletes, good defensively, can't shoot a lick. Allen is the best player they've recruited since Beal and gives some hope for the future. My biggest gripe with White is that he can't find minutes for D-Rob. He has the best shooting touch on the team, he's their best athlete and he rebounds. Leon needs to be out there too, but you've got to find Robinson more than 18 minutes.
I think we've got an outside shot to go on a run in-league and go to the tournament, but I wouldn't mind the NIT. I just hope they play as many games as possible to give White a chance to install his style, which is a lot of fun when it's working.
The free throw shooting is just mind boggling. We'd have to recruit like Kentucky to make the tourney shooting free throws like this. It's already cost us three games that would be tourney resume builders.
The team is the same as last year. Good athletes, good defensively, can't shoot a lick. Allen is the best player they've recruited since Beal and gives some hope for the future. My biggest gripe with White is that he can't find minutes for D-Rob. He has the best shooting touch on the team, he's their best athlete and he rebounds. Leon needs to be out there too, but you've got to find Robinson more than 18 minutes.
I think we've got an outside shot to go on a run in-league and go to the tournament, but I wouldn't mind the NIT. I just hope they play as many games as possible to give White a chance to install his style, which is a lot of fun when it's working.
The free throw shooting is just mind boggling. We'd have to recruit like Kentucky to make the tourney shooting free throws like this. It's already cost us three games that would be tourney resume builders.
And then to go along with their shooting woes, there's this:
"UF did not shoot its first free throw until 17:15 remained in the second half of the game.
By then, A&M had already shot 11."
Miraculously, A&M didn't commit a single foul for the first 22:45 minutes of the game, and then they fouled very seldom after that, especially not if the Gators had pulled back close to even on the score board.
I don't care if the officials call a game tight or loose, but they need to call it FAIR!
Those double and triple teams were slap fests against our guys and went mostly uncalled.
IMO, the only reason for the NCAA to prevent coaches from discussing the refs in the post game, is to keep most people in the dark on how much the officials control the outcomes of the games. Big Business, ya know.... (and I'm sick of it)
"UF did not shoot its first free throw until 17:15 remained in the second half of the game.
By then, A&M had already shot 11."
Miraculously, A&M didn't commit a single foul for the first 22:45 minutes of the game, and then they fouled very seldom after that, especially not if the Gators had pulled back close to even on the score board.
I don't care if the officials call a game tight or loose, but they need to call it FAIR!
Those double and triple teams were slap fests against our guys and went mostly uncalled.
IMO, the only reason for the NCAA to prevent coaches from discussing the refs in the post game, is to keep most people in the dark on how much the officials control the outcomes of the games. Big Business, ya know....
(and I'm sick of it)
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I think Robinson got a chest contusion in the Tennessee game and maybe that's limited his minutes. And Justin Leon has played very well in his spot. But the bigger problem I see with him is that he falls asleep on the defensive end way too much. I agree that Robinson has great skills, but he's got to play both ends of the floor and his shooting this year, like Finney-Smith, has been worse than last year.
From the Sun;
At what point does White consider keeping junior point guard Kasey Hill off the floor in the final five minutes because of his poor free throw shooting and decision making? Hill did come up with a putback in transition to cut Texas A&M’s lead to 67-63 with a minute remaining, but in two prior trips down the floor had a pair of missed free throws and a wild drive that resulted in a poor shot attempt. Those were possessions the Gators couldn’t get back in a tight game. “A lot of decisions go through your head, late in a game,” White said. “I’m not sure what the right ones are. A guy steps up and makes two big free throws for you, then it was the right decision.”
At what point does White consider keeping junior point guard Kasey Hill off the floor in the final five minutes because of his poor free throw shooting and decision making? Hill did come up with a putback in transition to cut Texas A&M’s lead to 67-63 with a minute remaining, but in two prior trips down the floor had a pair of missed free throws and a wild drive that resulted in a poor shot attempt. Those were possessions the Gators couldn’t get back in a tight game. “A lot of decisions go through your head, late in a game,” White said. “I’m not sure what the right ones are. A guy steps up and makes two big free throws for you, then it was the right decision.”
Like I said earlier. I think it would be in Kasey's and UFs best interest if they just part ways in the offseason. I like Kasey and he seems like a good kid but things have not gone well for him at all on the court. A change in atmosphere may do him some good.
The fact that he's in the game should tell you something. This is a severely offensively challenged team, and Hill is one of the few guys who can create a shot on offense. If you look at the play by play, Hill came in the game with about 8 min. left down 10. We scored 19 points the rest of the way. Hill scored 5 of them and assisted on 8 more (he also threw in 4 rebounds and a block). We had 16 turnovers for the game and 8 missed free throws (Hill was responsible for 2 and 3 of them) aren't all of those "possessions the Gators couldn't get back"?
To just point out his missed free throws and a missed layup (which was not a wild drive, it was just a missed layup) is pretty selective and really just scapegoating the kid for team-wide problems. I don't have a problem with benching him late in games, because his free throw shooting is horrendous, but to say he is the reason we lost is incorrect. We have five players who can play minutes in the backcourt and two of them are DeVon Walker and Francis-Ramirez. I don't get why you would want Hill gone, even if we're all disappointed in his play to this point.
Between Mike White and the Gainesville Sun, I'll bet White knows more hoops. Again, the Sun is saying he should be benched late in games and citing 2 possessions as evidence, when a review of the actual box score shows that Hill scored or assisted on 2/3 of the points in the last 8 minutes and led the team in assists and rebounds during that period. It's a position based on an ill-informed perception.
And for all the heat Hill takes for his free throws, and he is atrocious at the line, he's made the second most on the team, behind just DFS. The reason why is that he is the best on the team at getting to the rim. The Gators struggle in the half court (putting it mildly) and want to run, and Kasey Hill is the fastest on the team with the ball. That is why he plays.
I'm not saying Hill has been good, he hasn't. But to look at this team and say the backup pg is the reason they're losing is based more on disappointment in Hill failing to live up to his rep than what is actually happening in the games.
And for all the heat Hill takes for his free throws, and he is atrocious at the line, he's made the second most on the team, behind just DFS. The reason why is that he is the best on the team at getting to the rim. The Gators struggle in the half court (putting it mildly) and want to run, and Kasey Hill is the fastest on the team with the ball. That is why he plays.
I'm not saying Hill has been good, he hasn't. But to look at this team and say the backup pg is the reason they're losing is based more on disappointment in Hill failing to live up to his rep than what is actually happening in the games.
Others (right here) are likely to deserve that observation (not smart) a lot more than Coach White does....
I have been watching the basketball team all year. Hill has been naything but clutch down the stretch. Even when we have had a good lead. He has done the same thing in most games
1.) drive to the basket. Which results in either;
a.)turn over
b.) missed basket
c.) foul called on opponent
2.) If fouled then:
a.) at least one missed FT, often two
He gets to the rim, but he rarely finishes. And often turns the ball over.
He was the starter. He lost that job due to the reasons articulated above.. I am glad he is getting fewer minutes. I realize he HAS to have minutes, due to lack of depth. But he does not need to be on the court late in tight games.
This is the point. White already benched him. He plays 20 minutes a game. But everybody's still piling on the kid, trying to blame him for team-wide offensive struggles. He probably won't be playing late minutes in most cases. Allen and Chiozza, the starters, will be. In the aTm game, he was playing because Allen was completely lost, and because Hill played a big part of a comeback from 10 points down with 8 minutes left.
Like the Sun, all your points are observational. If you look at the actual numbers, Hill is not that much of an outlier offensively. He shoots 34 %, which is dreadful, but not much worse than Chiozza (37%) or Allen (38 %). He shoots 52 % from the line. Egbunu shoots 57 % and Leon shoots 30 % (!)
On a team that shoots 42 % from the floor, a foul at the rim and hitting 1 out of 2 free throws is an objectively good offensive outcome, and it puts a foul on one of their bigs.
I agree that Chiozza and Allen should play more minutes, so does Mike White, apparently, because they do.
Anyway, I watched Ole Miss last night and think we have a good shot at them. Their pg is really good and a crazy athlete. He was flying around everywhere. But other than that, I think we have much better athletes and think we will be able to rebound and run on them. This is all presuming that Mike White can keep scourge of humanity Kasey Hill from ruining everything again.
In addition to the games listed by the SUN, he was on the court late in the FSU game. Those were all bad coaching decisions.
I hope so too. And I think he does read this board, given that a few weeks ago I suggested he start Chiozza over Hill and start reducing Hill's minutes.
And things have been going gangbusters ever since.
Naismith... Auerbach... Riley... MJWilliamson
And then to go along with their shooting woes, there's this:
"UF did not shoot its first free throw until 17:15 remained in the second half of the game.
By then, A&M had already shot 11."
Miraculously, A&M didn't commit a single foul for the first 22:45 minutes of the game, and then they fouled very seldom after that, especially not if the Gators had pulled back close to even on the score board.
I don't care if the officials call a game tight or loose, but they need to call it FAIR!
Those double and triple teams were slap fests against our guys and went mostly uncalled.
IMO, the only reason for the NCAA to prevent coaches from discussing the refs in the post game, is to keep most people in the dark on how much the officials control the outcomes of the games. Big Business, ya know....
Well this will obviously never change in any sport, we obviously don't pay our dues like everyone else does.
In most games, while Chiozza starts, Hill normally pays almost as many minutes. I worry about the minutes Allen has to play. I am not sure there is a way around it, but that famous freshman wall that Billy used to talk about is a real possibility
