Gator Basketball

[ocalaman]

So with tonight's loss at home to South Carolina (previously 5-7), does anybody still think this year's team has a chance to make the NCAA's? We had double digit leads towards the end of both halves and then just tanked down the stretches. 1 field goal in our last 17 possessions of the game, stupid fouls, missed crucial free throws, no movement on offense (except Nembhard who continually tried hard to create). We shot 31 3's and only made 9, forced USC into 22 turnovers, but had 15 of our own. Locke was 5-16 from the field, Nembhard 3-10, Hudson 2-8, Keyontae Johnson 0-6. Looking at the schedule ahead of us, it doesn't look good for this talented team that is playing so dysfunctional to have a winning SEC record and maybe not even .500 overall.

 

[JonLester2015]

No good team loses that game today.

It was one of the most pathetic choke jobs you’ll ever see on a D1 basketball court.

South Carolina is not even a top 125 team.

The committee would have to be nuts to ignore a home loss to one of the worst teams in America.

 

[PacoGator19]

I said at about the 3rd to 4th game in this team wasn’t going to make it to the tournament. This is White’s 4th year and he’s really had 1 good year here at UF.

I personally don’t think Mike White is a very good coach based on what I have seen. I’ve never seen a team blow as many leads as a Mike White team and it is because his offensive system is really really bad. But he will likely be given a 5th year.

Based on where I think this year’s team is headed I don’t think White should be given another year.

South Carolina is a terrible team. You have to literally try your hardest to blow a game like that on your home court. White just managed a way to do it.

Sorry but not a Mike White fan and I think he’s a bad basketball coach.

 

[JonLester2015]

The combined IQ of this team is maybe 50.

Each kid who plays has an IQ of about 5.

I know basketball is a sport that requires talent, but if the kid has mentally challenged level intelligence, that’ll eventually cost you consistently.

 

[GatorNation79]

I've only seen a few games but they look bad...I agree with Paco...Mike White is just okay...and we need a winner.

 

[bradleygator]

Just awful. What is our offense? nembhard dribbling with his back to the basket for 25 seconds. We are athletic and we play defense and our half court offense is a dumpster. Why don’t we push pace? I don’t know about this guy. How do you get beat by a full court pass from under the basket with 3 seconds left? How is that possible.

 

[bradleygator]

I've only seen a few games but they look bad...I agree with Paco...Mike White is just okay...and we need a winner.

I’m beginning to think he may not know his ass from a hole in the ground.

 

[R.Hobbs]

The defense on the last SC score was high school-ish ...

 

[Dannygator1989]

Just awful. What is our offense? nembhard dribbling with his back to the basket for 25 seconds. We are athletic and we play defense and our half court offense is a dumpster. Why don’t we push pace? I don’t know about this guy. How do you get beat by a full court pass from under the basket with 3 seconds left? How is that possible.

Havent you heard?

Mike Whites whole thing is "not having an offense."

I hate it.

He's not a good coach.

 

[PacoGator19]

He has no offense at all. It’s been that way for 4 years. Watch our half court offense if you even want to call it that. It’s high school stuff.

I like him and he’s a good guy but he’s a terrible basketball coach. He’s about to destroy what Billy D built pretty quickly. The SEC is improving in basketball and we are regressing under this guy. It’s time to move on. This is his 4th year. He’s really only had 1 good year out of the 4.

 

[sadgator]

Call sadgator crazy, but he still believes in White.

Billy’s teams struggled in times of transition too...they’ll figure it out. Nembhard shows some real promise...he is very good.

 

[PacoGator19]

Call sadgator crazy, but he still believes in White.

Billy’s teams struggled in times of transition too...they’ll figure it out. Nembhard shows some real promise...he is very good.

Nembhard would be much better if he played for a team that actually runs an offense.

What transition exactly are you referring too? This is White’s 4th year. He’s had 1 good team during that span.

White reminds me of Muschamp. Likable guy that has a terrible offense and is going to destroy what the previous coach did.

 

[Gator Fever]

I have hard time seeing this team winning 11 SEC games to even give themselves a chance to make the tourney.

 

[PacoGator19]

I have hard time seeing this team winning 11 SEC games to even give themselves a chance to make the tourney.

Tourney??? You mean NIT? The SEC is improving in basketball. I think we finish under .500 in SEC play.

 

[Gator Fever]

Tourney??? You mean NIT? The SEC is improving in basketball. I think we finish under .500 in SEC play.

I think it is likely to be around 9-9.

 

[CountyGator2]

No tourney this year most likely, but next season with the recruits coming in White will need to win big.

 

[PacoGator19]

No tourney this year most likely, but next season with the recruits coming in White will need to win big.

Yes unfortunately he’s going to get another year because of the recruiting class but he can’t develop players so I don’t expect much from next years team either.

 

[bradleygator]

Nembhard is a good shooter and passer but he can’t beat his guy off the dribble. That’s why we dribble around for 20 seconds every possession. I’d start the offense with Locke.

 

[bradleygator]

Yes unfortunately he’s going to get another year because of the recruiting class but he can’t develop players so I don’t expect much from next years team either.

I’d give him some time with his recruits because he is recruiting well. But it is concerning to me that both Allen and Hudson have completely fallen apart under White. Stone looked like he had some skills too and never developed.

 

[PacoGator19]

I’d give him some time with his recruits because he is recruiting well. But it is concerning to me that both Allen and Hudson have completely fallen apart under White. Stone looked like he had some skills too and never developed.

Allen, Hudson and Stone have all regressed. I find it hard to put the blame on all 3 players. It’s a trend and it is a bad one and reflects very poorly on Mike White

 

[Proud Gator]

I was also going to post what the previous person mentioned about Hudson and Allen actually regressing and others doing the same.
The player development, inconsistent play, lack of offense, is a concern. If this was happening to the football team the fan base would be demanding a change, like they did with Mac.
This team is not playing up to the Gator Standard, T&F, Volleyball, S&D, Baseball, Softball, etc...time to seriously consider a change

 

[bradleygator]

Hudson was our best player last year. Now he can’t even get on the floor. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that.

 

[sadgator]

What transition exactly are you referring too?

See 2008, 2009, 2010, 2014.

See also, early 2000’s finishes after the National Title game.

Billy was the best, but it wasn’t all Camelot while he was here...folks have short memories.

 

[Rushie]

I think it is likely to be around 9-9.

At best. From what I saw yesterday, will be lucky to finish 7-11.

 

[PacoGator19]

See 2008, 2009, 2010, 2014.

See also, early 2000’s finishes after the National Title game.

Billy was the best, but it wasn’t all Camelot while he was here...folks have short memories.

I suggest you take a look at Billy’s records again. It was much much better than what we are doing right now. I’d also like to mention didn’t Billy have UF in the national title game by his 3rd or 4th year. A far far cry from where we are right now. White shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath as Billy. Even when Billy was young and still maturing he was much much better than White and at least Billy D ran an offense and had an offensive system.

What I’m seeing right now is high school type offense/basketball.

 

[PacoGator19]

At best. From what I saw yesterday, will be lucky to finish 7-11.

Agreed. Hopefully that will be in the nail in the coffin for him if that happens which I think is likely

 

[PacoGator19]

Hudson was our best player last year. Now he can’t even get on the floor. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen that.

I feel sorry for him and Allen and Stone. All 3 have regressed. At least Hudson could have left amen played in the Euro league. Now he’s not even going to get that opportunity.

 

[PacoGator19]

Seriously Mike White reminds me of Muschamp. ironically enough the hiring process/decision making looks to be very similar of what Foley did. Young coach that is a good recruiter looking to prove himself. Rather than the coach that has already proven himself. Foley trying to be the smartest guy in the room thinking he could pull a Billy D type of hire.

Very similar hires by Foley

 

[ocalaman]

Look what Rick Barnes has done at Tennessee - and quickly. That's a quality basketball coach.

 

[PacoGator19]

Look what Rick Barnes has done at Tennessee - and quickly. That's a quality basketball coach.

Agreed and I’m not even the biggest Rick Barnes fan. We can even do better than him. But he’s much much better than White for sure.

Basketball isn’t as hard to turn around. It can be done very very quickly and one recruiting class can do it. Here we are on year 4 and I see no improvement.

 

[Proud Gator]

We might not make the field of 68..... let that sink in....there is no gator sport that we should have a 70th+ Ranking, without making a change

 

[kimeth]

No it’s pathetic? Frankly he could be finished . Deer in the headlights on the court. No response on game day.

 

[instaGATOR]

We might not make the field of 68..... let that sink in....there is no gator sport that we should have a 70th+ Ranking, without making a change

Maybe you don't realize that with around 350+ D1 Teams, #70 is in the upper 20%.
That's equal to football being #20 in the Top 25.....
Not great right now this moment, but not terrible either. Get a grip...

Mike Whites first 3 years here he's had nothing by 20+ win seasons and taken the team to the NIT, Elite-8, and the 2nd Rnd last year without a healthy true center. 6-9 225 Hayes is a PF playing center. Egbunu never played last year, and Gak played less than 100% with knee sugery immediatley following the season. Gak has also failed to play in a single game this season.

After 2 years with White, Hudson led the team in scoring 15.5 pts/gm.
Now starting his 4th year, it's somehow White's poor coaching that's making him suck wind? That makes sense...

And if he can't coach guys, then why are the true Fr playing so well in his system and with his coaching? PG White has Nembhard #1 in all of D1 in Assists.

My feeling is that as Mike gets his guys in next year, the whole team will be his and BillyD's guys will all be gone, then you'll see what Mike can do with HIS team...

 

[sadgator]

sadgator might be nuts, but he just believes in White. Maybe it is the fact that he looks like he could kick the ass of every other coach...

That is definitely worth something...

 

[Proud Gator]

“After 2 years with White, Hudson led the team in scoring 15.5 pts/gm.
Now starting his 4th year, it's somehow White's poor coaching that's making him suck wind? That makes sense... “

Hudson came in last year, unfortunately for him he has regressed under white, just like Allen and others. Facts do make sense

 

[instaGATOR]

“After 2 years with White, Hudson led the team in scoring 15.5 pts/gm.
Now starting his 4th year, it's somehow White's poor coaching that's making him suck wind? That makes sense... “

Hudson came in last year, unfortunately for him he has regressed under white, just like Allen and others. Facts do make sense

Which facts count and which don't?

From another interaction... (not iG)

"Gators are not well coached."

"So, I guess the players got to the last two NCAA tournaments (and an Elite Eight during a 27-win season) all on their own. Good for them."

And this too:

" You left out how the refs overwhelming called the game in favor of SC, especially how Hayes was knocked over when the final in bounds pass came to him, and miraculously, it was a legal play along with countless other bad calls. Refs played a huge role in letting SC come back."

Facts abound, read and then get back to me....
https://floridagators.com/news/2019/1/6/mens-basketball-hoops-hodgepodge-1-jan-6.aspx

 

[instaGATOR]

“After 2 years with White, Hudson led the team in scoring 15.5 pts/gm.
Now starting his 4th year, it's somehow White's poor coaching that's making him suck wind? That makes sense... “

Hudson came in last year, unfortunately for him he has regressed under white, just like Allen and others. Facts do make sense

CG/SF Jalen Hudson rsSr

2015-16 Soph Averaged 8.4 pts/gm for VT - BillyD xfer-in

2016-17 rsSo Learning and practicing a red shirt year with 1st year Mike White

2017-18 rsJr 15.5 pts/gm with 2nd year Mike White coaching, and Jalen became the 1st Gator to ever win SEC Player of the Week 3-x's in a season.

2018-19 rsSr begins season at 5.5 pts/gm

Your facts and your logic are as full of holes as your undies likely are...
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SG Kevaughn Allen Sr - Initially recruited By BillyD, re-recruited by White.
White has been begging him to shoot more all season.
Playing his 4th season with Mike White's coaching.
The 53rd member of UF’s 1,000-point club.
Allen currently ranks 30th all-time in scoring at Florida with 1,297 career points.
UF’s all-time leading free throw shooter, connecting at an .875 rate for his career.
2017 Coaches First-Team All-SEC
2017 AP Second-Team All-SEC
2017 NCAA All-East Regional Team
2016 AdvoCare Invitational All-Tournament Team
2016 SEC All-Freshman Team
Proving for the B-Ball genius' out there that White can't coach a lick...

As to Mike White's offense, it's won 20 plus games for 3 consecutive seasons and gone as far as an Elite-8. In the final analysis, it not the X's and O's, it's the Jimmy's and the Joe's.
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With a true big man center like Egbunu or Gak available and playing, PF/C Kevarrius Hayes could be an excellent PF. Having to play center against true big men always puts the Gators at an 'in the paint' disadvantage.

As to that, if Gak wants to play for the Australian National Team in the off seasons, then they should pick up the tab for his schooling, his knee surgery, and his months of rehab. Both he and Egbunu have been major disappointments so far imoho...

>> What's going on internally with the team is information I don't have.<<
However, were it me, I'd bench the upperclassmen and play the lower classmen, until such time as the Jr's and Sr's proved that they want to be on the court for games and play this season. Otherwise, I'd just move on and work the younger guys towards next year and the incoming class.

I'd have K.Johnson join Locke and Nembhard as a starter. I'd have Ballard playing in place of Hudson, and Bassett getting more playing time too.
Maybe a bit harsh, but that's me in this particular case.

 

[Gator Fever]

Agreed and I’m not even the biggest Rick Barnes fan. We can even do better than him. But he’s much much better than White for sure.

Basketball isn’t as hard to turn around. It can be done very very quickly and one recruiting class can do it. Here we are on year 4 and I see no improvement.

White will be gone if there is no change next season.

 

[instaGATOR]

White will be gone if there is no change next season.

Keee-rist, here he goes yet again with his BS...

BTW fevered brain, can Mike White recruit?

 

[Gator Fever]

Keee-rist, here he goes yet again with his BS...

BTW fevered brain, can Mike White recruit?

Never looked at that much with basketball but I think he will have a hot seat next season unless things really turn around this season.