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FSU official details favorable treatment of players

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Assistant Dean of Students Melissa Ashton made the statement in a deposition given last summer in an ongoing civil lawsuit filed by former student Erica Kinsman against the university. Kinsman says the university failed to respond to her allegations that she was sexually assaulted by ex-Seminoles quarterback Jameis Winston.

Ashton said football players receive special treatment at the school, and that most of the 20 victims declined to press student conduct charges.

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The former official, Melissa Ashton, who ran the advocate office in 2014, also testified that in the nine years she worked in that office, an estimated 40 football players had been accused of either sexual assault or intimate partner violence, and that to the best of her recollection, only one person had been found responsible. She said most of the women chose not to pursue the cases based on fear. No names were mentioned.
 
due process? There were like 8 trials...

Anyone who read the reports knows this was all a money grab. And if Meggs would have had 1/8th of a case he would have gone all in.
 
hardliner said:
Welp, to me this is just another reason why colleges have no business being the arbiter in rape claims. Where's the due process?
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Agree 1000% These Code of Conduct hearings are kangaroo courts. They have no business adjudicating serious crimes. Activists don't like that acquaintance rape is hard to prove so they are looking for a shortcut around the judicial system. Many of the fellows expelled from some of these colleges are suing...and winning. Hope they continue.
 
Glasses houses guys.

Be very, very careful about puffing your chest out on this issue.

Florida doesn't own a container of magic dust it sprinkles on coaches, administrators and players that make them suddenly better people than every other school's people.
 
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Ghost of Spaceheater said:
Glasses houses guys.

Be very, very careful about puffing your chest out on this issue.

Florida doesn't own a container of magic dust it sprinkles on coaches, administrators and players that make them suddenly better people than every other school's people.
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Agreed. But right now nobody is doing it as well as the noles and the community that protects them.
 
You guys are freaking crazy if you don't think you have a "victims advocate" at UF doing them same as this women. When she was asked about a specific case (David Warren) she said he was at fault, even though she broke into his home and attacked him. The police arrested her and he got a restraining order. Her reasoning? "I believe women, women don't lie about such a horrific event"

Now, I don't know about people on this board, but let me give you a bit of real advice. DO NOT believe anyone that says women don't lie. There's a laundry list of innocent men that went on trial or even got convicted because of professional liars. Look at how easily mattress girl, UVA hoax girl or the Amhurst lynching girl lied. I lived in both gainesville and tallahassee for many years and I can tell you 100% that both school do take rape and assault serious. But both also don't want to turn into the California and New York colleges where a man is assumed guilty and isn't allowed under "yes means yes" to defend himself.
 
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Thank god we've got you nolies here to tell us about all these poor male victims. It's a woman's world and we are just trying to survive.......
 
RentechCEO said:
Agree 1000% These Code of Conduct hearings are kangaroo courts. They have no business adjudicating serious crimes. Activists don't like that acquaintance rape is hard to prove so they are looking for a shortcut around the judicial system. Many of the fellows expelled from some of these colleges are suing...and winning. Hope they continue.
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Dead on balls accurate. The most egregious crime a code of conduct board should have authority over is loud parties or underage drinking. Colleges should stick to teaching and leave criminal investigation to law enforcement, especially when it involves felony sexual assault.
 
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Countygator said:
Thank god we've got you nolies here to tell us about all these poor male victims. It's a woman's world and we are just trying to survive.......
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Your infantile straw man aside.

Tell us who should be on the rape tribunals. The chair of the history department? A second year economics TA? A gender studies prof? The student body president?

These are the people that are employed at a university. I'll ask just what do you think qualifies them to be experts on what constitutes rape?
 
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RentechCEO said:
Agree 1000% These Code of Conduct hearings are kangaroo courts. They have no business adjudicating serious crimes. Activists don't like that acquaintance rape is hard to prove so they are looking for a shortcut around the judicial system.
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Bingo.

Especially if "acquaintance rape" includes waking up naked and thinking "I had sex with THAT dude???"
 
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EvilWayz said:
Dead on balls accurate. The most egregious crime a code of conduct board should have authority over is loud parties or underage drinking. Colleges should stick to teaching and leave criminal investigation to law enforcement, especially when it involves felony sexual assault.
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The shit I see dealing with those conduct hearings.

My word.
 
hardliner said:
Your infantile straw man aside.

Tell us who should be on the rape tribunals. The chair of the history department? A second year economics TA? A gender studies prof? The student body president?

These are the people that are employed at a university. I'll ask just what do you think qualifies them to be experts on what constitutes rape?
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I chuckle everytime one of you nolies come over here and tell us about all these women and their false claims of rape, when in fact, crime statistics nationally show the complete opposite. I agree Universities should not be involved in these cases, but it looks like neither should the TPD as they completely botched the Winston investigation. If you dipshits don't think something stinks over there in tally you are either a lying POS or totally stupid.
 
Countygator said:
I chuckle everytime one of you nolies come over here and tell us about all these women and their false claims of rape, when in fact, crime statistics nationally show the complete opposite. I agree Universities should not be involved in these cases, but it looks like neither should the TPD as they completely botched the Winston investigation. If you dipshits don't think something stinks over there in tally you are either a lying POS or totally stupid.
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TPD has always been incompetent. Google Rachel Hoffman and you'll see just how bad they are at their job. But in this case, TPD didn't need help botching this one, because Erica Kinsman did all the work herself. First she said someone hit her in the head and she woke up being raped. Once that was proven not true after she was examined, her case was pretty much over. And since then she has told about 4 completely different versions of events. It's really ridiculous.
 
danoleman said:
TPD has always been incompetent. Google Rachel Hoffman and you'll see just how bad they are at their job. But in this case, TPD didn't need help botching this one, because Erica Kinsman did all the work herself. First she said someone hit her in the head and she woke up being raped. Once that was proven not true after she was examined, her case was pretty much over. And since then she has told about 4 completely different versions of events. It's really ridiculous.
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See, that didn't take long! Jumped right into the boat.
 
danoleman said:
All you have to do is read her own statements. They are right there online. If there was not so much public hate for Winston, she would have been called out long ago.
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We've got you to keep the record straight for poor jamie! I'm sure he is appreciative.
 
Countygator said:
We've got you to keep the record straight for poor jamie! I'm sure he is appreciative.
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So basically you don't care what she has said, Winston is guilty because you say so. Correct?? And btw, why do you think what she said in the Hunting Ground differs from what she said in the COC hearing??
 
danoleman said:
So basically you don't care what she has said, Winston is guilty because you say so. Correct?? And btw, why do you think what she said in the Hunting Ground differs from what she said in the COC hearing??
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All I care about is what you say, that is what is most important here.
 
danoleman said:
Oh I'm sorry. Since you were commenting on the case I assumed you had educated yourself on it.
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I depend on your outstanding knowledge for education purpose. I am just thankful you take your face out of Jamie's crotch long enough to share....in the spirit of the season, you are the gift that keeps on giving....please continue and thank you.
 
But enough about winston and his leavings upon your face, do you care to comment on the link provided in the original post on this thread? No doubt she is money grabbing too or just another jilted winston love toy.
 
Countygator said:
I depend on your outstanding knowledge for education purpose. I am just thankful you take your face out of Jamie's crotch long enough to share....in the spirit of the season, you are the gift that keeps on giving....please continue and thank you.
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Seriously men that type that kind of stuff you just typed have a secret. Just go ahead and come out. Hell everybody is doing it now. You may even win an ESPY.
 
Countygator said:
But enough about winston and his leavings upon your face, do you care to comment on the link provided in the original post on this thread? No doubt she is money grabbing too or just another jilted winston love toy.
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The ex-employee stated ( unverified however) that as many as 20 cases of alleged sexual might have occurred involving football players. None of those apparently even went as far as honor court, much less a criminal case. Her supposition is that all the alleged victims were scared to proceed, in fact nearly all of the cases of alleged sexual incidents in her office don't proceed. That is also the case at UF only the numbers are higher at least for the general student population ( no release from any disgruntled employee re the athletes' #). The headline hook of special treatment for athletes was: IF they were actually charged, there is a staff member to advise them on counsel - common to many universities.
 
Countygator said:
I chuckle everytime one of you nolies come over here and tell us about all these women and their false claims of rape, when in fact, crime statistics nationally show the complete opposite.
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The old saw that one in five women has been sexually assaulted debunked more than once, since the questions were loaded and the study is around 40 years old. Women who aren't college students are actually 25% percent more likely to be raped. As for false rape claims that's around 8% of total reported cases.
 
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