Former Secret Service leader defending trump's Jan 6 actions is a liar
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That wasn't a coup.
I'm going to drink beer for the rest of the weekend with my Marine buddies. Enjoy tilting at windmills.
He resigned. How's that a coup?
I'd classify it as a revolution, since 846 people died and some 6k were injured.
1/6 wasn’t about violently overthrowing the government. That’s a straw man being used by people like Ghost to make non-Trumpers look irrational. It was about Trump trying to intimidate the legislature and Pence into overturning the election results.
That's slightly less hyperbolic than your buddy Ray.
When its FORCED on you by political protest of the country's citizens & the political opposition.
They attempted it on Jan 6 ...said so themselves
They thought they were starting a revolution LOL
Dumb but that was their intention
Your revolution is the governing body's insurrection
Ya think Great Britain viewed the Boston Tea Party the same as you?
Sometimes I wonder if any of you have ever learned any American history at all
Nobody forced him to do anything. He could have told them to pound sand. Instead he resigned and turned power over to the Supreme Council of Armed Forces
Funny, the COUP that happened in Egypt happen to Mohammed Morsi (sp?) the guy that came to power after Mubarak.
The Boston Tea party wasn't a coup either dumbass, it was a protest/riot. the WAR was the coup.
Backatcha.
Nobody forced him?
Just resigned out of the goodness of his heart?
That was a military coup...not the only type of coup
The war was not a coup...we didn't overthrow the King of England and take control of the kingdom. We had an insurrection to gain our freedom
in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
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noun
- a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Come on...fess up...
You really aren't US citizen are ya? LOL
Not a Trumper, everyone who disagrees with your position isn’t a “Trumper”.
More of an anti Bidener, anti socialist, freedom loving American.
But again, PLEASE keep posting. It’s great. The more the better.
Let me continue to educate the slow....
Inflation 9%...non existent when Trump was in office
Gas ner $5 dollars a gallon....$2 and small change when Trump was in office
Borders WIDE OPEN, with many terrorists, drugs and people who are not allowed in our Country legally crossing EVERY second........1/10th of the people crossing when Trump was in office
Stock market tanking........Went up. WAY, WAY up under Trump
GDP has STOPPED......highest in decades under Trump
Recession being predicted by almost every economic forecaster.....Biggest economic boom in 50 years u nder Trump..with women, blacks and hispanics seeing biggest gains UNDER TRUMP
So lil dickey, Trump accomplished all of this, and MUCH more, while being attacked without cause from low life, POS, un American democrats, using many agencies in our own government. What is Brandon's problem?
There's only one kind of coup. He was the President of Egypt, and the security forces were loyal to him. He could have resisted, he chose not to. That's what patriots do.
We were a colony of England. We told them they couldn't tax us without representation, and they tried to take our guns away and sent troops.
Throwing a bunch of tea you didn't pay for into the harbor isn't violent. Actively fighting English troops was.
As you pointed out, the British viewed the Tea Party differently than we did. They also didn't recognize our country. From our standpoint we were resisting an invasion, from their's, they were retaking a rogue colony.
I really can't explain this any simpler.
A coup and an insurrection are not exchangeable terms. A coup is an insurrection, but an insurrection isn't necessarily a coup.
Seriously?
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Sorry fatman...
I understand the desire to not be considered a "trumper" in public
But defending the Big Lie and calling William Barr a "Never trumper" pretty much is the litmus test of a trump supporter
guess what? You passed.
So Hosni Mubarak was a "patriot" in your mind? LOL
That is what the real world calls a WAR...not a coup
We weren't a country at the time of the Boston Tea Party
Insurrection first
War second
That's how it works chronologically
No you should continue...You say we were resisting an invasion at the Boston Tea Party?
No shit.
And a insurrection isn't a revolution if it isn't successful
And a coup isn't a war
I think you've confused yourself
Yes. Seriously.
Yes. After seeing 846 of his countrymen killed and another 6 thousand injured, he decided it would be better for the country if he stepped down. Probably another influence to his decision was the fact the Muslim Brotherhood most likely would have killed him if he hadn't. But he still could have used the security forces to stay in power for awhile.
No dumbass, the revolutionary war was resisting the invasion. As I said before, the Boston tea party was a protest/riot.
Ok, now you're arguing semantics. If you're waiting for me to concede that the Jan 6th folks were violently resisting the government, I'll concede that point. Was their intention to disrupt the counting of electoral votes? Probably. Were they trying to over throw the government and were they ordered to by DJT? Nope, and until someone provides enough evidence for a criminal indictment, I'm willing to die on that hill.
No, i believe I've been nothing but consistent.
Not dignifying that idiocy with a response.
Guys,
Trying to reason with RayGraves is like trying to teach a pig to sing. The dude is a true believer in whatever CNN and MSNBC tells him to think.
Trying to reason with RayGraves is like trying to teach a pig to sing. The dude is a true believer in whatever CNN and MSNBC tells him to think.
Mubarak was a dictator
On March 5, 1770, a street brawl happened in Boston between American colonists and British soldiers.
Later known as the Boston Massacre, the fight began after an unruly group of colonists—frustrated with the presence of British soldiers in their streets—flung snowballs, ice and oyster shells at a British sentinel guarding the Boston Customs House.
Reinforcements arrived and opened fire on the mob, killing five colonists and wounding six. The Boston Massacre and its fallout further incited the colonists’ rage towards Britain.
in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
- a violent uprising against an authority or government.
Probably?
The title of the protest event was "STOP THE STEAL"
Wasn't the "STEAL" in their minds the certification of the election by Congress?
Or was it coincidence they chose Jan 6 at the capitol?
Then go die on that hill
Navarro admitted to the plot (conspiracy) to steal the election from Biden (intent)
Barr is a never Trumper. He hates Trump, and he lied to him and dismissed election fraud because he let it happen. It was a lose lose for him, which is obvious but you’re too biased to see it. So you name call the cast accusations rather than face what’s right in front of you.
And you might want to stop using the phrase “The Big Lie”. It’s a little too on point for The Party, your party
Big lie - Wikipedia
Where is your attempt to "reason"
When asked for evidence of massive election fraud you provide none (primarily because there is none)
Your group posts beliefs in Q Anon bull crap
Your group shows a severe deficit in how the government works, how economics work, how the law works, and usually turns to simplistic childish responses
For example like this one from you that is a personal attack thaat doesn't say anything about any topic
I'll call you stupid but in my response I show you why you're stupid and usually provide a 3rd party source supporting why
If I must face an enemy, I pray that he's a dumbass....because that would make him less dangerous.
Hope that helps.
William Barr is a piece of crap but its not because he "hates" trump...he enabled him
How was it a "lose-lose" for him?
You love to just say stupid shit and then fall back on "but I won't explain it."
Take you're time fat boy and explain it
Until you describe what you say is "right in front of you" ...
You really haven't said anything at all
Until someone from the trumpazee can produce something that can even be considered worthy of hearing in a court of law...
It will remain the Big Lie
Yeah...that very scenario made it easy open the investigation into the trump crime gang and theGreen Bay sweep
It helped....Thanks!!!
It's also being used by people like Ray....who needs no help to look irrational.
Acting like the process to send contested electors back to the states is a “coup” just shows wild ignorance of the process of how we count EC votes.
The last time electors were contested it was by Democrats…oddly MSNBC didn’t claim that was an attempt to overthrow the Gov’t.
Again, here is an article that’s a good start towards educating yourself:
Explaining how Congress settles electoral college disputes | Constitution Center
The next public step in the 2020 presidential election will happen on January 6, 2021, when Congress meets to validate the election. If there are objections at that meeting, a formerly obscure law will be consulted to settle disputes about electors.
constitutioncenter.org
So you also agree that you were wrong above...which make you a dumbass and, by extension, easier to defeat.
You're welcome, dumbass.
You don’t know the first thing about anything you talk about, and your evidence are clips from MSNBC and CNN hosts…proven liars.
I’ve provided videos of voting fraud, impossible statistical anomalies (math = science) and geolocation data showing people visiting 30-50 drop boxes…the same data that put the J6 protesters in jail and the police use to solve murders.
But you ignore all of that, really anything someone shows you, that causes you the slightest bit of cognitive dissonance. You’re a hyper partisan ideologue that would rather see your political adversaries in jail than have a reasonable debate.
Well, I guess you having a low opinion of me is something I’ll have to live with…..
Not going to waste a lot of time responding except to say Trump is no longer president. I made this point several times in other threads but I’ll repeat it here that the only point of the 1/6 hearings is to make Trump unelectable in 2024. If he runs in 24 I’ll probably vote against him in the primary but if he gets the GOP nomination I’ll vote for him over whatever sh!tty the Dems will offer up….
Change my mind…. Convince me that Biden is doing a great job as POTUS, and that Dems deserve to retain control of Congress.
LOL
Did you read he article?
It clearly states why the whole nonsense of the Green Bay sweep is an ILLEGAL act.
1st situation: The Biden electors were lawfully certified. It was the trump fake electors who were not lawfully certified.
2nd scenario: No state submitted 2 lawful slates of electors Pence as the head of the Senate (Congress) rejected trump's fake electors, the National Archive rejected trump's fake electors
NOBODY with any authority accepted 2 slates of electors
That interpretation applies to two scenarios in the 2020 election. The first is a situation where only one set of electoral votes is submitted by a state, and objections are raised on grounds that electoral votes were not “regularly given” by an elector, or that electors were not “lawfully certified” according to state laws, according the CRS.
The second scenario applies when two or more slates of electors from the same state are submitted to Congress, as was the case for the 1876 presidential election. It is unclear, said the CRS, if Congress could vote to discard a slate of electoral votes certified by a state if it followed its own election laws. “The assumption presented in the law is that only one list would be from electors who were determined to be appointed pursuant to the state election contest statute (as provided for in 3 U.S.C. §5), and that in such case, only those electors should be counted,” the CRS determined.
Regardless, as of December 15, 2020 the first scenario would seem more likely, unless a state legislature decides to send a second slate of electors to Congress and the Archivist by January 6, 2021. By December 9, 2020, all 50 states and the District of Columbia had certified their electoral votes as required by federal law.
I think it’s more about posterity, to ensure that future generations understand the how close Trump came to wrecking our democracy.
The second goal is to amass evidence and build public support for a possible criminal trial against Trump.
The only point?
Is it worthwhile to look at electoral college reform in light of the Green Bay Sweep?
Is it your belief that the will of the people be eligible to be circumvented?
And so if someone posts about a likely candidate for the GOP nomination and says I'll vote for anybody over the shitty candidate trump the GOP offers up...what's the problem?
There are A LOT more reasons to automatically CANCEL trump than some theoretical Dem with no name
I don't think trump did a great job (you seem to agree) but you're resigned to voting for him.
Why don't you explain that reasoning yourself becaue I don't know where your getting this idea that I've ever said Biden is doing a great job.
And after Jan 6 why don't you explain why all of those GOP congressmen involved shouldn't banned from running for public office?
Not necessarily going to defend Trump but he’s not the only one “wrecking our democracy”.
HRC / Obama / Biden etc set the Trump dossier into motion before and after the 2016 election. Trump was (unfairly in my view) subjected to a nonstop smear campaign of Russian collusion that has since proven to be completely false.
Undermining a sitting president the way it was done is frankly treasonous. There is ample evidence to suggest that Biden could be compromised by Chinese and Ukrainian connections via his crackhead son. Crickets from the media and the political establishment.
My response is imbedded. Tried to use bold italics to highlight but the site or my phone wouldn’t allow it.
That was THREE YEARS before the Boston Tea Party.
PROTEST EVENT.
Who the f*ck is Navarro and does he speak for Trump???
One would have to believe that Trump actually came close to "wrecking our democracy" to accept your premise.
I'm not trying to argue the point. I'm merely pointing it out.
FTR, I don't believe that he came close to any such thing.
There was nothing illegal about it. No one’s been charged, no one’s going to jail. 7 states sent contested electors. Most of those states held Constitutionally invalid elections because the Legislatures weren’t the ones changing how the elections were run.
It was within Spence’s authority to send those slates back to the states so they could reconvene and send back clean EC votes to be counted.
This is why the left is pushing to rewrite the ECA.
Straw man being used by Ghost? I swear everywhere I look, the media and politicians are calling it a violent insurrection. Whats weird is that the summer riots which were much more violent, caused more deaths, and injured thousands, are referred to as “peaceful protests”.
Tell me again about this straw man, snd rationality, of non trumpers.
Only one correction sir, and I hope conservatives can start using correct language on this. To me, this is how we let dems slowly erode what America is/was.
Why fake Trump ‘electors’ from Georgia could face criminal scrutiny
POLITICS
By David Wickert - The Atlanta Journal-ConstitutionGreg Bluestein - The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jan 27, 2022
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-count-act-senators-agreement-electoral-college/
Bipartisan senators reach a general agreement on updating Electoral Count Act
BY JACK TURMAN, ALAN HE, ADAM BREWSTERUPDATED ON: JUNE 10, 2022 / 7:41 AM / CBS NEWS
1) That was in January - what’s happened since?
2) The effort was started by the left, and the last time you cited a “bi-partisan” committee it was 129-1. The spokespeople in that article are not conservatives. Susan Collins is a RINO and Manchin is a democrat.
The left (and their Uniparty RINO’s) wants to make sure the next time they cheat there will be no challenges. That’s all any of this is about, codifying cheating and stealing our country from We the People.
That’s all the J6 crap is about and that’s all this is about.
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