Fields to tOSU
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"I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Those that scream the loudest about supposed racism, seem to want to totally overlook the other half of Dr Kings statement on character...
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No he isn't, and they've never said they were either. Some reporter speculated that might be the basis for his hardship but Fields nor his family has ever said that, they're not gonna use it either.
You guys have spent the thread claiming UF fans are spreading misinformation and here y'all are. Some reporter speculated that might be the basis for his hardship but Fields nor his family has ever said that, they're not gonna use it either.
Just like Fields isn't leaving because he couldn't beat out Fromm. Your own coach told him he'd be the guy to take them to the next level. He's leaving because UGA outlined a plan to develop him as a passer in a prostyle system and then they spent the entire season using him like a glorified fullback. It was about his development as a QB or lack there of, if he was scared of Fromm he'd have never gone there to begin with.
Regular students cannot transfer without restriction. Within the state public school system, yes, but try transferring to another state, when they refuse to accept a bunch of your credits and you have to take a step back. It's a lot easier to graduate if you stay in one school. It's true in High School as well as college. Consistency and comfortable, familiar surroundings lower stress and improve academic performance. Jumping from school to school increases stress and lowers the odds of success.
Let me reiterate. The reason you can't transfer for athletic reasons without restriction is to keep players from being poached. Athletes have a hard enough time balancing academics and athletics without being hassled by runners from other schools trying to get them to move, which will happen with unrestricted transfers.
Consider how a team like Bama would use an unrestricted transfer rule. They bring in a 5 star DT, he turns out to be a bust. What does Bama do with busts? Kicks them to the curb. As of right now, they would be bringing in another 5 star DT recruit. But with that transfer rule, they could also send a runner to, I don't know, maybe Louisville where a 3 star DT has blossomed into a force in his sophomore year. Bama could get one year of service from this guy then the incoming kid will be a soph and ready to take over. Bama tells the kid, hey transfer here, win a title, get more exposure, get drafted higher. Does the kid leave Louisville? Does it matter? Being hassled like this (because if Bama is doing it, then so is OSU, so is Clemson, so is everybody). Distractions abound, stress goes up, academic performance is likely to drop. The odds on graduating skyrocket.
Is this in the kid's best interest? Is it in anybody's best interest? It's really not. But hey, if you want to see superteams getting built every year, push for unrestricted transfers.
In order to take a transfer you have to have room in your 25 man class and room on your 85 man roster. It's the reason most schools don't take a transfer until they see what shakes out with their recruiting class, because the transfer is classified as a 'counter' in your class. Meaning every scholarship you give to a transfer is one less recruit you can sign. And any coach worth a damn would rather have a recruit for 4 years as opposed to a transfer for 1. So no, relaxing the rules wouldn't lead to mass transfers.
And for all the talk about how the NCAA needs to do something about these transfers and how the portal is making it worse where is all these mass transfers supposedly happening? The only position you see guys consistently moving is QB, and that's because only one plays at a time. But that's been the case forever. Guys aren't gonna sit the bench for 3 years. That's a position problem, not an NCAA problem.
In any other case where guys transfer it's some 3rd string guy who never sees the field but again that's happened forever. Just a bunch of fear mongering to keep the status quo.
In any other case where guys transfer it's some 3rd string guy who never sees the field but again that's happened forever. Just a bunch of fear mongering to keep the status quo.
You seem To be on the inside. So what is the basis of the claim? Pouting isn’t a real reason. what else you got?
Most people would be unsympathetic to the racist comment from a baseball player while his sister still attends the school. But if he can prove the coach lied to him about playing time and/or developing him as described by Oozie I’d be all for him getting the waiver. It’s a pretty crappy deal to be given assurances and then the coach backing out on them because he had no real plan to give him throws or packages to bring him along. The video of him complaining about only handing the ball off in the South Carolina game seems to support his issue with not being developed.
Just a FYI...
2018 Gator's roster that transferred in.
WR/CB D.lMassey ***** - JuCo
WR V.Jefferson **** - Ole Ms
WR T.Grimes ***** - tOSU
TE L.Krull *** - JuCo
DL A.Shuler *** - Grad-xfer W.Va
DL Marlon Dunlap **** - N.C.
OC/OG TJ McCoy *** - NCSt
OL Noah Banks *** - MurraySt >> Iowa JuCo
OL Jean Delance **** - TX
LB/Ath U.Sanders *** - JuCo
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2019 OLB/DE J.Greenard - Grad-xfer UL
You think the motivation behind the transfer restrictions is to allow the kids to focus on academics? That’s hilarious.
I’m not an ‘insider.’ I know folks who know him and have since he was a kid. I did some work for the Kennesaw St. coach and he spent a lot of time up there working out so I’ve interacted with him. He has no issues with the school or anybody on the team which is why his sister is still going there. His sole issue is how they tried to develop him, or didn’t.
As to his waiver, idk what it will ultimately be but I know nothing about a racist incident has been brought up. When it was all I got was “f*cking stupid.” And as much as y’all hate it ‘lying’ is a basis for a hardship, that’s how Patterson got eligible. Even though Ole Miss was on sanctions his brother worked there at the time so he knew what was going on, still got cleared anyway. He also has a lot of family up north apparently and the family might be moving. Maybe that’s the hardship idk.
The NCAA is loosening the transfer rules, but it's very unpredictable what they do case by case. Their decisions are often not logical nor fair, but the general movement seems to be to make it easier for athletes to do what they want. We'll see with Fields and, personally, I really don't care. Doesn't affect the Gators at all.
I haven't claimed UF fans are spreading misinformation. Reread my post.
The bottom line is a guy that started 15 high school games transferred because he couldn't beat out Fromm. He was never promised anything more than an opportunity to compete and he's never said that he was promised anything.
The racial bs may be entirely on the attorney. I just hope it fails because it's not right.
This isn't the first situation like this (obviously) and it unfortunately looks as though it may become the norm in CFB. I wouldn't be surprised to see the transfer rule tweaked.
Yep... Fromm doesn't take off when his first read isn't there. Fields is very talented but he has a lot to learn, especially given his lack of QB play in high school compared to many kids today.
There's no way you know that part of it - that's talking out your ass because UGA is your team. The rest may be true.
In the final 2018 ratings.... (iG ratings)
Both E.Jones & J.Jones > J.Fields...
(so much for their stars)
Both E.Jones & J.Jones > J.Fields...
(so much for their stars)
And you don't know what he was promised or what was inferred. That he hasn't said anything about that specific point only supports the fact he'd like to keep that part of it private. It doesn't exonerate the coaches.
If he was trying to ratchet up support for immediate playing time with his transfer using broken promises, it's likely his attorney would have brought it up as he did the racial bs. I'm also going to guess that my UGA sources are more direct than yours.
It was his SECOND game as a true freshman. Maybe, just maybe, he has a sense of entitlement and immaturity?
Well - I have no UGA sources and you aren't a journalist with sources either.
You're suggesting that because Fields hasn't claimed something - it didn't happen. But it's impossible to prove a negative. Other than the logic fail, we'll have to trust your the sources who can't be questioned.
You have also said that Fields wasn't promised anything but a chance to compete - which is a complete fabrication. You have no idea what was said between the coaches and Fields.
I do know that I've heard Kirby say that he offers kids a chance, not a spot.
I'm not a UGA insider, but I know some people.
That's not why he's leaving. You guys can keep telling yourself that to feel better about your QB room though. I bet you don't know that he told the coaches he'd prefer to have been redshirted. So if not playing was his issue why would he tell them that? He left because you guys wasted a year of his development using him like a runningback.
I'm sure that's what he publicly says and he may in fact say exactly that behind closed doors. But there's no way anyone can claim to know it outside of the people in those conversations.
I'm not getting to ticky tacky on the points - most of it's conjecture anyhow.
I think we all saw how Fields was utilized during the season. Those 42 rush attempts were not designed passing plays that broke down. Hell, at least one of them was a bonehead fake punt along with qb keepers randomly thrown into drives against Alabama. The stats and his unhappiness lead a lot more credence to the lack of a development plan for him than the “he’s pouting bc he ain’t better than Fromm” UGA fans are clutching right now.
It legit makes no sense. There are plenty of places he could have gone to and started immediately year 1, and if not year 1, then definitely year 2. PSU is one of those places. UF is another and so is FSU. Yet he chose to go to UGA anyway. But to let them tell it he's just leaving because he's a crybaby who didn't get the pt he wants. When just a few months ago he was the program's savior. Bitter ex's.
Or MAYBE just MAYBE your defensive minded coach with an avg OC had no real plan to develop him and recruited him in order to make sure he didn’t end up a rival school or lose the recruits that would follow him.
Many of them were pass plays that after he didn’t have his first option, he tucked and ran. I’m sure you all watched all our games so certain,y you know better than we do.
When you have a QB that took you to the CFP title game you roll with him. UF didn’t sit Leak to develop Tebow. He was given a package to basically run, not develop him as a full fledged QB. And that’s him saying that, not me.
LOL... thanks for help proving my point. That play was supposed to be a pass and Fields didn't get the snap off like it was designed (although Kirby should have called timeout when that didn't happen).
He can't read SEC defenses as well as Fromm (most guys can't) and he wasn't beating Fromm out, regardless of what you say. Had Fields beaten out Fromm, Fields would still be in Athens.
Well he has chased Tate Martell into the transfer portal. The same guy who tweeted out not to swing and miss twice.
Does this info mean the waiver is imminent ?
Does this info mean the waiver is imminent ?
If you’re going to play for Mullen as a QB you are going to run the ball. As a coordinator or HC. If I remember correctly Tebow came in and threw a few passes but his use as a glorified fullback until the senior QB graduated wasn’t a surprise. But I do remember him throwing against LSU and Ohio St. But he was running those same plays as a starter. As much as it sucks the UF coach knows how to develop and bring along talent.
Go ahead and give that percentage of how many of those 42 were designed pass plays. Were the other three run plays against Bama designed passes too. I do enjoy how Kirby is getting a pass, pardon the pun, on that dumb fake punt. With apparently a qb that can’t read defenses...
He decommitted from PSU. Unfortunately gave FSU a cursory look but we had no real shot at him. It was a UF or UGA decision. Your coach won out. Bagged recruits that wanted to play with him. Ran him more than let him throw. And now he’s gone. But that recruiting class stayed intact and UF didn’t get him. Well done by Kirby.
FSU was actually in it more than UF, and he was a Dawg before the world knew it. However, I can live with your last few sentences.
68% of Fields' runs were pass plays. Feel better? Kirby certainly got no pass on the fake punt, but you know that. Thankfully Saban trumped our fake punt with an even dumber fake fg, but that's about the only thing that has created a distraction from our play.
