Remember when that Gator player used a dead kids credit card or some crap? I can't specifically recall, but that was effed up.
Felony charges???
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Remember when that Gator player used a dead kids credit card or some crap? I can't specifically recall, but that was effed up.
Much worse than what was originally being reported. All of these guys are guilty of credit card theft and fraud. I don't care if it's their 1st offense or not, or where they came from or what kind of upbringing they had. I'm for criminal charges going forward with full prosecution and expelling them from the university. The American public is being ripped off constantly by credit card fraud on a worldwide scale and to have our own student athletes doing this makes me sick. I don't care about them and would like to see them gone.
If you think the coach is a hopeless nut job, and him knowing would get rid of him, then that would be a good thing. It's not that hard if you just try to reason it out step by step.
No it wouldn't be a good thing. How do you figure? You really think that would be good for the future of the UF football program. There is no sound reasoning behind that. Something like that happening would actually make the program even less attractive. It would hurt recruiting even more, more negative media attention, etc. Your not just wishing bad things on the current coach with that attitude but your wishing bad things for the football program as well.
I don't necessarily hope that Mac knew about it, I'm just explaining the reasoning to you, since you seemed to be struggling with some pretty straightforward logic. If Mac were a bad coach, why would it benefit the program to keep him on longer?
What Im struggling with is why would anyone hope that the coach knew about something like that just so he would get fired? What is logical about that? You really think that would be a good thing for the UF football program. Yes I'm certainly struggling with that kind of logic. I don't see anything good coming out of something like that. I don't see how that would be a good thing at all. You think it would be great and some great coach would just sign right up to coach the team after something like that? Reasoning? There is no reasoning behind a scenario like that. Your literally wishing bad things on the program IMO just to get a coach fired. Sounds like a great idea to me!
I think it might be since it would save a lot of that buyout money but my instincts tell me Mac probably didn't know anything until they were suspended. I don't think a football coach coming in would care what a prior coach did in a situation like that. The players were suspended and never played in any games etc.
I just hope there isn't any truth to rumors other players might be involved in a scheme similar to what this one was claimed to be originally (misuse of funds or something similar) that isn't linked to using stolen credit card numbers. I would think they would have already dug that up by now if there was anything to it but the same guy claiming that some players are still being looked into was telling everyone originally that this was bigger than what people were claiming and that felony charges were going to be recommended for those 9 players.
Really,,, then don't let the door hit you in the azz on your way outta here... 
These four should be out of UF on a rail imo:
Dumbaway Jr - $1,970 (x-4) - Miami, FL
Red-azz Jr - $1,940.00 (x-3) - Fort Lauderdale, FL
OT Kadeem Telfort Fr $1,450.00 (30 charges) - Miami, FL
DE Jordan Smith Fr $5,020.00 (18 charges) - Lithonia, GA
The rest are also gone if the FELONY charges stick, a UF and/or State of Florida rule I believe?
DE Keivonnis Davis Jr - $1,600.00 - Miami, FL
DT Richerd Desir-Jones rsSo - $1,970 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
LB Ventrel Miller Fr - $1,970.00 - Lakeland, FL
The least greedy among the 9 felony thieves.
WR Rick Wells rsFr - $875.00 - Jacksonville (2nd suspension)
LB James Houston IV Fr - $550.00 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Prime questions for me on this:
Who made the first charge on the card?
Who are the upper-class (no-class) men?
Who are the one's with other infractions at UF?
And even the 1st time (at UF) offense Fr knew what they were doing. They didn't just trip over the credit card and accidentally commit FELONY fraud....
These four should be out of UF on a rail imo:
Dumbaway Jr - $1,970 (x-4) - Miami, FL
Red-azz Jr - $1,940.00 (x-3) - Fort Lauderdale, FL
OT Kadeem Telfort Fr $1,450.00 (30 charges) - Miami, FL
DE Jordan Smith Fr $5,020.00 (18 charges) - Lithonia, GA
The rest are also gone if the FELONY charges stick, a UF and/or State of Florida rule I believe?
DE Keivonnis Davis Jr - $1,600.00 - Miami, FL
DT Richerd Desir-Jones rsSo - $1,970 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
LB Ventrel Miller Fr - $1,970.00 - Lakeland, FL
The least greedy among the 9 felony thieves.
WR Rick Wells rsFr - $875.00 - Jacksonville (2nd suspension)
LB James Houston IV Fr - $550.00 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Prime questions for me on this:
Who made the first charge on the card?
Who are the upper-class (no-class) men?
Who are the one's with other infractions at UF?
And even the 1st time (at UF) offense Fr knew what they were doing. They didn't just trip over the credit card and accidentally commit FELONY fraud....
Errrr... I got news for you bud. The bad thing already happened. From SI:
"An attorney who has handled similar cases in Florida said the case may attract the interest of federal prosecutors working to stamp out credit card fraud and identity theft. “It would be something the feds would look at doing,” said Tim Jansen, a Tallahassee-based criminal defense attorney. “I’ve seen them look into this with less money and less scheme.” Jansen, a graduate of Florida’s law school whose highest profile case was the defense of former Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston against a sexual assault accusation, said the organization of the scheme—which involved the use of credit card numbers and addresses of people in seven states and repeated use of the same cardholder’s information by different players—is what might pique the interest of the feds. And if they get interested, a mandatory minimum sentence of two years in federal prison for aggravated identity theft comes into play."
That's 10 percent of UF's scholarship football players involved in identity theft and credit card fraud. And one of the alleged ringleaders was Callaway, who was on, what, strike 8 as far as disciplinary problems? Here's Mac on Callaway after getting busted for pot in the preseason:
“I’m just, I’m really disappointed, and I’m aware of it and everything and we’ll handle it accordingly,” McElwain said. “But, you know, just really disappointed. And yet, at the same time, there’s another opportunity to learn, there’s another opportunity to educate and, like I said, we’ll get it handled.”
There's a strong stance, particularly given Callaway beat a previous rape rap by arguing that he was too stoned to have sex.
So, given all of this, and given that the team has generally looked like a disorganized mess this year, despite falling backward into two wins, and given that we have pretty much been embarrassed by every legit team we have played, my question would be why you think it should be so obvious to everyone that continuing the Mac era is in UF's best interest?
And I forgot that the story originally peddled to the press and to fans was that these guys were misusing their scholarship money. Just buying headphones instead of text books! Kids... what are you going to do?
Wonder where that fairy tale came from?
Wonder where that fairy tale came from?
Really,,, then don't let the door hit you in the azz on your way outta here...
These four should be out of UF on a rail imo:
Dumbaway Jr - $1,970 (x-4) - Miami, FL
Red-azz Jr - $1,940.00 (x-3) - Fort Lauderdale, FL
OT Kadeem Telfort Fr $1,450.00 (30 charges) - Miami, FL
DE Jordan Smith Fr $5,020.00 (18 charges) - Lithonia, GA
The rest are also gone if the FELONY charges stick, a UF and/or State of Florida rule I believe?
DE Keivonnis Davis Jr - $1,600.00 - Miami, FL
DT Richerd Desir-Jones rsSo - $1,970 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
LB Ventrel Miller Fr - $1,970.00 - Lakeland, FL
The least greedy among the 9 felony thieves.
WR Rick Wells rsFr - $875.00 - Jacksonville (2nd suspension)
LB James Houston IV Fr - $550.00 - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Prime questions for me on this:
Who made the first charge on the card?
Who are the upper-class (no-class) men?
Who are the one's with other infractions at UF?
And even the 1st time (at UF) offense Fr knew what they were doing. They didn't just trip over the credit card and accidentally commit FELONY fraud....
I think those 4 players highlighted will probably never play another down for the Gators. Scarlett could have possibly survived if his charges got reduced but with him telling the cops that agents gave him those funds etc. I think they will want him to hit the road and not wait to see if his lawyer can get his stuff pled down. Callaway has had too many chances and Telfort and Smith have so many charges there is probably no way they get out of being nailed for a felony at the end.
Because Paco and sad think whats going on with our football program is 'neat'
Reality is, every minute that man is on campus we fall further and further behind. I can't wait for the Corall decommitt so he can go from the "next coming" to "overrated" in minutes. lol
Nobody ever said that but keep overreacting/whining like you always do. Just like you are overacting on Corral as well because that is "what you do".
Your whining about something that hasn't even happened. That is how ridiculous you sound.
Because I think Mac being canned is a good thing I am overeacting. I am just not stupid enough to play the 'no one will come here card'. There are many, many quality coaches who would come in an instant if we fired Mac. That is just a weak, lame excuse to try and support Mac and make it look like Foley didn't set UF football back a decade with back to back AWFUL hires
Mac getting fired becuase people are hoping he was trying to cover up this credit card fraud issue is what you and a few others are actually hoping for. That would not be good for the program and it would not make it as desireable as a job you believe. If Mac gets fired it needs to be based off performance like Zook & Muschamp and not becuase of some other issue.
And then your whining about a decommitment that hasn't even happened and a guy that is currently actually recruiting for UF. That is how far out of touch you are right now with anything UF football related.
Scarlett's affidavit - They may have trouble getting the charges reduced to misdemeanors after reading that.
Scarlett's was just under a $ 2,000 fraud and he did it on his GF's account it sounds like instead of his own. Told her it was funds from an agent.
They should pull his scholarship just for paying $1,699 for a computer that only has 256GB of hard drive space.
Also, SC02TV678HF27 appears to be an invalid serial number. You can test it here:
https://checkcoverage.apple.com/
Maybe his attorney can use that to knock the charge down into a misdemeanor.
This is completely baseless. Why would any replacement candidate care why Mac got fired?
For the record, I wouldn't fire Mac now if I could. I don't think he's the guy, but I concede that he's bought himself at least this season and next year, unless things really go off the rails. But I can understand why fans would be fed up already. And I just get tired of the fan police lecturing everyone on how "true fans" should respond to all this crap, particularly if the arguments are going to be as poorly thought out as the above.
Lol at people thinking it's a good thing if Mac knew. Who cares if you don't like him as our coach. To say it's a good thing if he did is just stupid.
I try to support the coaching staff overall, (until and unless they get fired), but not every decision that they make while running the team.
If you want to diss on any particular coach, then 'he sucks' is not the way imo. State your discontent with a specific and then offer a fix or solution. (not that anyone except other fans are going to care or listen to another fans gripes)
If you want to diss on any particular coach, then 'he sucks' is not the way imo. State your discontent with a specific and then offer a fix or solution. (not that anyone except other fans are going to care or listen to another fans gripes)
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Agreed. But we have a few stupid ones on this board that do in fact feel this way. They are short sighted and obviously don't care about the football program. They just want people fired. Period.
You serious? So you think all the negative publicity that would come out in the media if something like that were to happen because a coach or administration covered something up would have no effect on hiring a new coach. So everything would just be business as usual and A ok? No scrutiny would be placed on the football program? Recruiting wouldn't take a hit because of the negative publicity? Especially for the ones that want this to happen also want Chip Kelly. So you think UF would hire a coach that had a show cause in the past would be hired if something like that happened?
At least use some common sense and think things through.
Honestly, I think it's the opposite -- an otherwise solid program that is experiencing some kind of short-term scandal is an attractive opportunity. It's easier to "fix" messy situation, with lowered expectations, than to be the guy that has to follow a legend. You have to think like Warren Buffet. He got rich by being good at scoping out companies that were experiencing short-term unpopularity (undervalued) but were otherwise solid.
There is never "lowered" expectations at UF. There wasn't lowered expectations after Zook or Muschamp. You must not frequent this board enough if you think expectations are going to be lowered.
Bullshit. People wanted Meyer hung in 2010 after two titles and a 13-1 season with a BCS bowl win. Now its 'neat' to back into SECe titles and hope that at some point down the road we can compete with 'real' teams. Our offensive numbers are worse than under the previous coach who was fired for his lack of offense, but oddly there is a contingency who think our coach is hiding his offensive genius halfway through his third year. Our defense is officially the worst it has been in decades. We have the poorest recruiting and worst scandal we have had under any recent coach. We now celebrate needing miracles and once in a lifetime screw-ups to defeat conference bottom feeders. Yeah, sounds a lot like the expectations placed on Spurrier and Meyer
Huh?? What are you even talking about this time? I have no idea why you went on another whine/rant fest.
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This is complete nonsense. Penn State didn't have any trouble hiring good candidates, and they were coming off a solid year of headlines about their coaches enabling, covering up and participating in child rape.
Ok. Think real hard and see what ridiculous explanation you can come up for that one. I'm sure you'll try.
I don't think these guys are doing too much thinking like Warren Buffet. Paco probably thinks he's the guy who sings Margaritaville.
Franklin didn't replace Paterno and he was born and raised in Pennsylvania.
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Of course it would be good because it would allow Mac to be fired for quite a bit less money when the dust settled. Makes it easier to get his no offense producing self down the road after this season instead of wasting another season like we did with Muschamp. Having said that I doubt he did know ahead of time.
How about Bill O'Brien, who coached the Patriots offense through the previous Super Bowl (error correct: they lost to the Giants), who actually replaced Paterno, and who took the Penn St. job over the NFL Jaguar job?
I also doubt he knew. It sounds from the police report like the police were involved pretty much from the start.
James Franklin didn't replace Paterno for one like you had said in your original post.
You would consider Bill O'Brien a big name hire? He'd never been a head coach in his life before Penn State hired him. Is that the type of hire you would be pleased with at UF?
Callaway, Scarlett, Telfort and Smith are goners. The other 5 still have a chance to come back at some point.
Callaway and Scarlett were heading to the NFL anyways so Telfort is actually the loss that hurts the worst for next year.
Callaway and Scarlett were heading to the NFL anyways so Telfort is actually the loss that hurts the worst for next year.
I didn't say anything about James Franklin. You did.
Would I pleased with hiring one of the top offensive coordinators in the NFL, coming off a Super Bowl? Like Josh McDaniels or Kyle Shanahan? Of course. I'd fire Mac immediately if either wanted the job and walk away clapping.
O'Brien took the Penn St. job over the Jaguars job. What do you think would happen if Mac tried to get that job. Khan would laugh his ridiculous mustache off.
That is your opinion. I certainly wouldn't be happy about hiring a coach that has never been a head coach before. We've been down that path a few times already (Zook & Muschamp).
Yep those 2 assured themselves they will be free agents with no bonus money now probably. For their sake I hope they are keeping themselves in shape. I think Scarlett is probably borderline to even stick to a roster since his skill of breaking tackles doesn't work so well in the NFL and his cutting ability etc. isn't that great not to even mention the horrible blocking skills.
