DeSantis Education Solution To Not Hiring Enough Teachers Is to Hire Unqualified Candidates

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Don't be so proud of being ignorant
You should read your local newspaper once in awhile...maybe turn on NPR?
NPR? This is from a pissy little lib who reads girlie magazines like Vanity Fair.
I also admit I'm a little envious of @BillCutting4585 as he seems to trigger you just a little more than I do.

This should help.

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That gives you better paid teachers...but fewer teachers than required. They aren't trying to hire these people for the hell of it. There are spots open.

What are you talking about? The retired cops & military are new hires...

Why would new hires that weren't cops or military be out of a different budget item?



Your idea of paying for teacher's raises out of the budget for open teaching positions is child-like and not worthy of serious discussion. I've got to stop wasting my time on crap like this.

Who said that besides the voices in your head?

But OK...Broward, Orange, Martin, Hillsboro are all stupid according to you?

Could it be that you're the idiot?


https://www.tampabay.com/news/flori...hings-at-stake-in-tuesdays-primary-elections/
8 things at stake in Florida’s primary elections Tuesday
Voters will test new election laws, decide on local tax initiatives for schools and pick challengers to Marco Rubio and Ron DeSantis.


The future of local school funding
Hillsborough and Pasco voters will decide Tuesday whether to approve additional property taxes to fund local schools. (Pinellas and Hernando have similar taxes.) Hillsborough has estimated its tax of $1 for every $1,000 of assessed home value would bring some $146 million per year to county public and charter schools. Pasco’s proposal, which is for up to $1 for every $1,000 of assessed home value, would bring in some $37 million, officials estimate.
 
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What would you like elementary education to focus on calculus?

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-says-teaching-requirements-too-184702867.html
DeSantis says teaching requirements are 'too rigid' as Florida moves to let veterans without degrees teach

Florida Teacher Testing Requirements

  • Hold at least a bachelor's degree.
  • Obtain a position within a Florida school.
  • Submit fingerprints for a background check.
  • Prove content knowledge through degree and course requirements and pass the appropriate subject area examination.
standards should be reaised bigly...
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...e-plan-florida-union-president-175107800.html

DeSantis teacher shortage plan: 'Shortcutting the process' won't work, Florida union president says​

Fri, August 19, 2022 at 1:51 PM


Tens of thousands of teacher openings are going unfilled as students head back to the classroom across the country, prompting school districts to do everything they can to address the dire teacher shortage.

Florida, which has about 8,000 open teaching positions, is taking an unusual approach to fill the vacancies. The state is allowing military veterans without a bachelor’s degree and no prior experience to apply for a temporary five-year teaching certificate while they finish their bachelor's degrees.

Not everyone is on board with the new plan, though. Teachers' unions across the state are against the idea, warning it will not help solve the long-term staffing issue.
“This doesn't really get at the root of the problem,” Florida Education Association President Andrew Spar told Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “We want to make sure that we have fully-trained, fully-credentialed teachers in our classroom with the experience and support they need to teach every child. This idea of shortcutting that process doesn't work. It never has."

The idea was spearheaded by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who criticized union bosses for "insisting teachers get certain credentials" in a video posted to his Twitter account.

Through his new plan, veterans in the teacher roles are required to pass subject tests and have completed 60 college credits in order to qualify for the certificate.

"I appreciate out veterans," Spar said. "I think we all do, and honor them for the work and service they've done to our country, keeping us safe, and protecting our freedoms."

And while there are veterans that end up working in schools and become teachers through the traditional process, he said, "you can't just say because someone has been in the military or someone has been in a classroom even, that makes them a highly qualified teacher. It takes skill, it takes training, and it takes a desire to be there."

Still, the teacher shortage has reached crisis levels. There are currently 300,000 fewer teachers nationwide compared to before the pandemic, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as teachers are leaving the profession in droves. A recent survey from the American Federation of Teachers found that 74% of teachers were dissatisfied with their job, up from 41% two years ago.

The main reasons, according to Randi Weingarten, president of the second-largest teachers' union American Federation of Teachers (AFT), are low pay, unsafe working environments stemming from COVID guidelines, and the politicization of education.

For example, the average teacher salary in the U.S. was roughly $66,397 for the 2021-22 school year, which is more than $2,000 less than a decade ago when adjusted for inflation, according to the National Education Association (NEA).

And in Florida specifically, Gov. DeSantis has banned the teaching of critical race theory in classrooms, putting teachers in difficult situations when it comes to discussing TKTK.

"If you're constantly maligning teachers and staff who work in our schools, if you're underpaying them, under-resourcing them, then they're not going to stay," Spar said. "And that's what we're seeing here in the state of Florida."
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/...e-plan-florida-union-president-175107800.html

DeSantis teacher shortage plan: 'Shortcutting the process' won't work, Florida union president says​

Fri, August 19, 2022 at 1:51 PM


Tens of thousands of teacher openings are going unfilled as students head back to the classroom across the country, prompting school districts to do everything they can to address the dire teacher shortage.

Florida, which has about 8,000 open teaching positions, is taking an unusual approach to fill the vacancies. The state is allowing military veterans without a bachelor’s degree and no prior experience to apply for a temporary five-year teaching certificate while they finish their bachelor's degrees.

Not everyone is on board with the new plan, though. Teachers' unions across the state are against the idea, warning it will not help solve the long-term staffing issue.
“This doesn't really get at the root of the problem,” Florida Education Association President Andrew Spar told Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “We want to make sure that we have fully-trained, fully-credentialed teachers in our classroom with the experience and support they need to teach every child. This idea of shortcutting that process doesn't work. It never has."

The idea was spearheaded by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, who criticized union bosses for "insisting teachers get certain credentials" in a video posted to his Twitter account.

Through his new plan, veterans in the teacher roles are required to pass subject tests and have completed 60 college credits in order to qualify for the certificate.

"I appreciate out veterans," Spar said. "I think we all do, and honor them for the work and service they've done to our country, keeping us safe, and protecting our freedoms."

And while there are veterans that end up working in schools and become teachers through the traditional process, he said, "you can't just say because someone has been in the military or someone has been in a classroom even, that makes them a highly qualified teacher. It takes skill, it takes training, and it takes a desire to be there."

Still, the teacher shortage has reached crisis levels. There are currently 300,000 fewer teachers nationwide compared to before the pandemic, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, as teachers are leaving the profession in droves. A recent survey from the American Federation of Teachers found that 74% of teachers were dissatisfied with their job, up from 41% two years ago.

The main reasons, according to Randi Weingarten, president of the second-largest teachers' union American Federation of Teachers (AFT), are low pay, unsafe working environments stemming from COVID guidelines, and the politicization of education.

For example, the average teacher salary in the U.S. was roughly $66,397 for the 2021-22 school year, which is more than $2,000 less than a decade ago when adjusted for inflation, according to the National Education Association (NEA).

And in Florida specifically, Gov. DeSantis has banned the teaching of critical race theory in classrooms, putting teachers in difficult situations when it comes to discussing TKTK.

"If you're constantly maligning teachers and staff who work in our schools, if you're underpaying them, under-resourcing them, then they're not going to stay," Spar said. "And that's what we're seeing here in the state of Florida."
we have a shortage of workers everywhere, we need to cool this thing off!!!
 

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In my defense, that's based on your liberal AF article that listed unsafe covid conditions and the inability to teach CRT to children.

If you want to believe that, cool...but don't expect non-mouth breathers to accept that garbage as fact.


Florida ranks 48th out of 50 for education funding...


https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/08/19/get-real-about-floridas-teacher-shortage-editorial/
Get real about Florida’s teacher shortage | Editorial
Money and support to fill vacancies, not political gimmicks.

On Tuesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis took a crisis involving teachers and missed the point. There’s nothing wrong, of course, with offering incentives for first responders like retired police officers to work in the classroom. But the way to fill teacher vacancies is to pay what the profession demands. Let’s stop with the half-measures and start putting students first.

DeSantis announced during a news conference that he wants state lawmakers to create an easier path for retired law enforcement officers and other first responders to enter the teaching field. The move would expand a program enacted earlier this year that enables military veterans without a bachelor’s degree to obtain a temporary teaching certificate. Applicants would need to have completed at least 60 hours of college credits — the equivalent of an associate’s degree — hold a 3.0 grade average and pass a background check. Those accepted would spend the first two years in the classroom under the mentoring of an experienced teacher, who themselves would be eligible for bonuses for participating

First responders can often retire early, taking advantage of generous pensions, leaving them a decade or longer to stay in the workforce. Whether teaching attracts them remains to be seen. But why troll for teachers only among retired veterans, police and firefighters? What about civil servants, authors, artists, health care workers and others outside of security work who also didn’t pursue the teaching track? Don’t they have something to offer? If Florida is relying on an enlistment strategy, why not expand incentives to other occupations, industries and walks of life?

Of course, that raises the bigger question: Why is Florida responding to the teacher shortage by lowering professional standards in the classroom? Florida has about 9,000 vacant teaching positions in schools across the state, according to the most recent data from the Florida Department of Education. Florida’s shortage is part of a teacher deficit nationwide, as stresses from the pandemic, low pay and the micro-management of campuses has led many teachers to retire early or pursue other job opportunities. While Florida has worked to increase starting salaries, the state ranks 48th in the nation when it comes to average teacher salaries, according to an April report by the National Education Association. The teaching environment here is also worsening, as DeSantis and other Republicans have made grade schools and universities the latest battle grounds in partisan culture wars.


Students deserve quality teachers throughout the course of their scholastic lives. Teachers deserve to be appreciated and recognized for the tall job of preparing future generations. This all takes money, and plugging the ranks here and there with unqualified instructors who need to be babysat in their own classrooms won’t work. Florida needs to acknowledge why teachers are leaving and quit pretending that half-solutions will gloss over the problem.

Incentives? Fine. Maybe some will help. But lawmakers and the public cannot delude themselves about the value of a one-time bonus. Standing in front of middle-schoolers is tough. Not anybody can show up every day taking hits from students, parents and politicians. Not anybody can stay true while watching their profession get treated as expendable. Florida needs to pay its teachers for this critical job and provide more support as competition for this talent heightens nationwide.
 

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Florida ranks 48th out of 50 for education funding...


https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/08/19/get-real-about-floridas-teacher-shortage-editorial/
Get real about Florida’s teacher shortage | Editorial
Money and support to fill vacancies, not political gimmicks.

On Tuesday, Gov. Ron DeSantis took a crisis involving teachers and missed the point. There’s nothing wrong, of course, with offering incentives for first responders like retired police officers to work in the classroom. But the way to fill teacher vacancies is to pay what the profession demands. Let’s stop with the half-measures and start putting students first.

DeSantis announced during a news conference that he wants state lawmakers to create an easier path for retired law enforcement officers and other first responders to enter the teaching field. The move would expand a program enacted earlier this year that enables military veterans without a bachelor’s degree to obtain a temporary teaching certificate. Applicants would need to have completed at least 60 hours of college credits — the equivalent of an associate’s degree — hold a 3.0 grade average and pass a background check. Those accepted would spend the first two years in the classroom under the mentoring of an experienced teacher, who themselves would be eligible for bonuses for participating

First responders can often retire early, taking advantage of generous pensions, leaving them a decade or longer to stay in the workforce. Whether teaching attracts them remains to be seen. But why troll for teachers only among retired veterans, police and firefighters? What about civil servants, authors, artists, health care workers and others outside of security work who also didn’t pursue the teaching track? Don’t they have something to offer? If Florida is relying on an enlistment strategy, why not expand incentives to other occupations, industries and walks of life?

Of course, that raises the bigger question: Why is Florida responding to the teacher shortage by lowering professional standards in the classroom? Florida has about 9,000 vacant teaching positions in schools across the state, according to the most recent data from the Florida Department of Education. Florida’s shortage is part of a teacher deficit nationwide, as stresses from the pandemic, low pay and the micro-management of campuses has led many teachers to retire early or pursue other job opportunities. While Florida has worked to increase starting salaries, the state ranks 48th in the nation when it comes to average teacher salaries, according to an April report by the National Education Association. The teaching environment here is also worsening, as DeSantis and other Republicans have made grade schools and universities the latest battle grounds in partisan culture wars.


Students deserve quality teachers throughout the course of their scholastic lives. Teachers deserve to be appreciated and recognized for the tall job of preparing future generations. This all takes money, and plugging the ranks here and there with unqualified instructors who need to be babysat in their own classrooms won’t work. Florida needs to acknowledge why teachers are leaving and quit pretending that half-solutions will gloss over the problem.

Incentives? Fine. Maybe some will help. But lawmakers and the public cannot delude themselves about the value of a one-time bonus. Standing in front of middle-schoolers is tough. Not anybody can show up every day taking hits from students, parents and politicians. Not anybody can stay true while watching their profession get treated as expendable. Florida needs to pay its teachers for this critical job and provide more support as competition for this talent heightens nationwide.
florida needs a state income tax, those damn people need to pay thier fair share!!!!
 
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What are you talking about? The retired cops & military are new hires...

Why would new hires that weren't cops or military be out of a different budget item?





Who said that besides the voices in your head?

But OK...Broward, Orange, Martin, Hillsboro are all stupid according to you?

Could it be that you're the idiot?

Your idea to pay for teachers raises (existing teachers) was to pay them using funds required to hire new teachers.

Nope, I'm pretty sure I've properly identified the idiot.
 

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Your idea to pay for teachers raises (existing teachers) was to pay them using funds required to hire new teachers.

Nope, I'm pretty sure I've properly identified the idiot.

No...we've identified who can't read 🤣

Property taxes in the state of Florida pays for the education system you dope
New hires, raises, bonuses...all of it

You sure you're originally from here?

Florida Education Finance Program (FEFP) - OPPAGA​



Local revenue for school support is derived almost entirely from property taxes levied by Florida's 67 counties, each of which constitutes a school district. Each school board must levy the millage set for its required local effort from property taxes.

 

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Florida ranks 48th out of 50 for education funding...

What in the hell does that have to do with the post you responded to?

In my defense, that's based on your liberal AF article that listed unsafe covid conditions and the inability to teach CRT to children.

If you want to believe that, cool...but don't expect non-mouth breathers to accept that garbage as fact.

Funding is an issue. That's why I didn't list it or challenge it. I challenged #2 and #3 (listed above) from that list.
 

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No...we've identified who can't read 🤣

Property taxes in the state of Florida pays for the education system you dope
New hires, raises, bonuses...all of it

You sure you're originally from here?

Florida Education Finance Program (FEFP) - OPPAGA


Local revenue for school support is derived almost entirely from property taxes levied by Florida's 67 counties, each of which constitutes a school district. Each school board must levy the millage set for its required local effort from property taxes.


I give up. You just aren't smart enough to carry your end of the conversation. But please note that I tried to help you tote your water.
 

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What in the hell does that have to do with the post you responded to?

because all of the conservatives on this thread have been whining about where will the money come from to do what I proposed

Guess what we underfund education and our property taxes are BELOW the national average

You want to know where the money would come from?

Come on you don't really need us to tell you now that you have some facts, right?

I mean even a thought challenged trumpanzee can se where the money would come from.

We just not need to waste it on unqualified stop gap band aid measures like retired cops & military

Funding is an issue. That's why I didn't list it or challenge it. I challenged #2 and #3 (listed above) from that list.


Right.... :rolleyes:

DeSantis and the fighting over COVID wouldn't effect retention?
That fight over masks shut down the state.

DeSantis blocking pay & funding wouldn't effect retention?
How do you think that went over with teachers

DeSantis's war on free speech in the classroom...STOP WOKE...Don't Say Gay wouldn't effect retention?

And you think some teacher having a fight with a student was the MAIN reason why we have a teacher shortage retention problem? :rolleyes:
 

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because all of the conservatives on this thread have been whining about where will the money come from to do what I proposed

Guess what we underfund education and our property taxes are BELOW the national average

You want to know where the money would come from?

Come on you don't really need us to tell you now that you have some facts, right?

I mean even a thought challenged trumpanzee can se where the money would come from.

We just not need to waste it on unqualified stop gap band aid measures like retired cops & military




Right.... :rolleyes:

DeSantis and the fighting over COVID wouldn't effect retention?
That fight over masks shut down the state.

DeSantis blocking pay & funding wouldn't effect retention?
How do you think that went over with teachers

DeSantis's war on free speech in the classroom...STOP WOKE...Don't Say Gay wouldn't effect retention?

And you think some teacher having a fight with a student was the MAIN reason why we have a teacher shortage retention problem? :rolleyes:

I will make fun of you and I will laugh at you but I will no longer waste my time attempting to debate and educate you.

I'm sorry that you are a waste of time. I wish you were not.
 

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Said the fiscal conservative. 😂

Lecture us about Trump and his liberal fiscal policies again.


Who insisted the last stimulus check be $2K per person?
Who ran the fraudulent "free for all" known as PPP again?
Who created a government backstop to guarantee corporate bonds during COVID?
Who paid the Agriculture industry direct subsidies for the failed tariff war with China?
Who expanded Quantitative Easing?
Who begged for the Fed to keep interest rates artificially low?
 

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I will make fun of you and I will laugh at you but I will no longer waste my time attempting to debate and educate you.

I'm sorry that you are a waste of time. I wish you were not.


bama was the kid who picked up his toys and left the school yard pouting when things didn't go his way....

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Most times I think you're deliberately lying...but now I realize you just may not comprehend what's being written and make up stuff
 

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I don't think income tax is required. Do more with what you have and stop wasting what you have on less important ish.

Also, dump more entitlements.
i was joking, but it is likely headed their way. we are not getting rid of entitlements, everyone loves the ones THEY recieve, they simply dont like the ones they do not. perfect example is the housing subsidies everyone with a mortgage gets.
 
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/desantis-says-teaching-requirements-too-184702867.html
DeSantis says teaching requirements are 'too rigid' as Florida moves to let veterans without degrees teach


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  • Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said teaching requirements have been "too rigid" for educators.
  • Florida is issuing temporary teaching certificates to allow military veterans to teach in schools.
  • The policy has garnered criticism from educators who said that it could impact teaching quality.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis complained that teaching requirements have been "too rigid" for requiring educators to have "certain credentials."

His comments come after Florida moved to allow military veterans to teach in public schools. The policy has garnered criticism from educators who said that it could impact teaching quality.

"We want you to be able to teach Florida students," DeSantis said in a video on Twitter. "For too long, the requirements to be a teacher have been too rigid with union bosses insisting that all educators get certain credentials that often have little impact on teaching performance."

The state's new program invites veterans to teach if they served four years and got an honorable or medical discharge and clear a background check. They also must have completed 60 college credits (half of a four-year degree) and pass a Florida subject exam.



"Our veterans have a wealth of knowledge and experience they can bring to bear in the classroom, and with this innovative approach, they will be able to do so for five years with a temporary certification as they work towards their degree," DeSantis said.

The Florida Education Association is anticipating over 8,000 teacher vacancies going into the 2022-2023 school year, according to WPTV. In a recent statement, the agency called on lawmakers to ensure teachers get better salaries and schools have "qualified, experienced teachers."

"Every morning our students recite the Pledge of Allegiance while looking at the star-spangled banner," DeSantis said. "It is fitting that the teacher in the classroom is somebody who took an oath and put his or her life on the line to preserve, protect, and defend our flag and the freedom it represents."
I would hire a bum off the street before I'd hire most of these over-educated Jackasses that are currently teaching secondary education. Give me an honest teacher that will use a textbook and you will see a much better curriculum and order in the classroom. Furthermore, the teacher's personal opinion should never get in the way of instruction, and never should they promote anarchy or demonstrations against authority. Ever!
 

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Who insisted the last stimulus check be $2K per person?
Who ran the fraudulent "free for all" known as PPP again?
Who created a government backstop to guarantee corporate bonds during COVID?
Who paid the Agriculture industry direct subsidies for the failed tariff war with China?
Who expanded Quantitative Easing?
Who begged for the Fed to keep interest rates artificially low?

And all that means that adding an income tax in Florida is a good idea?

Again, you're unworthy of my time. Begone.
 
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bama was the kid who picked up his toys and left the school yard pouting when things didn't go his way....

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Most times I think you're deliberately lying...but now I realize you just may not comprehend what's being written and make up stuff

Sure thing.

I'm still sorry that you aren't worth my time.
 

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i was joking, but it is likely headed their way. we are not getting rid of entitlements, everyone loves the ones THEY recieve, they simply dont like the ones they do not. perfect example is the housing subsidies everyone with a mortgage gets.

I knew you were.

The deduction for mortgage interest almost certainly pays for itself, and then some, by creating jobs in the construction industry and through the industries that support it.

This is helped by the fact that federal employees have almost nothing to do with the program. If they were, it would be as wasteful as every other federal program.

I don't have a home mortgage btw nor am I in anyway benefited by the deduction. I just see its merit.
 

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I knew you were.

The deduction for mortgage interest almost certainly pays for itself, and then some, by creating jobs in the construction industry and through the industries that support it.

This is helped by the fact that federal employees have almost nothing to do with the program. If they were, it would be as wasteful as every other federal program.

I don't have a home mortgage btw nor am I in anyway benefited by the deduction. I just see its merit.
The issue of paying for itself will never be settled science so I won’t go there, it’s the most common giveaway this country has . That’s the point..social security and Medicare is another. This country is built in redistributing from the upper middle down. My main issue is it stops at the upper middle and leaves the trunps of the world unscathed.
 

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@RayGravesGhost the left’s answer is and has always been to fax the living shit out of everyone so the government can spend more money. When the tax money runs out, print and spend more. Add more taxes here, raise a little tax, it’s ok peasant citizens, @RayGravesGhost has another great idea on how the government can continue to take more money from you to continue funding shit programs. For the last century, all the US has done is continue to raise taxes, invest money in shit policies and when that doesn’t work, let’s throw more money at it because part time, it wasn’t enough.

Now here is a question for our little sock monkey @RayGravesGhost

What is the definition of insanity?

If you are capable of answering correctly without going into convulsions and posting 38 articles in which no one will read, I will explain the one common denominator that is the issue in every single government funded program that fails.
 
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The issue of paying for itself will never be settled science so I won’t go there, it’s the most common giveaway this country has . That’s the point..social security and Medicare is another. This country is built in redistributing from the upper middle down. My main issue is it stops at the upper middle and leaves the trunps of the world unscathed.

Social Security isn't supposed to be an give-away or an entitlement. Each of us was suppose to pay for our own.

...enter the politician and voila.
 
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Social Security isn't supposed to be an give-away or an entitlement. Each of us was suppose to pay for our own.

...enter the politician and voila.
LOL, its a leaky bucket, its built that way. it was never intended to be anything but redistribution.
 

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The issue of paying for itself will never be settled science so I won’t go there

And agree but common sense leads me to believe that this particular subsidy is net positive for all parties involved including the tax man.
 

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LOL, its a leaky bucket, its built that way. it was never intended to be anything but redistribution.

That's cynical. I don't believe that was what was intended. Career politicians just couldn't keep their damn hands off of it.
 

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That's cynical. I don't believe that was what was intended. Career politicians just couldn't keep their damn hands off of it.
you do realize that the new deal was radical and socialist when enacted. the math is simple. the wealthier get far less relative to whats put in than the people lower down the income ladder. its like everything else, it attempts to levelize, whcih is necessary in a functional democracy, it simply should be done better and more inclusively than its being done.
 

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