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Dems omit God in Pledge of Allegience

Honestly, as a former Catholic, I've been through these types of discussions and they don't go very well. It never ends well. One always wants to prove the other wrong without a just settlement - it never works. But honestly, I'm not shying away, but I do wonder how you can pick and choose books in the bible to your own liking. It's illogical and systematically flawed. BTW, which books do you accept?
You should never have left the One True Church. I pray for your soul.

I accept the Books as a scholar would. First hand accounts (ie the four gospels) are given the highest priorities. Then second hand accounts (eg most of Paul’s letters). Then books by unknown authors. God gave me a brain and doesn’t ask me to accept things willy nilly.

Did you accept all of the books of the Catholic bible and now reject the deuterocanical books just because Marin Luther said so? Do you now reject transubstantiation, confession and the sacraments just because some preacher told you to? Nope, everyone must find their own path. You may believe yours is the correct, or only way, but I am not so certain. I respect my fellow worshipers, even though I don’t agree with them.
 
You should never have left the One True Church. I pray for your soul.

I accept the Books as a scholar would. First hand accounts (ie the four gospels) are given the highest priorities. Then second hand accounts (eg most of Paul’s letters). Then books by unknown authors. God gave me a brain and doesn’t ask me to accept things willy nilly.

Did you accept all of the books of the Catholic bible and now reject the deuterocanical books just because Marin Luther said so? Do you now reject transubstantiation, confession and the sacraments just because some preacher told you to? Nope, everyone must find their own path. You may believe yours is the correct, or only way, but I am not so certain. I respect my fellow worshipers, even though I don’t agree with them.
I would like to start a conversation with you but I couldn't - I have no start button. Do you? If so, shoot me a conversation, if you want, and we can dive into this, but rest assured it will not be short. You cannot simply post the things you do to prove your "scholarly" knowledge. It simply doesn't work that way. That's the Pharisee way and you should know that. By the way, you seem to have so many things wrong with your thinking I'm not so sure I can straighten them out. Have you ever been diagnosed as a narcissist?
Just wondering. How many of these do you qualify for:

-They feel compelled to talk about themselves, and they exaggerate their accomplishments and dominate conversations.

-They seize opportunities to demonstrate their superior knowledge and insight. They seem to have the inside info on everything.

-They feel they deserve special treatment, whether they're among friends or at a restaurant. Whatever their needs are, they need to be met now. They want automatic compliance because they are that important.

-They tend to believe they are naturally special, part of an elite class that deserves only the best. They fantasize about how much more powerful they can be, how much more special, how much richer. They also prefer to associate with other "high-status" people and may obsess over status symbols and even belittle anyone who they don't perceive to be part of the same exclusive club.

-They have to make themselves out to be superior to somebody else in a relentless quest to prove their dominance. The opponent could be a stranger or someone you love.

-They care deeply about maintaining their idealized image of themselves, and have trouble tolerating any sort of disapproval or insult. No matter how small a criticism, it feels like a huge assault, a personal attack, and one they're unlikely to forget. If they feel slighted, or abandoned, they don't get over it. Rather than deal with their hurt feelings, they get angry and seek revenge, in one form or another.

-They refuse to be held accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior and instead shift the blame to someone else. Even within a close personal relationship, they believe there is always a winner and a loser, and they'll do what it takes to win.

-Taking advantage of people may not be intentional, but it happens, because they tend to view situations in terms of what they mean for them, and them only. The reason? A lack of empathy. The inability to turn into the emotional world of others is a cornerstone of them—and what makes it so dangerous. They expect others to revolve around their needs, but they refuse to do the same for anyone else. That means to get what they want they aren't afraid to manipulate or bully whoever is in their way. Because in the end, it's always all about them.
 
Honestly, as a former Catholic, I've been through these types of discussions and they don't go very well. It never ends well. One always wants to prove the other wrong without a just settlement - it never works. But honestly, I'm not shying away, but I do wonder how you can pick and choose books in the bible to your own liking. It's illogical and systematically flawed. BTW, which books do you accept?

When you attempt to discuss religion with others is when you find that many people don't understand the simplest lesson: Being open to being wrong is far more important than appearing to be right.

@BSC911 got his feelings hurt because we pointed out that dems are trying to remove God from their platform. That set him off, and ever since he's been trying to deflect to attacking the posters individually as being 'bad' or 'misinformed' Christians, so he can tell himself that our 'attacks' against the dems removing God from the party platform are invalid.

If he is truly a Christian, then obviously his anger is misplaced, he should be mad at his party for turning its back on God.

Instead, he's mad at us for starting this thread. Tells me this isn't about him being a Christian, it's about him being a dem. Mama defends her turf when you pee on it.
 
When you attempt to discuss religion with others is when you find that many people don't understand the simplest lesson: Being open to being wrong is far more important than appearing to be right.

@BSC911 got his feelings hurt because we pointed out that dems are trying to remove God from their platform. That set him off, and ever since he's been trying to deflect to attacking the posters individually as being 'bad' or 'misinformed' Christians, so he can tell himself that our 'attacks' against the dems removing God from the party platform are invalid.

If he is truly a Christian, then obviously his anger is misplaced, he should be mad at his party for turning its back on God.

Instead, he's mad at us for starting this thread. Tells me this isn't about him being a Christian, it's about him being a dem. Mama defends her turf when you pee on it.
I don't like to argue this simply for the fact it goes NOWHERE EVER! I've done it so many time, and, whew he has so many issues, I honestly don't know where to start. The fact that he raised certain aspects of my leaving the Church and none of what he wrote down were issues. He seems to have narcissistic tendencies - my brother and brother-in-law are both narcissistic. Can't argue or win an argument with either of them.
 
I don't like to argue this simply for the fact it goes NOWHERE EVER! I've done it so many time, and, whew he has so many issues, I honestly don't know where to start. The fact that he raised certain aspects of my leaving the Church and none of what he wrote down were issues. He seems to have narcissistic tendencies - my brother and brother-in-law are both narcissistic. Can't argue or win an argument with either of them.

This is why I said he comes across more as an atheist than Christian. Every atheist I've ever talked to has always wanted to 'discuss' why your beliefs are wrong, why you are the dummy, and they never want to discuss or defend their own beliefs.

All the dems have to do is stop taking God out of the party platform, and these threads go away. Curious that @BSC911 has no problem with them doing so, while claiming to be a Christian.
 
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I would like to start a conversation with you but I couldn't - I have no start button. Do you? If so, shoot me a conversation, if you want, and we can dive into this, but rest assured it will not be short. You cannot simply post the things you do to prove your "scholarly" knowledge. It simply doesn't work that way. That's the Pharisee way and you should know that. By the way, you seem to have so many things wrong with your thinking I'm not so sure I can straighten them out. Have you ever been diagnosed as a narcissist?
Just wondering. How many of these do you qualify for:

-They feel compelled to talk about themselves, and they exaggerate their accomplishments and dominate conversations.

-They seize opportunities to demonstrate their superior knowledge and insight. They seem to have the inside info on everything.

-They feel they deserve special treatment, whether they're among friends or at a restaurant. Whatever their needs are, they need to be met now. They want automatic compliance because they are that important.

-They tend to believe they are naturally special, part of an elite class that deserves only the best. They fantasize about how much more powerful they can be, how much more special, how much richer. They also prefer to associate with other "high-status" people and may obsess over status symbols and even belittle anyone who they don't perceive to be part of the same exclusive club.

-They have to make themselves out to be superior to somebody else in a relentless quest to prove their dominance. The opponent could be a stranger or someone you love.

-They care deeply about maintaining their idealized image of themselves, and have trouble tolerating any sort of disapproval or insult. No matter how small a criticism, it feels like a huge assault, a personal attack, and one they're unlikely to forget. If they feel slighted, or abandoned, they don't get over it. Rather than deal with their hurt feelings, they get angry and seek revenge, in one form or another.

-They refuse to be held accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior and instead shift the blame to someone else. Even within a close personal relationship, they believe there is always a winner and a loser, and they'll do what it takes to win.

-Taking advantage of people may not be intentional, but it happens, because they tend to view situations in terms of what they mean for them, and them only. The reason? A lack of empathy. The inability to turn into the emotional world of others is a cornerstone of them—and what makes it so dangerous. They expect others to revolve around their needs, but they refuse to do the same for anyone else. That means to get what they want they aren't afraid to manipulate or bully whoever is in their way. Because in the end, it's always all about them.
I think you have it backwards. As I clearly stated, my way is not necessarily the correct way, just the way I perceive it. It’s you Evangelicals and fallen Catholics that believe you have found the only way to salvation, and Catholics are wrong. In fact, I’ve been told I’m going to hell just for questioning their way of thinking. See your response on the things I’ve got WRONG. See who questions Biden’s ability to receive communion. That is you, sir.

Id be glad to have a polite conversatio, as I do with my Evangelical preacher brother, and my son and his fellow theology students. But that’s not the way things work on here. When attacked, I hit back twice as hard, like the Israelis do.

And if you knew me IRL, you’d hardly think I was a narcissist. That’s just a role I play OTB. You take me too literally. If you prefer, just add IMO to every post.
 
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I would like to start a conversation with you but I couldn't - I have no start button. Do you? If so, shoot me a conversation, if you want, and we can dive into this, but rest assured it will not be short. You cannot simply post the things you do to prove your "scholarly" knowledge. It simply doesn't work that way. That's the Pharisee way and you should know that. By the way, you seem to have so many things wrong with your thinking I'm not so sure I can straighten them out. Have you ever been diagnosed as a narcissist?
Just wondering. How many of these do you qualify for:

-They feel compelled to talk about themselves, and they exaggerate their accomplishments and dominate conversations.

-They seize opportunities to demonstrate their superior knowledge and insight. They seem to have the inside info on everything.

-They feel they deserve special treatment, whether they're among friends or at a restaurant. Whatever their needs are, they need to be met now. They want automatic compliance because they are that important.

-They tend to believe they are naturally special, part of an elite class that deserves only the best. They fantasize about how much more powerful they can be, how much more special, how much richer. They also prefer to associate with other "high-status" people and may obsess over status symbols and even belittle anyone who they don't perceive to be part of the same exclusive club.

-They have to make themselves out to be superior to somebody else in a relentless quest to prove their dominance. The opponent could be a stranger or someone you love.

-They care deeply about maintaining their idealized image of themselves, and have trouble tolerating any sort of disapproval or insult. No matter how small a criticism, it feels like a huge assault, a personal attack, and one they're unlikely to forget. If they feel slighted, or abandoned, they don't get over it. Rather than deal with their hurt feelings, they get angry and seek revenge, in one form or another.

-They refuse to be held accountable for their mistakes and bad behavior and instead shift the blame to someone else. Even within a close personal relationship, they believe there is always a winner and a loser, and they'll do what it takes to win.

-Taking advantage of people may not be intentional, but it happens, because they tend to view situations in terms of what they mean for them, and them only. The reason? A lack of empathy. The inability to turn into the emotional world of others is a cornerstone of them—and what makes it so dangerous. They expect others to revolve around their needs, but they refuse to do the same for anyone else. That means to get what they want they aren't afraid to manipulate or bully whoever is in their way. Because in the end, it's always all about them.
BTW, did you know that it was the Pharisees that chose the 39 OT books of the Protestant bible and left out the Septuagint books.
 
Id be glad to have a polite conversatio, as I do with my Evangelical preacher brother, and my son and his fellow theology students. But that’s not the way things work on here. When attacked, I hit back twice as hard, like the Israelis do.

One more time, this is @BSC911's debut post on this board:


"Trumper bots have ruined this board".

Here's his first post to me: "But you can keep the bots out. Are you a real person?"

Note: I hadn't even replied to him.

@BSC911 joined this board attacking, and has been ever since.
 
Like the right to assemble? Like the right to vote? Like not involving foreign governments in our electoral process.

Trump is the biggest threat to our constitution in history.


Strawman lies is your forte alright, as with most deluded Dim-Moe-Rats...
Did you miss the 2+ year Mueller Russian probe? FAILED
Did you miss the fraudulent partisan attempt at Impeachment? FAILED

The Big Lie by the Dim-Moe-Rats is now blowing up in their faces... 😛
 
Bsc911 was trying to insinuate that Trump was the antichrist. Im my opinion, the dem party IS the antichrist.
 
Wolf in sheep’s clothing. Do as I say, not as I do.


Jerry Falwell Jr. resigned as president and chancellor of Liberty University after his private life recently came under increasing scrutiny.
Monday, August 24, 2020 5:15 PM EST
Mr. Falwell, one of the most prominent evangelical supporters of President Trump, had been on leave since Aug. 7, after an uproar over a photograph he posted to Instagram that depicted him with his pants partially unzipped and his arm around a woman he later said was his wife’s assistant.
 
I’m not the only one. The Eastern Orthodox Church doesn’t use Revelation. Luther was no fan. Neither was Calvin.

I don’t just accept every Book just because it’s all bound together. That’s what sheep do. Especially since the books included have changed over time. I like to understand the origins.

If that were true, then you should accept the Book of Mormon, or the Quran. Just because some unknown guy named named David called himself a prophet doesn’t mean I should accept his word as gospel (pun intended).

The Eastern Orthodox has and does recognize Revelations and has since before the Schism. All the orthodoxies do. Unless you consider the Syriac Christians as orthodox, then those traditions that recognize only the 22 book Pashitta (sp?), exclude Rev.

And while Luther was no fan, the Lutheran NT has not ever excluded it

I expect books are determined as being canonical by experts in the faith that produced such books; the scholars closer in time to the events as having better insight.... certainly not an internet warrior

And the books have not changed over time, save vernacular- I’m Catholic, and have enjoyed reading both Catholic and NIV study bibles

And In fact in this case, the term sheep is apropo..... as the faith about which we converse is expected to have the clerics shepherd the flock

Riposte FAIL, try again?
 
BTW, did you know that it was the Pharisees that chose the 39 OT books of the Protestant bible and left out the Septuagint books.
How many times have you read these 7 omitted books? How has these 7 books shaped your life? I have read Wisdom and Sirach many times. They are wonderful books. When I was Catholic I was proud to proclaim I had the "real" bible. Where did it lead me? Hmmm. I can honestly say that Psalms, Proverbs and the New Testament took most of my attention. My faith now isn't diminished in the least. I find inspiration in the bible Whether it's a Catholic bible or a Protestant bible. I find it to be a mainstay and a foundation of Truth I can rest upon. What I am getting at is that is hasn't affected my heart's desire to love and serve the Lord Jesus and for my identity to be grounded in Him alone. The list of 27 NT books along with the 46 books of the Old Testament was affirmed as the official canon of Sacred Scripture for the Catholic Church by the synods of Hippo (393), Carthage I and II (397 and 419). So, does this mean I should return to the Catholic Church? NO. My reasons for leaving are shareable but not here. It's not appropriate unless people don't care if I do. I prefer to do it in a conversation but for some reason I cannot start one. I mentioned it to you and you said fine, but what I meant is that if you start it perhaps I can reply. Otherwise, I guess I can contact a mod and see why I cannot start a conversation.
 
The Eastern Orthodox has and does recognize Revelations and has since before the Schism. All the orthodoxies do. Unless you consider the Syriac Christians as orthodox, then those traditions that recognize only the 22 book Pashitta (sp?), exclude Rev.

And while Luther was no fan, the Lutheran NT has not ever excluded it

I expect books are determined as being canonical by experts in the faith that produced such books; the scholars closer in time to the events as having better insight.... certainly not an internet warrior

And the books have not changed over time, save vernacular- I’m Catholic, and have enjoyed reading both Catholic and NIV study bibles

And In fact in this case, the term sheep is apropo..... as the faith about which we converse is expected to have the clerics shepherd the flock

Riposte FAIL, try again?
Well, you’re right. it is included in their bible. just not emphasized. while I’m no expert on the Eastern Orthodox Church, I did find this. And as a US Catholic, you know the Church does not spend a lot of time on it.

Boring, M. Eugene (1989). Revelation. Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching. Louisville, Kentucky: Westminster John Knox Press (published 2011). p. 3. ISBN 9780664236281. Retrieved 29 June 2019. “To this day, Catholic and Protestant lectionaries have only minimal readings from Revelation, and the Greek Orthodox lectionary omits it altogether.”

Riposte
 
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How many times have you read these 7 omitted books? How has these 7 books shaped your life? I have read Wisdom and Sirach many times. They are wonderful books. When I was Catholic I was proud to proclaim I had the "real" bible. Where did it lead me? Hmmm. I can honestly say that Psalms, Proverbs and the New Testament took most of my attention. My faith now isn't diminished in the least. I find inspiration in the bible Whether it's a Catholic bible or a Protestant bible. I find it to be a mainstay and a foundation of Truth I can rest upon. What I am getting at is that is hasn't affected my heart's desire to love and serve the Lord Jesus and for my identity to be grounded in Him alone. The list of 27 NT books along with the 46 books of the Old Testament was affirmed as the official canon of Sacred Scripture for the Catholic Church by the synods of Hippo (393), Carthage I and II (397 and 419). So, does this mean I should return to the Catholic Church? NO. My reasons for leaving are shareable but not here. It's not appropriate unless people don't care if I do. I prefer to do it in a conversation but for some reason I cannot start one. I mentioned it to you and you said fine, but what I meant is that if you start it perhaps I can reply. Otherwise, I guess I can contact a mod and see why I cannot start a conversation.
That’s kind of my point. To each their own. If Humans can decide Which books to include, and then 1500 years later which books to exclude, and change the whole focus of the religion to sola fide, then why can’t I and others decide which ones have more relevance. And obviously the whole concept of Purgatory is a pretty big difference.

And thanks for your offer but I’ll pass. I’m sure you have your reasons, which I respect.
 
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Notice @BSC911 has spent this entire thread telling every Christian he's engaged with how their beliefs are wrong, and hasn't said once that dems removing God from the party platform is wrong.

This is what activism looks like. Dems have their good soldier in @BSC911.
 
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Well, you’re right. it is included in their bible. just not emphasized. while I’m no expert on the Eastern Orthodox Church, I did find this. And as a US Catholic, you know the Church does not spend a lot of time on it.

Boring, M. Eugene (1989). Revelation. Interpretation: A Bible Commentary for Teaching and Preaching. Louisville, Kentucky: Westminster John Knox Press (published 2011). p. 3. ISBN 9780664236281. Retrieved 29 June 2019. “To this day, Catholic and Protestant lectionaries have only minimal readings from Revelation, and the Greek Orthodox lectionary omits it altogether.”

Riposte

Recognition/acknowledgement of a canonical work is different than having it in the lectionary, which I believe you would understand is the daily mass readings

It’s hard to issue instruction to parishioners using prophetic texts that ostensibly haven’t occurred yet - it’s primarily used in the lectionary near Easter and a few other occasions to basically say God defeats evil, all believers are brought together with Him, happy ending forever.....the end

I can understand how most services would like to perhaps not delve into what happens before the happy ending
 
Recognition/acknowledgement of a canonical work is different than having it in the lectionary, which I believe you would understand is the daily mass readings

It’s hard to issue instruction to parishioners using prophetic texts that ostensibly haven’t occurred yet - it’s primarily used in the lectionary near Easter and a few other occasions to basically say God defeats evil, all believers are brought together with Him, happy ending forever.....the end

I can understand how most services would like to perhaps not delve into what happens before the happy ending
I got that. I misinterpreted it when I first read it.

Its The End is Near nut cases that I can’t stand. Many scholars believe they authors were talking about it happening in their lifetime.
 
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I got that. I misinterpreted it when I first read it.

Its The End is Near nut cases that I can’t stand. Many scholars believe they authors were talking about it happening in their lifetime.

Yeah, there are entire religions that have sprouted up in this country on the basis that the End is Nigh..... even establishing dates.... and then postponing those dates over and over until they quit naming dates

Yeah, God scoffs at folks thinking they got a copy of his calendar
 
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I judge and rate politicians on what they have done since attaining office, not on what they might or might not have done in the rest of their lives.

I never liked 'The Donald' as a person before he was elected President.
However, choosing him over the Arkancide Hillbillery was easy for me.

I have liked and appreciated what Trump has don as the President.
That's why he's earned my support and my vote in 2020.

Joe Biden has been a certified corrupt scumbag in his entire adult life, with zero redeeming characteristics as far as I can see, and the Ho is a near perfect match for his ticket.
 
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The Socialist Rats would like to do away with the entire Pledge of Allegiance, as they've already done away with God in their lives long ago.... 😏
 
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The Socialist Rats would like to do away with the entire Pledge of Allegiance, as they've already done away with God in their lives long ago.... 😏

They most certainly do NOT want to get rid of the pledge! The just want the following changes

I pledge allegiance to the United Nations of Earth, and to the Socialist Federation for which it governs, one collective, without faith, with economic slavery and 2-tier justice for non-Party members
 
While what you insinuate might be true, it would require a different flag than the one we were talking about.
 
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