Breaking: Federal Judge in Texas strikes down Biden student Loan debt

[RayGravesGhost]

Yes, all of the Gator boards out there have tagging abilities and most others do too.

The ignore function has been around for about 10 years.

Sadly, you can't ignore mods using the function. Oh well ...

Most of the gator boards... Who cares? 🤣

If you want to send someone a message....send them a message

Posting threats on threads you're not even sure anyone let alone your target sees is just lazy and dishonest

You know like lying about Hurricane Ian

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Did @RayGravesGhost ever figure out how this was going to hammer borrowers and how the judge ruling against it was best for them?

If the goal was to help borrowers, then Hiden would have lowered the INTEREST RATES, not the balance.

You should read more...that's exactly what Biden has proposed 😲

Why doesn't Hiden just sign an EO requiring lenders to lower rates and cap them at a lower rate?

Its in the bill the republicans are fighting you dolt... 🤣

Here's a novel idea since you're in favor of capping rates VOTE FOR THE BILL


I posted this already in this thread but maybe you need remedial help...


The legislation would double the maximum Pell Grant, to $13,000, over a five-year span, and then make sure it stays even with inflation. Families that receive food stamps or Medicaid would automatically get an additional $1,500 per year. And students would be able to use Pell Grants for up to 18 semesters, up from 12 now.

Interest rates on new federal student loans would be lowered starting in July 2023 to match the yield on the 10-year Treasury note, and all federal student loans would be capped at a 5% interest rate. Current caps vary depending on the type of loan but can reach as high as 10.5%. Older loans would be eligible for refinancing at the lower interest rates.

@RayGravesGhost what do you think? He could do that....if he wanted to actually help borrowers. He could even spin that he had to use an EO cause mean ole RINOs wouldn't work him.

And yet.....he doesn't.

We both know why.

Actually YOU obviously don't know why after reading your response... 🤣

Its actually in the bill....I guess there's some truth in what you say about RINOs?

 

[RayGravesGhost]

https://apnews.com/article/education-government-and-politics-c20de9770b690e61b3d97912e5336ce8
Biden admin to ask high court to take up student debt plan
By COLLIN BINKLEY
November 17, 2022

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Secondly...that IDIOT will drop this like a hot potato...elections are over, he does not give ONE little **** about student debt. This was a play for his stupid supporters, and they are STILL pulling drag

https://www.yahoo.com/news/200-000-student-loan-borrowers-142604745.html
200,000 student-loan borrowers were just granted $6 billion in debt relief after a federal judge approved a settlement with Biden's Education Department
Ayelet Sheffey
Thu, November 17, 2022 at 9:26 AM

 

[nail1988]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/200-000-student-loan-borrowers-142604745.html
200,000 student-loan borrowers were just granted $6 billion in debt relief after a federal judge approved a settlement with Biden's Education Department
Ayelet Sheffey
Thu, November 17, 2022 at 9:26 AM

Federal judges don’t approve spending congress does. It will be overturned by circuit court and then by SCOTUS ray ray

 

[RayGravesGhost]

No one is asking a federal judge to approve spending... 🤣

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Federal judges don’t approve spending congress does. It will be overturned by circuit court and then by SCOTUS ray ray

Has ray ray explained why Hiden doesn't just lower rates and cap them via EO?

Would mean instant relief for millions. Billions saved for Americans and would jumpstart the economy.

Yet Hiden does nothing. Because the left doesn't want to help borrowers, they want to pander for votes.

And the sheep are dumb enough to fall for it. This problem could be addressed and solved in 5 mins.

And Hiden doesn't do it.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Has ray ray explained why Hiden doesn't just lower rates and cap them via EO?

Because he wants it written into law so the GOP can't come in after and reverse

Would mean instant relief for millions. Billions saved for Americans and would jumpstart the economy.

Yet Hiden does nothing. Because the left doesn't want to help borrowers, they want to pander for votes.

As even you can see the Biden administration is fighting the GOP in court

And the sheep are dumb enough to fall for it. This problem could be addressed and solved in 5 mins.

And Hiden doesn't do it.

Good to see you admit the GOP is in favor of continuing the problem 👍

If the GOP stopped supporting the problem the loans would be capped and there would be no need for an executive order

 

[NavigatorII]

No one is asking a federal judge to approve spending... 🤣

The White House is asking a judge to allow a President to initiate and authorize government spending..........which is unconstitutional.

Here. Remedial civics for you. 😂

"Kids Discover"

https://sccvote.sccgov.org/sites/g/files/exjcpb1106/files/outreach/How-a-Bill-Becomes-a-Law-Infographic.pdf

 

[FresnoGator]

Most of the gator boards... Who cares? 🤣

If you want to send someone a message....send them a message

Posting threats on threads you're not even sure anyone let alone your target sees is just lazy and dishonest

You know like lying about Hurricane Ian

Thanks for your input.

Hurricane Ian? You speaking in code?

And if you have such disdain for the Gator boards, like this one, please feel free to post elsewhere ...

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The White House is asking a judge to allow a President to initiate and authorize government spending..........which is unconstitutional.

Here. Remedial civics for you. 😂

"Kids Discover"

https://sccvote.sccgov.org/sites/g/files/exjcpb1106/files/outreach/How-a-Bill-Becomes-a-Law-Infographic.pdf

No need. All Hiden has to do is sign an Executive Order to lower interest rates for ALL borrowers and cap them.

Could be done in 5 mins.

BUT.....that would HURT the LENDERS.

Who are owned by the GOVERNMENT.

That's why Hiden won't do it

Sheep hoodwinked again.

 

[nail1988]

The White House is asking a judge to allow a President to initiate and authorize government spending..........which is unconstitutional.

Here. Remedial civics for you. 😂

"Kids Discover"

https://sccvote.sccgov.org/sites/g/files/exjcpb1106/files/outreach/How-a-Bill-Becomes-a-Law-Infographic.pdf

@RayGravesGhost

 

[NavigatorII]

@RayGravesGhost

That's actually the one I was looking for! 😂

 

[nail1988]

Most of the gator boards... Who cares? 🤣

If you want to send someone a message....send them a message

Posting threats on threads you're not even sure anyone let alone your target sees is just lazy and dishonest

You know like lying about Hurricane Ian

 

[RayGravesGhost]

The White House is asking a judge to allow a President to initiate and authorize government spending..........which is unconstitutional.

100% Wrong. (No one is really surprised though)
You really should go and read about topics BEFORE posting about them

The arguments are over whether or not the HEROES Act empowers the Secy of Education the power to modify the student loan program

It CLEARLY does

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...udent-debt-relief-program-law-professor-says/

Pittman claimed that Biden, acting through the Secretary of Education, didn’t have the authority to enact the program under the “Heroes Act” in 2003 that says the secretary can waive or modify any provision of a student loan program when there’s a war going on, some type of military operation, or under a national emergency.

“This was done pursuant to the continuing national emergency of the Covid pandemic,” Rhodes said.

Rhodes said that Pittman had a couple of points on his ruling.

“Number one is that President Biden had earlier said in a tweet that the pandemic is over,” he said. “His other point is, and I think this is the stronger point for the judge’s ruling, is that the Act says that you can waive or modify. There’s a big difference between waiving or modifying provisions and just totally forgiving it.”

Pittman says that the act doesn’t give the Secretary of Education the authority to just forgive debt instead of waiving or modifying it. Pittman’s decision was almost immediately appealed, and Rhodes said the Biden administration structured the program to make it hard to challenge in court.


The other argument is even weaker than the first..


“To be able to bring a claim in court you have to show that you have been injured by the program, and that the ruling from the court will help remedy or take away or redress that injury,” he said. “And the problem is that most people, even if you don’t obtain any kind of debt relief, you can’t show that that injures you, somebody else’s loan being forgiven.”

Rhodes said one of the individuals who sued was entitled to $10,000 relief under the program.

“His argument was ‘Well if you had structured it differently, I could’ve gotten $20,000 relief,’ but now he gets none,” he said. “So it’s hard to see how his lawsuit is helping him; it’s actually putting him in a worse position than before.”

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Thanks for your input.

Hurricane Ian? You speaking in code?

And if you have such disdain for the Gator boards, like this one, please feel free to post elsewhere ...

No...I'm referring to you saying I had left the board (wrong)

That me not posting for a week wasn't due to helping family recover from Ian
I think you called it "creative" writing

And thanks ...I'll post where I please...

Other posters have pointed out the shoddy moderating...the criticism is nothing new

Go on about your way there's no need to discuss this with you, right?

 

[NavigatorII]

100% Wrong. (No one is really surprised though)
You really should go and read about topics BEFORE posting about them

The arguments are over whether or not the HEROES Act empowers the Secy of Education the power to modify the student loan program

It CLEARLY does

https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/...udent-debt-relief-program-law-professor-says/

Pittman claimed that Biden, acting through the Secretary of Education, didn’t have the authority to enact the program under the “Heroes Act” in 2003 that says the secretary can waive or modify any provision of a student loan program when there’s a war going on, some type of military operation, or under a national emergency.

“This was done pursuant to the continuing national emergency of the Covid pandemic,” Rhodes said.

Rhodes said that Pittman had a couple of points on his ruling.

“Number one is that President Biden had earlier said in a tweet that the pandemic is over,” he said. “His other point is, and I think this is the stronger point for the judge’s ruling, is that the Act says that you can waive or modify. There’s a big difference between waiving or modifying provisions and just totally forgiving it.”

Pittman says that the act doesn’t give the Secretary of Education the authority to just forgive debt instead of waiving or modifying it. Pittman’s decision was almost immediately appealed, and Rhodes said the Biden administration structured the program to make it hard to challenge in court.


The other argument is even weaker than the first..


“To be able to bring a claim in court you have to show that you have been injured by the program, and that the ruling from the court will help remedy or take away or redress that injury,” he said. “And the problem is that most people, even if you don’t obtain any kind of debt relief, you can’t show that that injures you, somebody else’s loan being forgiven.”

Rhodes said one of the individuals who sued was entitled to $10,000 relief under the program.

“His argument was ‘Well if you had structured it differently, I could’ve gotten $20,000 relief,’ but now he gets none,” he said. “So it’s hard to see how his lawsuit is helping him; it’s actually putting him in a worse position than before.”

The Hero's Act doesn't give authority to cancel debt. It PAUSED repayments. Why am I not surprised you don't know this? If and when the SCOTUS takes you behind the woodshed, please do show up. Ketchup or no ketchup on your crow?

 

[FresnoGator]

No...I'm referring to you saying I had left the board (wrong)

That me not posting for a week wasn't due to helping family recover from Ian
I think you called it "creative" writing

And thanks ...I'll post where I please...

Other posters have pointed out the shoddy moderating...the criticism is nothing new

Go on about your way there's no need to discuss this with you, right?

You were gone for a period of time, like several weeks. I presumed you had left. Had no idea why you were gone till you posted about it. And yes, making stuff up is creative writing. Also, FTR, I never said anything about you and the hurricane. Your inability to comprehend what you read astounds ...

 

[RayGravesGhost]

The Hero's Act doesn't give authority to cancel debt. It PAUSED repayments. Why am I not surprised you don't know this? If and when the SCOTUS takes you behind the woodshed, please do show up. Ketchup or no ketchup on your crow?

Even the Texas judge admits that the Heroes Act allows the Dept. of Education to waive debt...

Please explain the difference between "waiving" versus "forgiving"

Pittman says that the act doesn’t give the Secretary of Education the authority to just forgive debt instead of waiving or modifying it.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

You were gone for a period of time, like several weeks.

No...I was gone a week because of Ian

Sharp moderating there

I presumed you had left. Had no idea why you were gone till you posted about it. And yes, making stuff up is creative writing.

So I guess your presumption was creative writing then

Also, FTR, I never said anything about you and the hurricane. Your inability to comprehend what you read astounds ...

What was the creative writing comment that you made after I told why I was gone for a week referring to then?

Fast and loose with the truth...

 

[nail1988]

The Hero's Act doesn't give authority to cancel debt. It PAUSED repayments. Why am I not surprised you don't know this? If and when the SCOTUS takes you behind the woodshed, please do show up. Ketchup or no ketchup on your crow?

 

[NavigatorII]

The judge's argument for striking down debt relief​

In Thursday's ruling, Judge Mark T. Pittman, who was appointed by former President Donald Trump, wrote that the program was a "complete usurpation" of congressional authority by the executive branch.

Pittman rejected the Biden administration's arguments that, in a law known as the HEROES Act, Congress had already given the president the power to erase student loan debts in a time of national emergency and that the COVID-19 pandemic is just such an emergency.

COVID 19 pandemic is OVER.

"In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone," Pittman wrote. "Instead, we are ruled by a Constitution that provides for three distinct and independent branches of government."

 

[NavigatorII]

I say son! I say head to the woodshed!! 😂

 

[RayGravesGhost]

Title 42 still in effect
COVID booster just released

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/23/health/flu-covid-risk.html
A ‘Tripledemic’? Flu, R.S.V. and Covid May Collide This Winter, Experts Say
Flu cases are higher than usual for this time of year and are expected to soar in the coming weeks. Another virus, R.S.V., already is straining pediatric hospitals in some states.


The POTUS must call an end to a national emergency...Biden HASN'T


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...n March 13, 2020, by,and safety of the Nation.
Notice on the Continuation of the National Emergency Concerning the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-⁠19) Pandemic

PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS
On March 13, 2020, by Proclamation 9994, the President declared a national emergency concerning the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. The COVID-19 pandemic continues to cause significant risk to the public health and safety of the Nation. For this reason, the national emergency declared on March 13, 2020, and beginning March 1, 2020, must continue in effect beyond March 1, 2022.

Therefore, in accordance with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing the national emergency declared in Proclamation 9994 concerning the COVID-19 pandemic.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

 

[NavigatorII]

Title 42 still in effect
COVID booster just released

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/23/health/flu-covid-risk.html
A ‘Tripledemic’? Flu, R.S.V. and Covid May Collide This Winter, Experts Say
Flu cases are higher than usual for this time of year and are expected to soar in the coming weeks. Another virus, R.S.V., already is straining pediatric hospitals in some states.


The POTUS must call an end to a national emergency...Biden HASN'T


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/02/18/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-concerning-the-coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19-pandemic-2/#:~:text=On March 13, 2020, by,and safety of the Nation.
Notice on the Continuation of the National Emergency Concerning the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-⁠19) Pandemic

PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS
On March 13, 2020, by Proclamation 9994, the President declared a national emergency concerning the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic. The COVID-19 pandemic continues to cause significant risk to the public health and safety of the Nation. For this reason, the national emergency declared on March 13, 2020, and beginning March 1, 2020, must continue in effect beyond March 1, 2022.

Therefore, in accordance with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing the national emergency declared in Proclamation 9994 concerning the COVID-19 pandemic.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

Are you on your 8th booster? 😂


"In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone," Pittman wrote. "Instead, we are ruled by a Constitution that provides for three distinct and independent branches of government."

 

[RayGravesGhost]

POTUS declares national emergencies...He also declares them over

FYI for trump supporters & the Texas judge...the Heroes Act has been in effect since 2003...voted into law by BOTH parties...not unconstitutional

The Texas trump judge will be overruled

 

[NavigatorII]

POTUS declares national emergencies...He also declares them over

The Texas trump judge will be overruled

And then reversed by the SCOTUS.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

In this thread alone:

navigator learned that the legal challenges have nothing to do with spending
that the POTUS declares and ends national emergencies
the HEROES Act allows for debt cancellation

And Biden's proposal does EXACTLY what he's been crying for...a capping of loan rates

navi has had a full day of learning and its only 3pm 🤣

 

[NavigatorII]

In this thread alone:

navigator learned that the legal challenges have nothing to do with spending
that the POTUS declares and ends national emergencies
the HEROES Act allows for debt cancellation

And Biden's proposal does EXACTLY what he's been crying for...a capping of loan rates

navi has had a full day of learning and its only 3pm 🤣

I never said lower interest rates. Raise them!! Let them suffer the same pain working stiffs have. 😂

 

[FresnoGator]

No...I was gone a week because of Ian

Sharp moderating there



So I guess your presumption was creative writing then



What was the creative writing comment that you made after I told why I was gone for a week referring to then?

Fast and loose with the truth...

This is the final time addressing your obtuseness. You just don't understand anything you read.

I found the "creative writing" post from Oct. Now pay attention for once:
YOU posted about being gone from the board for reasons dealing with Ian. THEN you accuse ME of making up stories about you and other posters. I then posted that it was good to see your story, since MY creative writing skills needed a break (since I apparently made up stories according to you).

So, to recap:
1 - my comment was about myself
2 - your reading comp is non-existent
3 - your ability to recall / handle the truth remains zero.

BTW, you were gone from the board from Sept. 27 - Oct. 14 per your posting history from TPL
That is a lot longer than "a week".
Learn to read a calendar and to count. And you claim to be a purveyor of "truth"? That's hilarious.

Now follow the rules and leave me out of your little contrived fantasies.

 

[BillCutting4585]

You were gone for a period of time, like several weeks. I presumed you had left. Had no idea why you were gone till you posted about it. And yes, making stuff up is creative writing. Also, FTR, I never said anything about you and the hurricane. Your inability to comprehend what you read astounds ...

Fres, I’ve pointed this out a few times to Dickie. What will really blow your mind is when I decide to explain to Dickie, in full, about his character flaw.

The best part is, he won’t comprehend anything because he only hears, sees and reads what he wants to believe.

A quintessential lefty low IQ supporter

 

[BillCutting4585]

Are you on your 8th booster? 😂


"In this country, we are not ruled by an all-powerful executive with a pen and a phone," Pittman wrote. "Instead, we are ruled by a Constitution that provides for three distinct and independent branches of government."

This all makes sense now.

😂😂😂

 

[FresnoGator]

Fres, I’ve pointed this out a few times to Dickie. What will really blow your mind is when I decide to explain to Dickie, in full, about his character flaw.

The best part is, he won’t comprehend anything because he only hears, sees and reads what he wants to believe.

A quintessential lefty low IQ supporter

The evidence of the above is sadly becoming too overwhelming to ignore ...

 

[BillCutting4585]

The evidence of the above is sadly becoming too overwhelming to ignore ...

He’s not here to debate, he’s here to troll and he’s not good at it. At least I’m not shy about mine as you can tell from earlier in the week 😂😂😂

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

He’s not here to debate, he’s here to troll and he’s not good at it. At least I’m not shy about mine as you can tell from earlier in the week 😂😂😂

This first post I saw of @RayGravesGhost here, he started a thread making a sensational claim about Trump. He then posted an entire 20-page article cut and pasted, and the article said something completely different from his claimed headline.

I don't suffer trolls, and I don't suffer liars.

That was my easiest block ever here.

 

[BillCutting4585]

This first post I saw of @RayGravesGhost here, he started a thread making a sensational claim about Trump. He then posted an entire 20-page article cut and pasted, and the article said something completely different from his claimed headline.

I don't suffer trolls, and I don't suffer liars.

That was my easiest block ever here.

So nothing has changed since day one? Got it!

As I’ve stated many times regarding blocking, to each their own. You use it, I don’t and @BSC911 fake uses it 🤷🏼

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So nothing has changed since day one? Got it!

As I’ve stated many times regarding blocking, to each their own. You use it, I don’t and @BSC911 fake uses it 🤷🏼

@BSC911 uses it then when you bust him replying to you, he claims he took you off.

Notice he can never bust me replying to him. If you always tell the truth, then you never have to remember what you said.

Speaking of which, does @BSC911 have 2 or 3 letters at UF? Was it in tennis or swimming? Does he have a house in Virginia or North Carolina? 4 or 5 socks?

See? Always tell the truth and you never have to remember what you said.

 

[BillCutting4585]

@BSC911 uses it then when you bust him replying to you, he claims he took you off.

Notice he can never bust me replying to him. If you always tell the truth, then you never have to remember what you said.

Speaking of which, does @BSC911 have 2 or 3 letters at UF? Was it in tennis or swimming? Does he have a house in Virginia or North Carolina? 4 or 5 socks?

See? Always tell the truth and you never have to remember what you said.

I thought he said he lettered in pathological lying, I could be wrong

 

[RayGravesGhost]

BTW, you were gone from the board from Sept. 27 - Oct. 14 per your posting history from TPL
That is a lot longer than "a week".
Learn to read a calendar and to count. And you claim to be a purveyor of "truth"? That's hilarious.

Now follow the rules and leave me out of your little contrived fantasies.

The post below was made on October 8th

You should learn how to read a calendar, use the search function, and learn what the word truth means...

Just a tip...maybe you should moderate in private messages rather than keep making mistakes in public. Its not a good look.

You really are waaaay to biased to be a moderator....anywhere

Richardson just completed the 7th start of his career and its the 1st year of this system for everyone on offense, right?

Just checking...

 

[BillCutting4585]

The post below was made on October 8th

You should learn how to read a calendar, use the search function, and learn what the word truth means...

Just a tip...maybe you should moderate in private messages rather than keep making mistakes in public. Its not a good look.

You really are waaaay to biased to be a moderator....anywhere

Maybe you should follow the rules, it’s not that hard