Who said that I was ignoring the future development of EV's?
In fact I implied the exact opposite here...
Batteries cost more than the car
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Who said that I was ignoring the future development of EV's?
In fact I implied the exact opposite here...
And right now, a few office buildings parking garages might offer a free charger, but once they have hundreds+ trying to charge each day, it aint going to be for free any longer.
i drive a tesla model S 100d, best car i have ever driven, bmw, lexus, infiniti, mercedes, nothing is even close. i charge at home for pennies and never have to stop for gas. i can blow virtually any car off the road. you should drive one, they are incredible machines.
Most blowhards can blow big.... 🙄
My new 2020 33 MPG loaded fuel-injected Chevy cost me $27,000.00. I can buy 3 of them for what one 80,000 EV costs.
If I run out of gas on the highway, I can go get a gal can of gas and then make it to a gas station.
If U run out of charge in an EV out on the highway, you're puukered until the tow truck arrives....
Hey, here's a new business venture for the adventurous.
Buy a large flatbed truck, fill it with batteries.
Keep it charged up and offer on the road, any location recharges for the inattentive and/or dumbass EV drivers...
If my motor blows up, (I've never had it happen), I can get a rebuilt motor for about $3,000.
They were buying in Telsla motor and drivetrain units at a cost of $10,000.
A driver in Finland revealed he was quoted approximately $21,000 to replace the battery in his Tesla Model S. The same year, Electrek reported that a driver in the United States was quoted $22,500 for a battery replacement.
(so drive to Finlnad for a $1.500.00 savings...) 😂
I can melt down my old motor for recycling.
What can you do with you expended batteries?
Recycling lithium-ion batteries from EV's The lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can be recycled at the end of their lives, but the process is not cheap, clean or efficient.
How many new coal burning power plants will need to be built to recharge 250,000,000 EV vehicles?
How much to build and install recharging stations all over the country?
I could go on, but you should be getting the idea by now....
Most people can not afford to pay $115,000 to $150,000 for a car.
And you have to pray for no black outs or extended power outages. Plus paying $10,000+ for a new battery every 7 years makes even more unaffordable.
And the worse part, the old batteries are very toxic and dangerous for the environment.
LOL, most poeple wont be buying 115-150k cars, the vast majority of teslas are the model 3 adn the Y, 40-60k, the model S now is only 85. much less than when i bought mine. where are you getting your numbers? Uranus?
that 27k tin can is likely 35k now and it doesnt compare to an 80k car gas or electric, i am not sure what your point is, the model 3 is 40k and will outpreform your chevy on every metric.
I'm not trying to say they aren't what you say they are. I think they're pretty cool...but I wouldn't buy one to save money. That's all I'm saying.
I will add that if you're a person that gets a new vehicle every few years, and you buy one new, you probably can do well financially with the used car market for EV's as it is today.
agree i can do well, but the ev market is also similar to the used computer market,,,, i dont expect to sell my tesla for quite a while, i am going to buy a gas car or hybrid for road trips though, the tesla is awful for road trips, unless you have th patience of a saint, i do not....i didnt buy one to save money that was a side benefit of the car driving like nothing i had ever experienced before. the electric motor is far superior....
LOLOLOL So that car works in your life. Do you understand that it will NOT work in MANY peoples lives with how they use their vehicle? In fact, this whole thing WILL blow up on the manufacturers. They may think they will be able to force us to buy that garbage...but many times the people who buy vehicles have shown the manufactures they will not buy something that they do not want. I will NEVER, EVER own an EV. Does not come CLOSE to fitting my needs. MOST people fall in MY category...not yours
This depends. Actually these vehicles REALLY depreciate as time goes...more so than a traditional vehicle, because the batteries will only last for so long...and every time you charge it it one more day closer to when you will have to replace those VERY expensive batteries
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If you try to sell right before the batteries are expected to die, you're going to take a big hit. If you sell one after two years, there are more people looking to buy than sell which drives the price up, of course.
I would somewhat agree...however I posted an article above you need to read. If batteries really need replacing at 65,000 miles, and they cost 25,000 dollars, and you drive 15000 miles a year...do the math. customers are being LIED to about this for liberal political reasons. EV's are not even CLOSE to being ready to go.
Like ANY electrical appliance (and they have advantages and are nice), they are only as good as their battery life, which is most expensive component.
What happens to those batteries when they are disposed of? Heck how do they get the materials to create them in the first place?This depends. Actually these vehicles REALLY depreciate as time goes...more so than a traditional vehicle, because the batteries will only last for so long...and every time you charge it it one more day closer to when you will have to replace those VERY expensive batteries
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But @Mdfgator believes he is saving the environment. I guess you can't put a price on that.
He apparently missed out on our photos of lithium mines. 😂
Most blowhards can blow big.... 🙄
My new 2020 33 MPG loaded fuel-injected Chevy cost me $27,000.00. I can buy 3 of them for what one 80,000 EV costs.
If I run out of gas on the highway, I can go get a gal can of gas and then make it to a gas station.
If U run out of charge in an EV out on the highway, you're puukered until the tow truck arrives....
Hey, here's a new business venture for the adventurous.
Buy a large flatbed truck, fill it with batteries.
Keep it charged up and offer on the road, any location recharges for the inattentive and/or dumbass EV drivers...
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While I'm pretty sure that you've (as usual) failed to cover all of the points that I brought up....
If my motor blows up, (I've never had it happen), I can get a rebuilt motor for about $3,000.
They were buying in Telsla motor and drivetrain units at a cost of $10,000.
A driver in Finland revealed he was quoted approximately $21,000 to replace the battery in his Tesla Model S. The same year, Electrek reported that a driver in the United States was quoted $22,500 for a battery replacement.
(so drive to Finlnad for a $1.500.00 savings...) 😂
I can melt down my old motor for recycling.
What can you do with you expended batteries?
Recycling lithium-ion batteries from EV's The lithium-ion batteries in electric vehicles can be recycled at the end of their lives, but the process is not cheap, clean or efficient.
How many new coal burning power plants will need to be built to recharge 250,000,000 EV vehicles?
How much to build and install recharging stations all over the country?
I could go on, but you should be getting the idea by now....
PS
I don't live in my car, it's just a way to get from Point A to Point B in comfort. My 'tincan' does that admirably and efficiently. Your $GREEN$ is looking muddy and wasteful to me.
I've never needed an expensive vehicle to bolster my worth as a person, but it seems that you're the kind that does. However, when I occasionally need or want something bigger, like when we go up to the cabin in N.Ca, my fully loaded GMC Cab+ Sierra Vortex 6000 fits the bill. It's a 2005 with 190,000+ miles on it (still runs and rides like new) and with continued maintenance and upkeep, it should be good for another 100,000 miles at least. OnStar, Bose, 7 way heated leather seats, etc...
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there are all types for all types. if youre happy with your little chevy thats all that matters.
for a tesla or a pick up very much so. but its getting a little better. we printed 50% of all dollars every printed int he last two years, the vast majority in 2020, we have yet to see the entire story play out. just the tip.
I once asked @bradleygator what he thought about wind turbines slaughtering birds and how that impacted the environment.
His response? "I don't give a shit about the birds."
I doubt @Mdfgator gives a shit about how the environment is destroyed in the process of creating a car he can never afford.
But supporting your politics? Priceless!
Energy Information Administration FAQs: "The U.S. Energy Information Administration estimates that as of January 1, 2016, there were about 2,462 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of recoverable resources of dry natural gas in the United States.
Safe, clean, efficient, plentiful, and not imported....
Safe, clean, efficient, plentiful, and not imported....
That's some more of your total BS on metrics...
Your + Weight is not a positive imo.
Tesla Model S 100d -
Interior 120.0 cu.ft.
Curb weight: 4,883 lbs.
Gross weight: 5,939 lbs.
Ground clearance: 4.6 in.
Height: 56.9 in.
Width : 77.32 in
Length: 196.0 in. -- 16.30 Ft
0-60 3.1 sec - Standing 1/4 mile 10.7 sec
Battery replacement - $22,000.00
Your's is 5 in wider and 1 ft longer than my little 'tin can'....
And even at $35,000 for a brand new one, I can still buy 2 and have enough left over for a 2 week top of the line vacation....
Since I don't race it, your straight line acceleration is a waste.
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Chevy Equinox 4 Door SUV Turbo, seating for 5.
Interior - 103.2 CuFt
Curb weight 3,325 lbs
Gross weight 4,464 lbs
Ground Clearance: 7.6 in
Height 65.4 in.
Width 72.6 In.
Length 183.1 in -- 15.25 Ft.
0-60 in 6.8 sec - Standing 1/4 in 15.2 sec
Motor rebuild/replace around $3,000.00
This small crossover with it's 6 Spd Auto gets some of the best EPA ratings in the class, and it offers solid handling, a comfortable ride, and an easy-to-use infotainment system. It's also a class leader when it comes to predicted reliability.
The Chevy Equinox provides 29.9 cubic feet of cargo space behind its second row and 63.5 cubic feet with the seats folded. With the back seats folded, I can sleep in it if needed.
you can buy 8 for the price of a ferrari, whats you point that you bought a cheap car?That's some more of your total BS on metrics...
Your + Weight is not a positive imo.
Tesla Model S 100d -
Interior 120.0 cu.ft.
Curb weight: 4,883 lbs.
Gross weight: 5,939 lbs.
Ground clearance: 4.6 in.
Height: 56.9 in.
Width : 77.32 in
Length: 196.0 in. -- 16.30 Ft
0-60 3.1 sec - Standing 1/4 mile 10.7 sec
Battery replacement - $22,000.00
Your's is 5 in wider and 1 ft longer than my little 'tin can'....
And even at $35,000 for a brand new one, I can still buy 2 and have enough left over for a 2 week top of the line vacation....
Since I don't race it, your straight line acceleration is a waste.
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Chevy Equinox 4 Door SUV Turbo, seating for 5.
Interior - 103.2 CuFt
Curb weight 3,325 lbs
Gross weight 4,464 lbs
Ground Clearance: 7.6 in
Height 65.4 in.
Width 72.6 In.
Length 183.1 in -- 15.25 Ft.
0-60 in 6.8 sec - Standing 1/4 in 15.2 sec
Motor rebuild/replace around $3,000.00
This small crossover with it's 6 Spd Auto gets some of the best EPA ratings in the class, and it offers solid handling, a comfortable ride, and an easy-to-use infotainment system. It's also a class leader when it comes to predicted reliability.
The Chevy Equinox provides 29.9 cubic feet of cargo space behind its second row and 63.5 cubic feet with the seats folded. With the back seats folded, I can sleep in it if needed.
Really, what is the point of buying a Ferrari? All that horsepower to drive 70 mph? Wedged into cramped space without any head room, trunk that is smaller than a soft pack cooler, can't tow a boat, trailer, is a death trap in an accident. What's your point? 😂
whats the point to anything, i will only eat top round and canned tuna from now on!!!
Have you ever seen an EV that wasn't charged with fossil fuels?
Sheep live to be hoodwinked.
You get it...VERY good post.That's some more of your total BS on metrics...
Your + Weight is not a positive imo.
Tesla Model S 100d -
Interior 120.0 cu.ft.
Curb weight: 4,883 lbs.
Gross weight: 5,939 lbs.
Ground clearance: 4.6 in.
Height: 56.9 in.
Width : 77.32 in
Length: 196.0 in. -- 16.30 Ft
0-60 3.1 sec - Standing 1/4 mile 10.7 sec
Battery replacement - $22,000.00
Your's is 5 in wider and 1 ft longer than my little 'tin can'....
And even at $35,000 for a brand new one, I can still buy 2 and have enough left over for a 2 week top of the line vacation....
Since I don't race it, your straight line acceleration is a waste.
==========
Chevy Equinox 4 Door SUV Turbo, seating for 5.
Interior - 103.2 CuFt
Curb weight 3,325 lbs
Gross weight 4,464 lbs
Ground Clearance: 7.6 in
Height 65.4 in.
Width 72.6 In.
Length 183.1 in -- 15.25 Ft.
0-60 in 6.8 sec - Standing 1/4 in 15.2 sec
Motor rebuild/replace around $3,000.00
This small crossover with it's 6 Spd Auto gets some of the best EPA ratings in the class, and it offers solid handling, a comfortable ride, and an easy-to-use infotainment system. It's also a class leader when it comes to predicted reliability.
The Chevy Equinox provides 29.9 cubic feet of cargo space behind its second row and 63.5 cubic feet with the seats folded. With the back seats folded, I can sleep in it if needed.
Let me help you here...his car is not totaled when the battery needs replaces..or even the motor. your will be...or very close to it. And that battery will probably last between 65000-100,000 miles.
the battary will last longer than that, much. and i expect the price of the battaries to continue to come down as the power goes up. just like all of tech. i dont know why you guys fight ghosts that dont exist... Irrational.
IIRC, we got off on this tangent because I stated that cars like the Tesla you drive are cool and they're a fine novelty but from a purely economic standpoint, they don't make sense yet.
I don't see that as fighting a ghost that doesn't exist yet.
It's fine that you bought one. Seriously, I'm glad that you did as your purchase would help to continue their research in a true free market. So clearly I'm not offering any sort of judgment on your decision. I merely offered my thoughts on why I didn't make the same decision.
Also noteworthy...I have an uncle that just ordered one about two months ago. He should receive his in another month or so if I understood him. He paid over $100k for his.
When I asked him why, I thought his answer was great. He's getting pretty old and he is no longer a great driver and sometimes can't exactly remember how to get to the places he needs to get to even though he has been to them MANY times. He is hoping that the auto-driving ability of the Tesla has bought him a few more years of independence. Pretty sound reasoning imho.
"The STUPID is strong in this one"...... (Darth Vader voice)
they do make economic sense, thats the point. you dont want them too for some very odd reason.
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