This is just a lie. Quit lying, son...even a third grader knows this is not true.
Batteries cost more than the car
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Don't hate anything, EV's are neat tech. But that's ALL they are, super fancy golf carts.
1) Not practical for long distances.
2) Don't break even emissions-wise until 60k. Even after you're best-case is a 20% improvement over a combustion vehicle.
3) Won't end the use of oil - you do know that plastics, semiconductors, seat foam, screens, etc are all made from petroleum by products, don't you? Not to mention the lithium pools and the greenhouse gasses exhausted mining the precious minerals that China controls to make the batteries...but you're a lib so you don't have to really think, just do as your told.
Driving electric cars produces little carbon. Making the batteries produces a lot.
Electric cars sales are up 66 percent this year. President Joe Biden promotes them, saying things like, "The great American road trip is going to be
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"Electric cars are amazing," says physicist Mark Mills of the Manhattan Institute. "But they won't change the future in any significant way [as far as] oil use or carbon dioxide emissions."
"The world has 15, 18 million electric vehicles now," says Mills. "If we [somehow] get to 500 million, that would reduce world oil consumption by about 10 percent. That's not nothing, but it doesn't end the use of oil."
Even if all vehicles somehow did switch to electricity, there's another problem: Electricity isn't very green.
I laugh talking to friends who are all excited about their electric car, assuming it doesn't pollute. They go silent when I ask, "Where does your car's electricity come from?"
"She's not stupid," he replies. "But ignorance speaks to what you know. You have to mine, somewhere on earth, 500,000 pounds of minerals and rock to make one battery."
American regulations make mining difficult, so most of it is done elsewhere, polluting those countries. Some mining is done by children. Some is done in places that use slave labor.
Even if those horrors didn't exist, mining itself adds lots of carbon to the air.
"If you're worried about carbon dioxide," says Mills, "the electric vehicle has emitted 10 to 20 tons of carbon dioxide [from the mining, manufacturing, and shipping] before it even gets to your driveway."
"Volkswagen published an honest study [in which they] point out that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle."
You would have to drive an electric car "100,000 miles" to reduce emissions by just "20 or 30 percent, which is not nothing, but it's not zero."
I did get the sense that you were an "independent", but, as you note (paraphrasing), you like to "roll around in it" with "it" being the dialogue.
We are hardening on both sides. I am center-left on social issues, and center-right on economic and immigration ones. For decades, I thought I was the majority. This board, other discussion and even the NYT suggested that my platform is, at most now 20%.
So, the question is, for those of us who love our country, and despite the heated rhetoric at times on this board, I think we all love our country, flaws and all, is how do we move forward.
That is the concern. Similar to the mandates and vaccination attempts, is we as a country expend phenomenal energy and cost to only improve things at the margin.
I do think that EVs should be a large part of the solution and are very good tech. Yes - one could say that are super fancy golf carts.
I think it is also very cool, and practical, when your solar can power your home and car. Best part of it - I do not need to rely on the government/monopoly utilities at all times. That has a libertarian appeal.
But - removing combustion vehicles is likely not the right answer either.
Added to all of this...customers are not buying them for multiple reasons. This is a political boondoggle, that there IS a need for...however we are WAY too early and because these politicians are being paid kickbacks...the pressure to convert is being FORCED on us before the product/technology is ready. Guys, I do this for a living and am dealing with all of this at work. Unless something changes..this is setup for failure. People lie DMF claim these EV's are cleaner...however are not bright enough to know that unless they have solar power, or a windmill at their house....coal and natural gas are how their EV's are feeding themselves.Don't hate anything, EV's are neat tech. But that's ALL they are, super fancy golf carts.
1) Not practical for long distances.
2) Don't break even emissions-wise until 60k. Even after you're best-case is a 20% improvement over a combustion vehicle.
3) Won't end the use of oil - you do know that plastics, semiconductors, seat foam, screens, etc are all made from petroleum by products, don't you? Not to mention the lithium pools and the greenhouse gasses exhausted mining the precious minerals that China controls to make the batteries...but you're a lib so you don't have to really think, just do as your told.
Driving electric cars produces little carbon. Making the batteries produces a lot.
Electric cars sales are up 66 percent this year. President Joe Biden promotes them, saying things like, "The great American road trip is going to be
"Electric cars are amazing," says physicist Mark Mills of the Manhattan Institute. "But they won't change the future in any significant way [as far as] oil use or carbon dioxide emissions."
"The world has 15, 18 million electric vehicles now," says Mills. "If we [somehow] get to 500 million, that would reduce world oil consumption by about 10 percent. That's not nothing, but it doesn't end the use of oil."
Even if all vehicles somehow did switch to electricity, there's another problem: Electricity isn't very green.
I laugh talking to friends who are all excited about their electric car, assuming it doesn't pollute. They go silent when I ask, "Where does your car's electricity come from?"
"She's not stupid," he replies. "But ignorance speaks to what you know. You have to mine, somewhere on earth, 500,000 pounds of minerals and rock to make one battery."
American regulations make mining difficult, so most of it is done elsewhere, polluting those countries. Some mining is done by children. Some is done in places that use slave labor.
Even if those horrors didn't exist, mining itself adds lots of carbon to the air.
"If you're worried about carbon dioxide," says Mills, "the electric vehicle has emitted 10 to 20 tons of carbon dioxide [from the mining, manufacturing, and shipping] before it even gets to your driveway."
"Volkswagen published an honest study [in which they] point out that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle."
You would have to drive an electric car "100,000 miles" to reduce emissions by just "20 or 30 percent, which is not nothing, but it's not zero."
And then there is the lithium...from CHINA(are you starting to see the payoff situation now with Hunter from China?) They have 75-80% of all the lithium on this planet. That does NOT work...especially when we have HUNDREDS of years of fossil fuels left to use. This is not just a democrat boondoggle...."republicans" are in on it too to a lessor extent.
In summation, we WILL be electric one day...but it is WAY, WAY too early, and they are trying to ram it down our throats so that THEY can get paid.
We missed clean diesel...just ignored it. Because they are shifting money AWAY from the oil industry..who must not be playing their game the way they like it(to get paid)
I do not in fact agree with a lot of his points.
I think many EV's are very cool cars but they are very clearly not a replacement for combustion engines...not yet and perhaps they never will be. Perhaps the answer will be Hydrogen or maybe it will be some other unknown.
The most damning evidence against EV's replacing combustion engines is that they are not in fact cleaner. They're simply dirty in different ways. To make matters worse, they are VERY expensive and only the wealthy will be able to have one. Secretly that is the point for these liberal socialists. It's their dirty secret and I personally find it disgusting.
So sure, if you reduce the number of cars in America from 300 million to ~10 million, you'll have less carbon emissions in this country. And that is the real goal here...because there's absolutely no way we will replace 300 million combustion engines vehicles with 300 million EV's.
1. We can't produce the batteries
2. We can't generate the electricity to charge them even if we could produce the batteries
3. Even if we overcome 1 and 2, the VAST majority of Americans can't afford to replace their vehicles with EV's
Perhaps mdf is actually too ignorant to understand the above but either way, he's FOS.
Remember the 51 intelligence "experts" that said Hunters laptop was Russian disinformation? Well the people that scream man made global warming are the same kind of people, doing EXACTLY the same thing...misleading dummies.
And we have not even talked about how outdated and underperforming most of our power grids are. They are NOT ready for an influx of EV fast chargers. This ALL will come to roost
you and i are very close, although you likely vote i do not, i really could give a shit who is president, i have not been impressed with any of them. I dont think we all love our country, i think too many love what they think the country once was. what was it 30-50 years ago?? much much whiter, more male dominant and more reliant on christianity, we had two live crew hauled into congress by the thumpers in the early 90's. I mean WTF!!!
i drive a tesla, its not a golf cart, this is why its obvious that you dooooooo have an issue with them, you identify them with the climate thumpers. i get that thumpers of any flavor are annoying as they cannot be reasoned with, my car is the best i have ever owned, and i have had most of the good ones. glad to see you unblocked me, i hate when i see men acting like mice.Don't hate anything, EV's are neat tech. But that's ALL they are, super fancy golf carts.
1) Not practical for long distances.
2) Don't break even emissions-wise until 60k. Even after you're best-case is a 20% improvement over a combustion vehicle.
3) Won't end the use of oil - you do know that plastics, semiconductors, seat foam, screens, etc are all made from petroleum by products, don't you? Not to mention the lithium pools and the greenhouse gasses exhausted mining the precious minerals that China controls to make the batteries...but you're a lib so you don't have to really think, just do as your told.
Driving electric cars produces little carbon. Making the batteries produces a lot.
Electric cars sales are up 66 percent this year. President Joe Biden promotes them, saying things like, "The great American road trip is going to be
"Electric cars are amazing," says physicist Mark Mills of the Manhattan Institute. "But they won't change the future in any significant way [as far as] oil use or carbon dioxide emissions."
"The world has 15, 18 million electric vehicles now," says Mills. "If we [somehow] get to 500 million, that would reduce world oil consumption by about 10 percent. That's not nothing, but it doesn't end the use of oil."
Even if all vehicles somehow did switch to electricity, there's another problem: Electricity isn't very green.
I laugh talking to friends who are all excited about their electric car, assuming it doesn't pollute. They go silent when I ask, "Where does your car's electricity come from?"
"She's not stupid," he replies. "But ignorance speaks to what you know. You have to mine, somewhere on earth, 500,000 pounds of minerals and rock to make one battery."
American regulations make mining difficult, so most of it is done elsewhere, polluting those countries. Some mining is done by children. Some is done in places that use slave labor.
Even if those horrors didn't exist, mining itself adds lots of carbon to the air.
"If you're worried about carbon dioxide," says Mills, "the electric vehicle has emitted 10 to 20 tons of carbon dioxide [from the mining, manufacturing, and shipping] before it even gets to your driveway."
"Volkswagen published an honest study [in which they] point out that the first 60,000 miles or so you're driving an electric vehicle, that electric vehicle will have emitted more carbon dioxide than if you just drove a conventional vehicle."
You would have to drive an electric car "100,000 miles" to reduce emissions by just "20 or 30 percent, which is not nothing, but it's not zero."
its not, there are no more fires with ev cars than ice cars. gas is kind a combustible... lots of lithium ion battaries out ther...most not in cars.
not sure what board you are on, these little hyenas circle the few libs on here and are ruthless. i am simply playing by the rules. and they are sheep, it is what it is, most people are.I agree with a lot of your points, I would bet that many agree as well including Bama.
Calling people sheep, monkeys, snowflakes, bible thumpers....e.g. "deplorables" is exactly what is wrong with our civil discourse nowadays. It distracts from the main points.
It's not just you, it's the elite left as noted well by David Brooks:
Opinion | What if We’re the Bad Guys Here?
How the modern meritocracy made Trump inevitable.www.nytimes.com
When central governments (NY, CA, etc.) prevent combustion sales, remove gas stoves, etc. with an overarching, non-nuanced mantra, of "you are killing the planet" with over the top degrees of moral approbation and preening you get the response you see on this board. Also, when people cite the emissions from other countries such as China and India, you get a response ranging from, "you had the benefits of colonialism and the industrial revolution, let them have theirs" to a plainer, "you are racist".
This is what your "sheep" are reacting to.
I am not seeking to be argumentative, just suggesting that you may want to be a bit more reflective in listening and responding.
I just happened to run across this after putting goofball on ignore.
Now imagine a much larger battery after a serious accident.
No, I'm not anti-EV's...but I am pro common sense and science.
Now imagine a much larger battery after a serious accident.
No, I'm not anti-EV's...but I am pro common sense and science.
Thanks for doing your part @Mdfgator
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The shit you people read and believe. It boggles the mind.Thanks for doing your part @Mdfgator
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Maybe Farley should consider ditching these vehicles altogether and go back to promoting gas-powered cars instead. They are cheaper, easier to drive, and less prone to fires compared to their electric counterparts.
Such a move would mean admitting defeat and risk angering the Biden regime which wants gas-powered cars wiped off the planet with one exception: their own.
WATCH: Ford CEO Gets Hit with a "Reality Check" While Driving One of His Overpriced Electric Vehicles | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger
It turns out the CEO of Ford Motors was completely oblivious to the challenges of driving overpriced electric vehicles until actually taking one for a spin.
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DMF..please read this article! I TOLD YOU SO...son
Maybe Farley should consider ditching these vehicles altogether and go back to promoting gas-powered cars instead. They are cheaper, easier to drive, and less prone to fires compared to their electric counterparts.
Such a move would mean admitting defeat and risk angering the Biden regime which wants gas-powered cars wiped off the planet with one exception: their own.
WATCH: Ford CEO Gets Hit with a "Reality Check" While Driving One of His Overpriced Electric Vehicles | The Gateway Pundit | by Cullen Linebarger
It turns out the CEO of Ford Motors was completely oblivious to the challenges of driving overpriced electric vehicles until actually taking one for a spin.
He’s too busy laughing at child slave labor to read anything.
Causing human suffering is ok as long as it aligns with his religion, I mean his politics.
The facts that lithium batteries cause massive amounts of human suffering, damage the environment and make us much more reliant upon China, and people driving EV's are exponentially contributing to those issues, have nothing to do with Biden.
He's not making you buy destructive transportation, you're doing that all on your own.
You are one of the mos tinformed on this board..you KNOW they do not care about how something may hurt America.
i dont know what planet you live on, i really dont. you sound like an ecoterrorist but with less truth on your side. simple bananas. i never understood trying to fight banans with more bananas.
Can you repost this comment with some substance? Can you shoot ANY holes in his comments...or since it proves that you know ZERO about what you are talking about...you just call names? Just for your information...he is 100% correct in everything he posted.
He's provides ZERO value, and never makes a coherent point. He just calls names and makes obtuse statements that barely relate to the point.
He's the message board equivalent of an ape throwing his own poop in a zoo enclosure.
Especially when he can no longer afford a gold membership.
Lol, list me the downside of ice cars nickel there is an avalanche of info out there, instead you idiots focus on the emerging technology that’s clearly cleaner and will be the future. It’s not just cleaner it’s a far superior machine, it’s not close. I have driven a Tessy for 6 years now I will never drive another ice vehicle. Stop swinging at ghosts you little snowflake. Embrace change embrace progress. Don’t run away like a little sissy
Lamborghini's first EV 'perfectly matches the DNA' of the brand, CEO says
Italian exotic carmaker Lamborghini made a splash at this year’s Monterey Car Week, debuting its first-ever EV, years ahead of schedule.
Lambos getting in the game. Don’t want to be left behind…
My Laawwwwddddd...you are truly not very bright. So PLEASE read this VERY carefully. EVERY word, and I WILL educate you.
1. EVERYONE has different wants and needs concerning the vehicles they buy. So saying how great EV's are is just ridiculous. For instance...someone towing a trailer around town (or worse..out of town) it SEVERELY reduces the range. EV's will never in my lifetime work for those people. If you take trips and drive many hours, they are not ready for prime time here either..yet. For people that think they are doing better for the environment...that is a lie. (unless they have one hell of a windmill...or solar power at their house.) MANY peoples vehicle needs do not, and never will fit the EV scene.
2. Power grid is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being able to handle EV chargers. Hell, the lib chithole cities(God we have SO many of those) cannot even handle what the have now...much less when thousands of high output charges hit the system.
3. EV's ARE the future...but because politicians want to get paid humongous kickbacks...EV's are being forced down our throats...way too early.
4. When will they stop catching on fire? 10 times more vehicle fires from EV's...and they are almost impossible to put the fires out.
5. People do not want this forced down their throats. Putting unreachable deadlines for total conversion is just libs doing what they do...LIE better than anyone on the planet. I will NEVER own one. (for two reasons) I live one mile from my work...95% of my driving is done there. Twice a year, I tow a 5000 lb boat 4-600 miles one way. I refuse to stop every 80 miles to charge a vehicle when my diesel can make 300 miles on a tank.
6. I LOVE America, and refuse to help our #2 enemy hold us hostage. China has 75-80% of the worlds lithium supply. NO GOOD AMERICAN should willingly help them hold us hostage
7. EV's will depreciate at unbelievable levels. Batteries are somewhere between 15-30K, and last on AVERAGE 6 years and 100,000 miles. Prorate that in to your deprecation.
EV’s are not the future. They are cool tech and have a niche, but they aren’t replacing the gas powered vehicle.
Another fuel like hydrogen someday will.
The EV push is a globalist push - it has more to do with control than the environment.
You get it...however it is also about politicians getting rich. I have come to the conclusion most bills that are passed are done so to either keep politicians power, or pay them off. Too many multi-millionaires on 175k salaries
They’ll still get their kickbacks.
But the issues surrounding EV’s won’t go away. China controls the market on the finite resources to make batteries. They will never be profitable and the gov’t won’t subsidize forever.
And none of this even speaks to what you point out - no one wants a truck you can’t tow with or a car you can’t go across the country in. Demand is major issue.
Just do not want to have to fight uncle sugar for a charge! Is this not the most TYPICAL democrat ever?? Elite...F you all..do as I say not as I do
911 call reveals chaotic scene as Biden's energy secretary hogged EV charger for photo-op
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