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Anyone Watching These Hearings Today

Ghost is trolling. He doesn't think it was Antifa. He thinks that some people were (in his mind) rightly outraged and went too far.
Great. Now we've got trolls libsplaining what we really think.

antifa member John Sullivan filmed himself entering the capitol. He was seen wearing Trump gear.

Viking man and his two buddies that the media told @fsu939913 was 'QAnon' was photographed participating in BLM rallies in Michigan.

Video was shown of cops removing barriers, opening the doors to the capitol, and inviting people in.

There's nothing to 'think'. The evidence tells us what happened.
 
I know it’s on Don Lemon, who I can’t stand, but try to focus on the call this police officer got during his testimony. It’s at the 6 minute mark, and sounds like the Trumpers OTB. This is Trumps America. Thank God we’ve moved on.

 
SO CONFUSING. Was the Jan. 6 mostly peaceful protest: 1. A planned insurrection; or 2. This happened because of Trump’s speech and call for his followers to March to the Capital. It can not be both. Trump had not even finished his speech when the protest began. OH, I GET IT, it’s whatever will cause the most political damage to Trump.
 
SO CONFUSING. Was the Jan. 6 mostly peaceful protest: 1. A planned insurrection; or 2. This happened because of Trump’s speech and call for his followers to March to the Capital. It can not be both. Trump had not even finished his speech when the protest began. OH, I GET IT, it’s whatever will cause the most political damage to Trump.
Actually it can be both. Certainly some came well armed and preplanned the attack. Others were incited by Trump and others once the ball got rolling. It’s group dynamics.

So, you’re wrong. It can be some of both.
 
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Actually it can be both. Certainly some came well armed and preplanned the attack. Others were incited by Trump and others once the ball got rolling. It’s group dynamics.

So, you’re wrong. It can be some of both.
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I would be careful about reflexsive terminology such as "debunked". For example:

At the behest of the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund announced his resignation the following day, effective January 16, 2021.[38]

If she was not in control, how did this happen? So, if it was very clear that there was an Insurrection coming (and by the way, if there was an insurrection and people were so wildly open on social media platforms planning this), why was she not alerted and made provisions. If she did make provisions and McConnell blocked them, so be it.

She, perhaps identical to what happened in the summer, did the minimum to protect our institutions.

And like you, I am no particular fan of Pelosi nor of the right wing firebrands but I am tired of the endless political theater. These people breached the capital in the middle of an election and should be held accountable in a court of law and in our jails.

This hearing either needs to get at a reasonable fact pattern and a deeper understanding or dismissed as political theater. Having four police officers, patriotic Americans to be sure, talk about their feelings on the event does not give us a deeper understanding.
Idk the what Pelosi did or didn't do. What I do know is saying she was in charge is inaccurate. That part is debunked and is being made political. Questioning the board is ok, why didn't the board decide to send more cops but to single out her is disingenuous. Also, Cheney and Adam K said they will investigate that but the investigation won't be about that like McCarthy and crew wants it to be.

I don't recall the Capitol being breached doing the summer of 2020. Provide link?

The officers told their account with body cams to support it. I know one officer was said to be lying about saying he had kids comment but that was proved that he did say that. Saying what they saw and heard is important testimony. You don't think say? People have gotten death penalties because someone seen or heard them commit/plan a crime. We've learned/learned yesterday that people directly said Trump send them and they were there to stop the steal. We've learned/confirmed that it wasn't peaceful as some was saying, we learned/confirmed that mindset of some of the people there. We learned/confirmed that it wasn't Antifa/BLM. Alot was learned yesterday besides the emotional stuff.
 
Actually it can be both. Certainly some came well armed and preplanned the attack. Others were incited by Trump and others once the ball got rolling. It’s group dynamics.

So, you’re wrong. It can be some of both.
Adam. Lol. Seriously! Do u think if gop ppl came to riot or take over the capital they wouldn’t be armed ? This was planned by some antifa/white Supremacists. This wasn’t mega cause if it was we wouldn’t have a problem taking it over with. Lol. This is how dumb u and ur party is. U actually think trump started this. If trump wanted us to fight for him and take over the capital there isn’t shit u or ur party could do to stop it. Just look at how many attend his rallies. So stfu with trump instigated this. That’s dumb.
 
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Merely wearing a badge doesn’t put that person beyond reproach, nor does it convey the ability to walk on water.
I agree but Republicans are home of the Blue Lives Matter for the most part. Guess it goes away if that Blue life is Blue 🤫🤔
 
Nope. It’s if they are being truthful and not posing with the leader of the house. Lol.
Why does that matter? Cops pose with plenty of politicians on both sides. So you're basically saying if a cop pose with a democrat then that's one reason not to care about them?
 
I think you are overestimated Ghost though. He truly is that delusional.
I just saw his post. Yeah, you’re right.

the lack of police presence and coordination is on multiple agencies, the DC Mayor and Pelosi.

On the other side, if Ghost really thinks he can deduce that it was all Antifa, then he has lost it.
 
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I didn't bring up the sergeant of arms you did.

Correct, I did. I did so to point out that he reported directly to Pelosi. Not a committee...to Pelosi. Those are the house rules. It's not a gray area; this is black and white.


Your link even called it "mostly false". So idk.

I purposely picked a liberal fact checker that would verbatim tell you that the House Majority Leader (in this case Pelosi) was in fact who the SAA reported to. The SAA was and is responsible for House security. That ends this debate.

Yes, politifact called it mostly false. What did they call false? That Pelosi was in charge of the Capitol Police...which is something that no one is claiming. So they fact checked something that isn't be claimed ='s red herring.

This is too stupid to be an actual debate. On that note, 2+2 does actually = 4. That's not up for debate either.
 
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Like I said, you're playing the "I didn't directly say it" game. So you can imply it then question how do I know what you're thinking game. Everyone does it on certain topics and you're doing it now. Everyone knows what youre doing and that's why the hard right on this board having attacked you this topic and it's why you replied to the "liberals". Your dog whistle is louder than you think. It is what it is. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Only a narcissist would say something like the above.

I'm not saying it but YOU know it's what I believe?

Do you know how easy it would be for me to flip this crap back on you? Because I KNOW what you really think even if you won't say it?

You're an idiot.
 
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See, this is what we’re talking about. Who GAF about the Sargent at Arms? This thread is about the people that attacked the capitol and you spend most of your time talking about secondary matters. I don’t know if you do it intentionally, or are just trying to save face with the Trumpers, but it’s very obvious.

The claim was made that it was fake news that the Majority Leader is in fact in charge of House Security. The SAA is relevant to that debate.

If you do not wish to discuss the SAA, stop lying about Pelosi's role. Seems simple imo.


who was the SAA during 9/11? Should we focus on that guy as well?

If it was relevant to another lie that you and your liar buddy were telling, absolutely.
 
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Thats not true. Already been debunked. It's ran by a chair, not one person.

Fake news...and already debunked. You read as much from a liberal fact checker...so you know you are lying. Here it is again...

No, Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility, but she bears some​

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT​

  • Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.
  • The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.
 
Fake news...and already debunked. You read as much from a liberal fact checker...so you know you are lying. Here it is again...

No, Capitol security is not only Pelosi’s responsibility, but she bears some​

IF YOUR TIME IS SHORT​

  • Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.
  • The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.
It's more to it then this. Not sure why you can't understand that.
 
It's more to it then this. Not sure why you can't understand that.

It's in black and white from politifact, a left leaning website. I'm not sure why you can't read and understand it.

You are making claims and not backing them up. I am making claims and backing them up...using politifact ffs. But you can't understand why I don't believe your feelings over my fact.

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Great. Now we've got trolls libsplaining what we really think.

antifa member John Sullivan filmed himself entering the capitol. He was seen wearing Trump gear.

Viking man and his two buddies that the media told @fsu939913 was 'QAnon' was photographed participating in BLM rallies in Michigan.

Video was shown of cops removing barriers, opening the doors to the capitol, and inviting people in.

There's nothing to 'think'. The evidence tells us what happened.

You were the viking boy, just be honest. Also, viking boy was at trump rallys and posting pro trump stuff all over social media for yrs.
 
“The Speaker is responsible for all operational decisions made within the House,” Republican Reps. Jim Jordan, Rodney Davis, James Comer, and Devin Nunes wrote in a letter.

Before Congress convened on Jan. 6, Chief of the Capitol Police Steve Sund asked the Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who reports to Pelosi, for permission to activate the National Guard.

Irving denied the request, stating that neither the “optics” nor preliminary reports about potential violence justified the activation.

“Did Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving get permission or instruction from your staff on January 4th prior to denying Chief Sund’s request for the national guard?,” the Republicans asked.

After Jan. 6, Pelosi fired Irving and forced Sund to resign without consulting House Republicans.
 
“The Speaker is responsible for all operational decisions made within the House,” Republican Reps. Jim Jordan, Rodney Davis, James Comer, and Devin Nunes wrote in a letter.

Before Congress convened on Jan. 6, Chief of the Capitol Police Steve Sund asked the Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving, who reports to Pelosi, for permission to activate the National Guard.

Irving denied the request, stating that neither the “optics” nor preliminary reports about potential violence justified the activation.

“Did Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving get permission or instruction from your staff on January 4th prior to denying Chief Sund’s request for the national guard?,” the Republicans asked.

After Jan. 6, Pelosi fired Irving and forced Sund to resign without consulting House Republicans.
It's like any other business. The guy may report to her but that doesn't mean that she's involved with day to day operations or operations at all (Which people have already said that she isn't). At my job, my boss has no idea what we do daily. She trust me to do my job and if it's not correct, ill be held accountable. This is pretty standard.
 
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