A SHAMEFUL Happening on Florida Field...

[GatorGray]

And I swear that ref deliberately threw a block.

I'm all for trashing the Refs, as they have earned it. However, I don't agree with this one. Watch the play HERE (starts at 0:30 mark), the ref is moving out of the hole that the RB is coming through (like he is supposed to do). Neal runs up behind/on the blind side of the ref. What exactly was the Ref supposed to do?

 

[CompuGator]

Who makes these rules? NCAA or the college presidents?

Apparently all of the above, altho' <http://www.ncaa.org/> seems not to have any standing Web page that gives a straightforward description of its process.[#]

A news article I found from 2012 mentions a "two-year cycle process" (obviously named by their Committee of Redundancy Committee).

The organization called the NCAA "Football Rules Committee"[*], which at least includes more-or-less reputable college football coaches, seems only to have authority to recommend rules[**]. Then there's a period for (preliminary?) comment by "the NCAA membership", which is reviewed by a "Playing Rules Oversight Panel" whose (later) approval is required. I take it that it's "the NCAA membership" who gets to vote on proposals approved by that "Panel" and that "membership" vote (formally probably the president of each, but maybe often practically delegated, case-by-case, to the athletic director) either ratifies or rejects the committee proposals as "football rules".

Of course, the regular known as "Numbers" might be able to provide a detailed & accurate summary of the rule-making process from memory.

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Note #: The NCAA Web site seems to just looove PDF files. But I practically never open PDF files as the result of Internet searches, because because such files remain a vector for malware, enabled by years of sloppy coding for which Adobe became notorious. It ain't worth the risk for research for posting on Internet forums, because that's typically a recreational activity. So eff <http://www.ncaa.org/>.

Note *: I thought it was called the NCAA "Football Competition Committee"--and maybe it once was. But Wikipedia articles call it the "NCAA Football Rules Committee", i.e.: "The NCAA Rules Committee often follows recommendations made by the [American Football Coaches Association]". <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Coaches_Association>.

Note **: Last time I heard the name of its chairman mentioned, he was Vince Dooley (retired from his UGa A.D. job). But what with him now being 83 years old (Mobile, Ala. native: 1932), It looks as if he's stepped down since then. But the 2012 press release to which I alluded identified someone else: "'In all of our proposals, we are continuing the annual effort to find ways to make our game safer where we can,' said Scot Dapp, chair of the committee and athletics director at Moravian College". Say what!? A member in good standing of the Central European Conference?

 

[MJWilliamson]

Agree with the targeting rule or not. But relative to how it is assessed, I agreed with the one called last night. That was head to head on a QB. I thought they got the one against Cronkite wrong. Also, the defensive holding call right before that was also right.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I don't know about the targeting call, but I was yelling at the tv on the two "reviewed" plays - the TD they reversed and the fumble by CeCe that wasn't. There was NO indisputable evidence that the catch in the end zone was on the ground and with the fumble, he was flat on his back when the ball came out. Ridiculous calls! If those were called like they should have been, we would have scored at least 10 more points. Without the ref's blocking help, they would not have a TD. Should have been a 19-0 final. Oh well, on to Atlanta!

Yep. For consistency, if that was not a catch, then that was not a fumble. If it was a catch, then it was a fumble

 

[46885]

In the Bama/LSU game last night, a Bama special teams player tackled the punt returner before he even had the ball and no flag thrown for not giving the return man a yard of space, yet we've been penalized TWICE for same thing and they were both less egregious than the Bama one.

This is exactly what im talking about

 

[GatorNation79]

In the Bama/LSU game last night, a Bama special teams player tackled the punt returner before he even had the ball and no flag thrown for not giving the return man a yard of space, yet we've been penalized TWICE for same thing and they were both less egregious than the Bama one.

lol...I was screaming when that happened...thinking the same thing...we have been flagged twice for "being too close" when the Bama player literally had an arm around the guy before the ball even got into his arms. I was like WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This stuff drives me crazy.

 

[GatorNation79]

The targeting rule is what it is. It's the rule. Maybe they will modify it, I hope so, because it seems extreme, but it's in place because of the number of neck injuries and concussions in the game. Anyway, if correct form as coached ends in a targeting penalty, then a new form needs to be coached.

As for the Vandy refs, it was a typical Vandy ref job. Clear favoritism to Vandy. On spots alone we got screwed. I saw their QB get a full extra half yard on a third down run that gave them the first down, and I saw Kelvin Taylor dive and land ball first where the ball hit the yellow line exactly and they marked him back a half yard. And I swear that ref deliberately threw a block.

Not that it's anything new. I remember Percy Harvin having the ball swatted away while he had extended it a full yard into the end zone and it be called a fumble recovered by Vandy. It's been going on for decades. But it's never helped them win a single game against us.

Oh, one other thing. in the LSU-Bama game, I saw a Bama player on punt coverage start tackling the punt returner before the ball ever got there. I remember the multiple 15 yard penalties we have gotten for hitting too soon AFTER the ball got there. But, no call, no mention by the announcers. It's good to see that the Bama double standard is still alive and well in the SEC.

Sorry we aren't talking about cheap shots...we are talking about hard hits and blocks...that is being called as targeting. It's garbage.

 

[NavigatorII]

Sorry we aren't talking about cheap shots...we are talking about hard hits and blocks...that is being called as targeting. It's garbage.

The targeting call was pure BS. I saw it 3 times on replay. He lit up the QB and that's what heat off the corners is supposed to do............. clearly looked to me it was a text book tackle, face mask to shoulder pads of the QB. The collision was so violent the QB's head snapped back........much like if you were wearing your seat belt and T-boned in traffic with no blow to the head. Stupid BS call. What's worse, the booth officials who clearly saw the play upheld the call. It's almost if the replay officials have been told to get the backs of the idiots on the field. There have been a ton of terrible calls upheld this season, with the worst being the UM game where they reviewed the damn play for 9 minutes and still couldn't get it right.

 

[gatorshime]

Apparently all of the above, altho' <http://www.ncaa.org/> seems not to have any standing Web page that gives a straightforward description of its process.[#]

A news article I found from 2012 mentions a "two-year cycle process" (obviously named by their Committee of Redundancy Committee).

The organization called the NCAA "Football Rules Committee"[*], which at least includes more-or-less reputable college football coaches, seems only to have authority to recommend rules[**]. Then there's a period for (preliminary?) comment by "the NCAA membership", which is reviewed by a "Playing Rules Oversight Panel" whose (later) approval is required. I take it that it's "the NCAA membership" who gets to vote on proposals approved by that "Panel" and that "membership" vote (formally probably the president of each, but maybe often practically delegated, case-by-case, to the athletic director) either ratifies or rejects the committee proposals as "football rules".

Of course, the regular known as "Numbers" might be able to provide a detailed & accurate summary of the rule-making process from memory.

-------
Note #: The NCAA Web site seems to just looove PDF files. But I practically never open PDF files as the result of Internet searches, because because such files remain a vector for malware, enabled by years of sloppy coding for which Adobe became notorious. It ain't worth the risk for research for posting on Internet forums, because that's typically a recreational activity. So eff <http://www.ncaa.org/>.

Note *: I thought it was called the NCAA "Football Competition Committee"--and maybe it once was. But Wikipedia articles call it the "NCAA Football Rules Committee", i.e.: "The NCAA Rules Committee often follows recommendations made by the [American Football Coaches Association]". <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_Coaches_Association>.

Note **: Last time I heard the name of its chairman mentioned, he was Vince Dooley (retired from his UGa A.D. job). But what with him now being 83 years old (Mobile, Ala. native: 1932), It looks as if he's stepped down since then. But the 2012 press release to which I alluded identified someone else: "'In all of our proposals, we are continuing the annual effort to find ways to make our game safer where we can,' said Scot Dapp, chair of the committee and athletics director at Moravian College". Say what!? A member in good standing of the Central European Conference?

Wow how long did that take?

What about CeCe's ass being down and then.being called a fumble? Pure bullshit call.

 

[46885]

The calls they were making in that game couldn't have just been that bad over and over again from watching the review. They looked deliberate

The 2nd drive of the game Treon throws a deep ball to Thompson, epitome of PI on the defense he did nothing to look for the ball and just basically tackled him bringing him down and away from the ball... all about 2 yards away from the official right in front of his face standing at the pylon


How about the first down they gave Vandy when they were a yard short and never even measured it... then about a drive later Kelvin is flying in the air about a yard over the marker and they mark it 3rd and 1. Absolutely pathetic and im sick of seeing it keep happening one sided, our staff has to see it... and they need to do something about it.

 

[Blue/Orange]

There were a lot of bad calls on Saturday's game. However, the turnovers and lack of offence didn't help either.

 

[NavigatorII]

The calls they were making in that game couldn't have just been that bad over and over again from watching the review. They looked deliberate

The 2nd drive of the game Treon throws a deep ball to Thompson, epitome of PI on the defense he did nothing to look for the ball and just basically tackled him bringing him down and away from the ball... all about 2 yards away from the official right in front of his face standing at the pylon


How about the first down they gave Vandy when they were a yard short and never even measured it... then about a drive later Kelvin is flying in the air about a yard over the marker and they mark it 3rd and 1. Absolutely pathetic and im sick of seeing it keep happening one sided, our staff has to see it... and they need to do something about it.

The stuff like the bad spot...........that can be challenged by by Mac especially with a back pocket full of timeouts and getting in the officials ears. The replay booth is supposed to signal down on plays that are very close like that but many times they do not. Calling a timeout isn't a bad thing anyway (if forced to) to get in a good 4th and 1 play. That is one area Mac needs improvement in game day decisions. Otherwise I have little to complain about. He needs some lessons from Billy Donovan.

 

[instaGATOR]

Total CRAP from the SEC Officials yet again. This is the main reason (IMOHO) that Spurrier always tried to put up 50 pts in a game, so that he could take the crappy SEC officials outta the outcome. (here's to hoping that Mc-E learns to do the same, RUTS!) Jus-Damn!

Apparently other Gator fan's are waking up to the biased crap that I've been pointing out for many decades now. When will this kind of Gator-Hater crap by the SEC officials ever end? The officials were booed soundly by the entire stadium as they left the field at The SWAMP shortly after the game ended. (and this is not the 1st time that they've had to be quickly 'escorted' to the airport)

It seems to me (iG) that the SEC's excuse for game officials are spitting in our collective faces and telling us all that the replay system means 'squat' to them. That they can continue to be just as corrupt or incompetent as they choose to be, and there ain't nuttin' that any of us can do about it,,,,,,, and so far they have been 100% correct.

PS

Webb's running game: A 74 yard TD run, and then 2.1 ypc for his other 21 carries.
He did have one great ref-assisted run, but he DID NOT have a great day running the ball.

 

[46885]

 

[NavigatorII]

Nice find. The "ole right foot spot". Either he's retarded or has an ax to grind.

 

[46885]

It was one of the many awful deliberate calls I saw on the replay from last night. I took that picture and just laughed when I slowed it down. I can name many others that were just as bad and worse. I didn't know we were playing Bama already