A SHAMEFUL Happening on Florida Field...

[sadgator]

Those refs and replay officials should be suspended for throwing/upholding that targeting flag on Sherit on that last series. In 27 years of watching Gator football, sadgator had never seen such a total and blatant snow job by officials, including the Swindle.

The League office needs to be on the phone apologizing to Mac and Foley and reinstating Sherit at first light tomorrow. Poor kid was absolutely heartbroken walking off the field after making the most spectacular play of the game.

Somebody needs to do something about this!!!! College football is being destroyed. Those scoundrels should not be able to sleep tonight.

 

[keyzer soze]

I have to agree. They overturned the early TD in spite of no clear view of the ball. Was called TD on the field. Should have stood as called.
I was willing to overlook that but then I started to notice the spots. Seemed like the side judge on the home side had money on the game. Between his spots and some of the flags he threw it was a clearly fishy

 

[LizardGrad89]

Don't know what to tell you. That's the rule. My arguement is that the QB ducked, but I don't even think that matters any more.

He needs to not lead with his head.

 

[oozie7]

Agreed. Can't throw hard blocks without being called for targeting, can't sack the QB without being called for targeting, can't hit a receiver square in the chest without targeting...it's just insane. The worst part is that after they review the play, even if they overturn the targeting they still award the offense the 15 yards. How the hell does that make any sense? If you overturn the targeting call you're confirming that no targeting happened, so why do they still get the 15 yards and the 1st down? It's the most ridiculous rule in sports, I'm sick of the bullshit.

 

[keyzer soze]

Don't know what to tell you. That's the rule. My arguement is that the QB ducked, but I don't even think that matters any more.

He needs to not lead with his head.

You ever play football? Hard to tackle feet first. You CANNOT bend at the waist and keep your head out of a tackle.
Targeting should never be called on a hit on a ball carrier under any circumstance. You don't want to get hit don't carry the ball. And BTW a ball carrier running forward is LEADING WITH HIS HEAD.

 

[sadgator]

An awesome sack with no intent to injure is now "targeting."

Did you see some of the hitting in the Bama/LSU game?!?!?!? Somebody has to explain to sadgator how those hits were not targeting, but Sherit's sack was. sadgator is still pissed...hours later.

 

[keyzer soze]

And FWIW the rule is:
Cannot hit with the CROWN of the helmet. (Not facemask)
Cannot make FORCIBLE CONTACT with the head or neck of a DEFENSELESS player.
Sherit or Cronkrite didn't do either of those things

 

[oozie7]

It's just a ridiculous rule because it doesn't apply both ways. If they really want to enforce a targeting rule then how is it not targeting when a ball carrier lowers his pads and leads with his helmet when trying to run over a defender? Sorta like how it's an automatic 15 if a defender touches the facemask of an offensive player yet the same offensive player can stiff arm a defender putting his hand on the defender's facemask and it's a legal play. Doesn't make any sense.

Sherit's sack was a perfect form tackle, that's how they teach it. Head up, wrap around the waist, drive through him from the ground up. He can't help it if the QB ducks his head and even with the QB ducking his head Sherit still never made contact with his helmet. He hit him square in the chest. Every hard hit gets flagged for targeting now.

 

[keyzer soze]

It's just a ridiculous rule because it doesn't apply both ways. If they really want to enforce a targeting rule then how is it not targeting when a ball carrier lowers his pads and leads with his helmet when trying to run over a defender? Sorta like how it's an automatic 15 if a defender touches the facemask of an offensive player yet the same offensive player can stiff arm a defender putting his hand on the defender's facemask and it's a legal play. Doesn't make any sense.

Sherit's sack was a perfect form tackle, that's how they teach it. Head up, wrap around the waist, drive through him from the ground up. He can't help it if the QB ducks his head and even with the QB ducking his head Sherit still never made contact with his helmet. He hit him square in the chest. Every hard hit gets flagged for targeting now.

I'll say it again, targeting should never be called on a tackle. If a guy had the ball and is making a football play (not defenseless), then it's not fair to call targeting. Anybody who's ever played a down of defense knows that your hitting whichever part comes first. When an SEC caliber athlete had the ball you better hit and hang on however you can.

 

[oozie7]

I'll say it again, targeting should never be called on a tackle. If a guy had the ball and is making a football play (not defenseless), then it's not fair to call targeting. Anybody who's ever played a down of defense knows that your hitting whichever part comes first. When an SEC caliber athlete had the ball you better hit and hang on however you can.

That too. It's stupid that they think players would actually be aiming at the heads of offensive players. I don't think they understand how painful that is not only for the offensive player but for the defender. It's an automatic concussion. When a guy is coming at you full speed you just get em to the ground however you can.

 

[GatorNation79]

Agreed. Can't throw hard blocks without being called for targeting, can't sack the QB without being called for targeting, can't hit a receiver square in the chest without targeting...it's just insane. The worst part is that after they review the play, even if they overturn the targeting they still award the offense the 15 yards. How the hell does that make any sense? If you overturn the targeting call you're confirming that no targeting happened, so why do they still get the 15 yards and the 1st down? It's the most ridiculous rule in sports, I'm sick of the bullshit.

Totally agree...neither one of those calls that kicked out the players were even helmet to helmet. These refs are terrible.

 

[GatorNation79]

I hate these rules that are so subjective...that's why I was glad that they just did away with the 5 yard face making penalty...if it's face masking then it's a personal foul-15 years that's it. The NCAA needs to get rid of these judgement calls...the whole "defenseless" receiver/targeting call is a bunch of S&%T. I hate those rules. This is big boy football...a guy coming across the middle is suppose to get his head taken off...that's why it's called "coming over the middle" if you do it and hang on to the ball then you deserve the yards because you earned them.

 

[46885]

No, those officials need to apologize for everything they pulled today including the crack back block on our safety to score their only TD along with every other laughable review mess ups, spots and every other bama hired shit they pulled. You witnessed another fixed game against the Gators again and these things now have no bounds nor are they even questioned. We get screwed more than anyone on any and every call and it's never even questioned or brought to light. It's despicable and pathetic. The last drive of the game was the shining light for sure of what they were really doing. What an absolute travesty these officials are and how they call games against us. When you understand gambling and the in depth things for real about the game, and you constantly see one team get jew'd like this team does. You really can't do anything but laugh

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

Who makes these rules? NCAA or the college presidents?

 

[sadgator]

Who makes these rules? NCAA or the college presidents?

Gotta be the NCAA. sadgator would love to sit in a room with the head of rules enforcement and hear him/her explain why the Sherit tackle is something that should be prohibited. Mac needs to tweet that tackle out on a continuous loop with the hashtag #secshouldbeashamed.

 

[PacoGator19]

Sherit's tackle/sack was a textbook play on how to tackle. Nothing wrong with what he did.

Put it this way if the QB doesn't duck his head does Sherit get called for targeting? No he doesn't. So the action of an opposing player caused Sherit to get ejected from the game and a 15 yard penalty. Bad bad call.

The officiating in college football is just getting worse and worse every year. Something needs to be done about it. These officials are even getting instant replay and still aren't getting it right. The useless NCAA needs to do something about it.

 

[passoverGator]

In the Bama/LSU game last night, a Bama special teams player tackled the punt returner before he even had the ball and no flag thrown for not giving the return man a yard of space, yet we've been penalized TWICE for same thing and they were both less egregious than the Bama one.

 

[METSWIN]

Horrible call.

 

[GatorTheo]

I have to agree. They overturned the early TD in spite of no clear view of the ball. Was called TD on the field. Should have stood as called.
I was willing to overlook that but then I started to notice the spots. Seemed like the side judge on the home side had money on the game. Between his spots and some of the flags he threw it was a clearly fishy

And they reviewed that for a LONG time. They're supposed to only overturn with clear evidence. If it was so clear, why did it take so long? A couple of the spots were in front of us. One was off by like 2 yards.

 

[Nolez29]

It's absoloute BS what football is becoming & bigger BS that the refs & replay crew are seeing the same replay we are & can't get it right.

 

[Rushie]

In the Bama/LSU game last night, a Bama special teams player tackled the punt returner before he even had the ball and no flag thrown for not giving the return man a yard of space, yet we've been penalized TWICE for same thing and they were both less egregious than the Bama one.

Yep. Could tell during live play the gunner made contact before the ball got there. Slow motion replay confirmed it....you could see the hand grabbing the waist/midsection right before the LSU player caught the ball.

 

[Rushie]

What added insult to injury as far as Sherit's play was replay officials in the Auburn-aTm AND the Minnesota-OSU games overturning targeting calls that were largely indistinguishable in nature. Of the 3 I thought the aTm receiver's on an Auburn defender was the worst....crackback type block....defender was eyeing ball carrier and never saw it coming. In the OSU game the flag was thrown on an OSU pick 6 and the officials on the field were discussing the call for quite some time before they announced it. Was thinking to myself, they were probably debating whether or not to pick up the flag and incur the wrath of the home crowd. Who knows, maybe the buzzed upstairs and the replay officials told them, "Don't worry, we got your back...go ahead and announce the penalty."

 

[GatorGray]

In the fsu-Clemson game, they threw a flag on the Clemson defensive guy for tackling Cook in the filed of play. On that long TD run at the beginning of the game, the defensive guy chased Cook down, grabbed him around the waist at about the two-yard line and the momentum carried them both into the endzone. Ref threw a flag for "unnecessay roiughness after the play was over" and Clem was penalized 15 yards on the ensuing kickoff.

 

[METSWIN]

I thought it was a horse collar flag on Cook? I had a room full of people and was a little distracted but seeing the play live that is what I thought the call was?

 

[Rushie]

Just watched replay on ESPN.....clear horse collar.

 

[GatorGray]

HERE is the play. No horse collar (hand was on shoulder). Ref actually says "after the play was over, personal foul, defense...". Fortunately, it didn't have an affect on the game, but just another example of horrid officiating.

 

[MJWilliamson]

The worst part is that after they review the play, even if they overturn the targeting they still award the offense the 15 yards. How the hell does that make any sense? I

That has been changed. No targeting, no penalty

 

[domgator]

The targeting call this week and last were ridiculous. Then to review that and throw the kid out of the game made a bad call even worse. Then there were all the baffling spots of the football. What was going on with that? Also on the put return where AC almost ran it back ref threw a flag during the return and once AC was tackled ref picked up the flag. How much you want to bet if he scored that flag would have stayed on the field. We stunk yesterday but the officiating stunk just as bad.

 

[Rushie]

HERE is the play. No horse collar (hand was on shoulder). Ref actually says "after the play was over, personal foul, defense...". Fortunately, it didn't have an affect on the game, but just another example of horrid officiating.

Disagree. Defender's right hand grabs Cook at top of back between shoulders, left hand wraps around, defender pulls him down backward.

Had that happened to Taylor or Scarlett, I would expect that penalty to be called.

 

[METSWIN]

Isn't a horse collar a personal foul?

 

[oozie7]

That has been changed. No targeting, no penalty

You sure? I'm too lazy to go look but I'm certain in the A&M game they called a targeting, overturned it, and still awarded the 1st down. And this play happened on 3rd down I believe, so if there was no targeting it should have been 4th down.

 

[MJWilliamson]

You sure? I'm too lazy to go look but I'm certain in the A&M game they called a targeting, overturned it, and still awarded the 1st down. And this play happened on 3rd down I believe, so if there was no targeting it should have been 4th down.

I think I read where the rule was changed this year?

 

[oozie7]

I think I read where the rule was changed this year?

Idk, too lazy to go look lol.

Anybody else watched that A&M game and saw that? I remember shaking my head at it. I had thought they changed the rule too but I'm positive they still rewarded the 1st down.

 

[GatorGray]

Horse Collar is not "after the play". The Ref that threw the flag was in the back of the endzone and was looking a Cook head on and would not have been able to see a HC.

Here is the pic. Hand/arm are so far over the shoulder pad that you can't even see the defender's glove.

 

[GatorGray]

Idk, too lazy to go look lol.

Anybody else watched that A&M game and saw that? I remember shaking my head at it. I had thought they changed the rule too but I'm positive they still rewarded the 1st down.

Yes it was changed. If no targeting on review, no penalty & no ejection.

 

[DLinOrlando]

I don't know about the targeting call, but I was yelling at the tv on the two "reviewed" plays - the TD they reversed and the fumble by CeCe that wasn't. There was NO indisputable evidence that the catch in the end zone was on the ground and with the fumble, he was flat on his back when the ball came out. Ridiculous calls! If those were called like they should have been, we would have scored at least 10 more points. Without the ref's blocking help, they would not have a TD. Should have been a 19-0 final. Oh well, on to Atlanta!

 

[oozie7]

Yes it was changed. If no targeting on review, no penalty & no ejection.

Gotcha. So what the hell happened in the A&M game then??? I'm positive they awarded a first down even after they overturned it. The player stayed on the field and there was no penalty but the offense still had a 1st down.

 

[GatorGray]

Gotcha. So what the hell happened in the A&M game then??? I'm positive they awarded a first down even after they overturned it. The player stayed on the field and there was no penalty but the offense still had a 1st down.

I can't comment as I didn't see the play, but given the outright horrid officiating this year, I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed up. In fact, if you start from premise that the Refs screwed up on most questions, you'd be right more than wrong.

 

[oozie7]

True!

 

[LizardGrad89]

The targeting rule is what it is. It's the rule. Maybe they will modify it, I hope so, because it seems extreme, but it's in place because of the number of neck injuries and concussions in the game. Anyway, if correct form as coached ends in a targeting penalty, then a new form needs to be coached.

As for the Vandy refs, it was a typical Vandy ref job. Clear favoritism to Vandy. On spots alone we got screwed. I saw their QB get a full extra half yard on a third down run that gave them the first down, and I saw Kelvin Taylor dive and land ball first where the ball hit the yellow line exactly and they marked him back a half yard. And I swear that ref deliberately threw a block.

Not that it's anything new. I remember Percy Harvin having the ball swatted away while he had extended it a full yard into the end zone and it be called a fumble recovered by Vandy. It's been going on for decades. But it's never helped them win a single game against us.

Oh, one other thing. in the LSU-Bama game, I saw a Bama player on punt coverage start tackling the punt returner before the ball ever got there. I remember the multiple 15 yard penalties we have gotten for hitting too soon AFTER the ball got there. But, no call, no mention by the announcers. It's good to see that the Bama double standard is still alive and well in the SEC.