This is correct and my point as well. I did not make any comparison of ACC to SEC nor do I really have any idea what UF's SOS was at the time either. I remember that back then, if a team "won " the state, they were likely the best in the country
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This is correct and my point as well. I did not make any comparison of ACC to SEC nor do I really have any idea what UF's SOS was at the time either. I remember that back then, if a team "won " the state, they were likely the best in the country
I think the rest of the country hadn't really caught on to how loaded Florida high school ball was at that point. The perception was Texas and California and everyone else. And recruiting was much more regional. Nebraska was one of the first teams I remember really recruiting nationally. UF, FSU and Miami just split up all that talent and stampeded everybody.
That was my whole point and I believe that was what @Dannygator1989 was implying. You did make some statement about the SEC East as it was a slouch then like it is now. Besides the occasional NC State having NFL talent such as Rivers and Holt...Mack Brown having some talent early at UNC their wasn't too many times the ACC had much competition(I do remember UNC having Curry and Peppers). If memory serves me right UVA was usually a ranked program but they didn't have nowhere near the talent FSU had. Sure FSU had to prepare to basically not get upset and overlook an opponent but the talent level was off the charts vs the ACC. As @GatorGray FSU prepared early for Miami and then prepared for UF.
I also remember Tech having some descent teams under O'Leary with that huge fat dude as his OC.
Early during SOS years Baby Bowden had some good teams we had to play annually. Later Tubberville. UT had some loaded teams back then. When all of that was over with the week after playing FSU we usually had to face a tough Alabama team led by a national championship winning coach Gene Stallings or an Auburn team in the SECCG.
Miami never ranked worse than 13th in the 90's? WTF are you on? They were sucking hard during mid to late 90's and were on probation with limited schollies getting blown out at home, on the road, neutral, everywhere. Butch almost got fired before eventually getting the program to turn the corner at the very end of the 90's.
You are incorrect. Reread my posts and you'll see I never referred to stats of FSU vs ACC, only the entire schedule. You were the one that insisted on the 5 losses in ACC answer, Also I did not disparage the SEC at all.
My mistake and apologies. Miami was ranked no lower than 20th. at years end all yrs. of the 90's. Except 1997. The data I looked at initially gave rank at date of game--- hence the 13th rank number instead of 20th. I glitched on '97. Except for '97, your definition of sucking hard, getting blown out everywhere must differ from mine.
Not to mention you say weaker UT matchup yet they would have probably won a 90's decade long series vs UM if it had occurred. Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, Tee Martin and their bevy of NFL running backs made them pretty good for you to act like they were weak like they are now. UT and UM had the same # of Natties during the 90's at one a piece, while UT was good during the entire 90's while UM kinda sucked relatively for a third of the decade.
You are right. You quoted my reply to the Kai Nole dude and I went with it as it was the same dude.
And then reality sets in....
90's scUM power
1995 8-3
L 7-5 UCLA 31 - 8 scUM ==== Blow-out
L 10-2 VaT 13 - 7 scUM
L 10-2 FSUcks 41 - 17 scUM ==== Blow-out
1996 9-3
L 11-1 FSUcks 34 - 16 scUM
L 8-3 ECa 31 - 6 scUM ==== Blow-out by East Carolina
L 10-2 VaT 21 - 7 scUM
1997 scUM 5-6 <<<=====<<< Loser Season
L 9-3 AzSt 23 - 12 scUM
L 6-6 Pitt 21 - 17 scUM ==== Plum-Pitiful
L 7-5 WVa 28 - 17 scUM
L 7-5 VaT 27 - 25 scUM
L 9-4 Syr 33 - 13 scUM ==== Blow-out
1998 scUM 9-3
L 9-3 VaT 27 - 20 scUM
L 11-2 FSUcks 26 - 14 scUM
L 8-4 Syr 66 - 13 scUM ==== Blow-out
1999 scUM 9-4
L 10-3 PSU 27 - 23 scUM
L 9-3 ECa 27 - 23 scUM
L 12-0 FSUcks 31 - 21 scUM
L 11-1 VaT 43 - 10 scUM ==== Blow-out
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And then reality sets in....
90's scUM power
1995 8-3
L 7-5 UCLA 31 - 8 scUM ==== Blow-out
L 10-2 VaT 13 - 7 scUM
L 10-2 FSUcks 41 - 17 scUM ==== Blow-out
1996 9-3
L 11-1 FSUcks 34 - 16 scUM
L 8-3 ECa 31 - 6 scUM ==== Blow-out by East Carolina
L 10-2 VaT 21 - 7 scUM
1997 scUM 5-6 <<<=====<<< Loser Season
L 9-3 AzSt 23 - 12 scUM
L 6-6 Pitt 21 - 17 scUM ==== Plum-Pitiful
L 7-5 WVa 28 - 17 scUM
L 7-5 VaT 27 - 25 scUM
L 9-4 Syr 33 - 13 scUM ==== Blow-out
1998 scUM 9-3
L 9-3 VaT 27 - 20 scUM
L 11-2 FSUcks 26 - 14 scUM
L 8-4 Syr 66 - 13 scUM ==== Blow-out
1999 scUM 9-4
L 10-3 PSU 27 - 23 scUM
L 9-3 ECa 27 - 23 scUM
L 12-0 FSUcks 31 - 21 scUM
L 11-1 VaT 43 - 10 scUM ==== Blow-out
It's not surprising that someone like you would leave out Miami's 90-94 seasons that went 52 -8 ie. 10-2, 12-0, 11-1, 9-3, and 10-2. , when we are discussing the 90's. They avg. 9 wins/sea. in the 90's I seriously dislike the Caines but you still give credit when earned. There only only about a dozen teams that have avg. 9 wins/season the last 15 yrs.
Look at who the big boys play OOC and we already have our one tough game every year. To schedule more is almost a sure way to miss out on the playoff.
Someone like me, will run the facts up someone's like youse nose, nearly every time...
scUM's monster schedule Opponents (I counted D2's as losing records)
1990
scUM - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 4 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 3 opponents with 8+ iwns, 7 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
1991
scUM - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 5 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
1992
scUM - 3 opponents with 8+ wins, 7 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 5 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
1993
scUM - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 6 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
1994
scUM - 3 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records. - 3 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 7 opponents with 8+ W's, 4 with losing records - 2 les than 4 W's)
(UoF - 5 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
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1995 scUM - 8-3
D2 FL A&M
1-10 Temple
2-9 Pitt
4-8 BC
4-7 Rut
5-6 WVa
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7-4 Baylor
L - 7-5 UCLA
Only 3 Opponents with 8+ wins, so 6 of their 8 wins vs crap...
Their ONLY quality win was vs 9-3 Syr.
1996 - 9-3
D2 Citadel
1-10 Temple
2-9 Rut
4-7 Memphis
4-7 Pitt
5-7 BC
-----
7-5 Va
Five opponents with 8+ wins, one being ECa, so 7-8 of their win vs crap...
1997 - 5-6 - How the heck do you go 5-6 vs this chit?
0-11 Rut
2-9 Baylor
2-9 ArkSt
3-8 Temple
4-7 BC
6-6 Pitt
-----
7-5 VaT
Only 3 opponents with 8+ wins, and 4 had less than 4 wins...
~ I'll quit there, the SoS eye test is over and the point has been made...
Someone like me, will run the facts up someone's like youse nose, nearly every time...
scUM's monster schedule Opponents (I counted D2's as losing records)
1990
scUM - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 4 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 3 opponents with 8+ iwns, 7 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
1991
scUM - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 5 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
1992
scUM - 3 opponents with 8+ wins, 7 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ wins, 5 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 5 opponents with 8+ wins, 6 with losing records - 1 less than 4 W's)
1993
scUM - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 4 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
(FSU - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records - 3 less than 4 W's)
(UoF - 6 opponents with 8+ W's, 6 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
1994
scUM - 3 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records. - 3 less than 4 W's
(FSU - 7 opponents with 8+ W's, 4 with losing records - 2 les than 4 W's)
(UoF - 5 opponents with 8+ W's, 5 with losing records - 2 less than 4 W's)
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1995 scUM - 8-3
D2 FL A&M
1-10 Temple
2-9 Pitt
4-8 BC
4-7 Rut
5-6 WVa
-----
7-4 Baylor
L - 7-5 UCLA
Only 3 Opponents with 8+ wins, so 6 of their 8 wins vs crap...
Their ONLY quality win was vs 9-3 Syr.
1996 - 9-3
D2 Citadel
1-10 Temple
2-9 Rut
4-7 Memphis
4-7 Pitt
5-7 BC
-----
7-5 Va
Five opponents with 8+ wins, one being ECa, so 7-8 of their win vs crap...
1997 - 5-6 - How the heck do you go 5-6 vs this chit?
0-11 Rut
2-9 Baylor
2-9 ArkSt
3-8 Temple
4-7 BC
6-6 Pitt
-----
7-5 VaT
Only 3 opponents with 8+ wins, and 4 had less than 4 wins...
~ I'll quit there, the SoS eye test is over and the point has been made...
Seems your point is that to be a good team you must win more than 9 games a season and 4 or more must be teams that win 8 or more games. A team does that and they're usually top 20...... just as they were actually voted. But to you they were not good. Ok, your opinion, sure but notwithstanding their opponents there's only a dozen teams that could even match a 9 win avg. over the last 15 yrs while UM did that for the 90's. Sorry, but avg.9 wins/season and top 20 finish 9 of 10 years makes the Caines a good quality team in the 90's.
In the last 10 years, 3 SEC teams have combined for 7 NC's, and twice, 2 SEC teams have played each other for it, (2011-2017).
From 2006-12, the SEC set the NCAA Record for Consecutive NC's (7) by a conference.
You are welcome to your own opinions of course, i.e. delusions, but just please stop attempting to sell your clueless 'good team' BS here....
My point is,,, put the criminoles and the scUM thugs in the SEC, playing a full 8-9 game schedule against SEC defenses, and then we'll see what their W/L per year looks like, and what their season injury list looks like. Until then, enjoy your usual Almost Competitive Conf. routine, but careful, because UCF and USF are gaining on you fast...
Stop..... Dont bring back the dark days.... By scheduling USF u have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Speaking from experience, if u win "u were suppose to win" and even if they are good u dont get the credit, if u lose, all u do is validate them and help them. Would not want
Jus-DAMN!
That sounds an awful lot like what UF went through when we got forced to play that chitty little girls school out west....
In the last 10 years, 3 SEC teams have combined for 7 NC's, and twice, 2 SEC teams have played each other for it, (2011-2017).
From 2006-12, the SEC set the NCAA Record for Consecutive NC's (7) by a conference.
You are welcome to your own opinions of course, i.e. delusions, but just please stop attempting to sell your clueless 'good team' BS here....
My point is,,, put the criminoles and the scUM thugs in the SEC, playing a full 8-9 game schedule against SEC defenses, and then we'll see what their W/L per year looks like, and what their season injury list looks like. Until then, enjoy your usual Almost Competitive Conf. routine, but careful, because UCF and USF are gaining on you fast...
So you completely lost your original contention so changed it to a different decade, make it about conferences, and ride some SEC coattail...... should have just started a completely new thread since nobody but you brought up any of that. Bipolar much there sport?
Azznolelick, you're so boring that it's back on ignore for you.
I'll let others here slap you around for a while, while I do other more important things, like take a nap.
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I'll let others here slap you around for a while, while I do other more important things, like take a nap.
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Jus-DAMN!
That sounds an awful lot like what UF went through when we got forced to play that chitty little girls school out west....
LOL and look how that turned out. Dont create another FSU....plz
I think that it's turned out exactly like most Gator fans thought that it would.
"By scheduling FSUcks u have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Speaking from experience, if u win "u were suppose to win" and even if they are good u dont get the credit, if u lose, all u do is validate them and help them. Would not want
If the UF Admin ever grows a sack, they would force FSU to the 1st game of the season, or drop them from the schedule. Letting them dick-tate a last game of the season is just plain stupid on UF's part. They skate through the Cupcakes to our game, while UF struggles through the SEC defenses to finish with that game with the walking-wounded.
"By scheduling FSUcks u have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Speaking from experience, if u win "u were suppose to win" and even if they are good u dont get the credit, if u lose, all u do is validate them and help them. Would not want
If the UF Admin ever grows a sack, they would force FSU to the 1st game of the season, or drop them from the schedule. Letting them dick-tate a last game of the season is just plain stupid on UF's part. They skate through the Cupcakes to our game, while UF struggles through the SEC defenses to finish with that game with the walking-wounded.
Fisher actually tried moving the game every yr. The gates said no. Fisher thought it was a better idea. I do as well
My choice, if I had one, would be the 2nd game of the season. That still gives both teams a slot for a 'warm-up' game, and it gives either team a full season to recover in the rankings if they lose.
IF it's a UF decision to keep that game at the end of the regular, then the one making that decision needs to be taken out and horse-whipped.
JMOHO of course...
IF it's a UF decision to keep that game at the end of the regular, then the one making that decision needs to be taken out and horse-whipped.
JMOHO of course...
My choice, if I had one, would be the 2nd game of the season. That still gives both teams a slot for a 'warm-up' game, and it gives either team a full season to recover in the rankings if they lose.
IF it's a UF decision to keep that game at the end of the regular, then the one making that decision needs to be taken out and horse-whipped.
JMOHO of course...
I agree. I would rather see this early. 1st-3rd game
Back in the old days when the Dollywood team was good, that was the set up.
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