Florida Gators’ third-down defense continues to trend in the wrong direction
Billy Napier might need some time to fix the Florida defense.
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It’s making sadgator turn to 151…
While he also has a less than 50% 3rd Dn conversion rate on offense, maybe 3rd and Nappy is bi-lingual when making the play calls....Florida Gators’ third-down defense continues to trend in the wrong direction
Billy Napier might need some time to fix the Florida defense.
Where some fans attempt to 'hang the blame' is incredibly humorous to me.... 😉
But you can only ride that HC blame pony (Musclecramp, McLame, Dan/Grantham) for a decade.
2014 7-5 - Musclecramp fired.
2015 1st Year McLame went 10-4
2017 4-7 - McLame fired.
2018 1st Year Dan went 10-3
2021 6-7 - Dan fired and the scamdemic is over...
Nappy goes??? (4-3 at mid-season, 1-3 SEC, with the tougher half coming)
Ole Nappy is on his own with a roster of quality rated players that he's been coaching for almost a year already, and is in the 2nd half of the season now.
We're, also, tied with Vanderbilt for 121st in 1st downs surrendered, having given up 168 first downs in 7 games, but we're balanced - giving up 80 via the run, 83 via the pass and 5 via penalty. We're 106th in total defense, 91st in passing efficiency defense and 77th in scoring defense. As of last week our strength of schedule was 35th, 9th in the SEC, so it's not like it's been a super killer schedule to justify the poor numbers.
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So, '3rd and Grantham' on defense has gone to.....
'3rd and Nappy' on both offense and defense....
The 'New & Improved' label is getting a bit more tarnished by the week.... 🙄
'3rd and Nappy' on both offense and defense....
The 'New & Improved' label is getting a bit more tarnished by the week.... 🙄
This is why you don’t bring your G5 staff with you to the SEC
we are actually worse than with Grantham🤣
we are actually worse than with Grantham🤣
Saban added a few young stars to a roster rated about like ours and went from like 6-6 to 12-0 pre-SECCG in 08 I think.
How much do you blame on the coaching staff and how much do you blame on the kids that played under Grantham's scheme?
Saban at Bama in '07 lost to Louisiana-Monroe, among others, and fans wanted him fired. Saban at Bama in '08 was undefeated #1 ranked team until losing to UF in Atlanta.
want to place a wager now we are not near Atlanta next year
Not sure what to think of this crap but our DBs are lost playing zone letting WRs get wide open all the time. It's so bad I think we would be better playing man more often. It kind of points to coaching some this far into the season.
Which G5 coaches are you talking about? You make it sound as if there is a bunch of coaches he brought with him they are struggling. I know of 1.
Three is too many. And NONE should be a coordinator year one. That is not a good move to go from SunBelt to SEC DC. And the numbers strongly agree with that assertion. One of Mullen’s issues was keeping Grantham, now Grantham looks smart. No need to get to down on Billy but he should get pressure for that issue and to make an adjustment
I’m not too impressed with Toney at the moment but do you think you can just wash the stench off of a 4 year stretch with Grantham just like that?? Easier said than done.
no, but do you think if say, Knowles was here we would have regressed like this?
i am not saying we should be elite, but we should at least be going in the other direcrion, and we are not.
and with the offense we use, D is going to have to be much better
Hindsight is always 20/20. Fact of the matter is he only brought 3 coaches. Not 7-8 like Frost was allowed to do. I get it. Your moving the goal posts because your previous post was very inaccurate.
I mean do you think Corey Raymond just forgot how to coach all of a sudden? Our CBs could quite possibly be the worst position group on the defense. Or Sean Spencer all of a sudden can’t coach a dlineman?
I mean do you think Corey Raymond just forgot how to coach all of a sudden? Our CBs could quite possibly be the worst position group on the defense. Or Sean Spencer all of a sudden can’t coach a dlineman?
well, in some ways more since he is OC and QBC, which is not working either. So we are technically using 5. But As per usual you are going to ride or die with the current guy and all decisions.
the bottom line is Toney is a trainwreck making Grantham look smart. Its not a secret and even those who attend the Church of Billy are admitting Toney isn’t working. And sans a ton of portal moves, the talent isn’t going to increase significantly next year. So who the DC is will be critical
Huh? Per usual ride or die? What is that supposed to mean? Where is that coming from? Where have I said anything of the sort. Sorry take a break for a bit for no basis for that comment
Those other coaches were left with a better roster...we have no depth and that takes more than 1 transition class to correct. Mullen recruiting was awful especially the last 2 classes. To say otherwise is just plain silly.
Most experts had us at 6-6 this year....I think the over/under on wins was 6.5. Let's see how the season plays out.
I put 90% of the blame where it rightly belongs imo, on WOKE SOCIALIST-U....
(getting what they've earned and deserve imoho)
Maybe they should just go ahead and drop the Orange from their color scheme....
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I just received a ban warning for speaking my mind truthfully, so I'm now going to comply with how things really are:
Everything is rosey at marvelous UF with all of the UAA & AD's decisions.
HC Billy Napier is an excellent coach and he has hired an excellent staff to support all of the excellent players that he's recruited or transferred in.
I wouldn't change a single thing with the school, UAA, or the program.
Have a nice day yawl..... 😉
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That's the thing.
Some people were giving Mullen literal years to fix the 3rd down issue, even while maintaining Grantham......but won't give Napier 7 games to fix the whole issue(which includes attitudes and culture).
Let's not forget whose players are also on the field, by and large.
Yep, all Napier's fault.(sarcasm) Smh.
Then you have the "fans" that would love for the opportunity to be right MORE than the success of team they root for.
I've been critical of Napier for some game decisions, but blaming him for not fixing the 3rd downs this early borders on the unrealistic.
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1st Reason -- There was poor recruiting by Dan/Staff, so no quality was left on the roster. Just the published facts, for anyone to comment on.
Gator 2022 Defense Player Talent Level:
(With many other not-listed 4-stars in the playing rotation....)
#2 CB Jason Marshall Jr *****
#7 CB Jalen Kimber ****
#24 CB Avery Helm ****
#32 CB Jaydon Hill **** (3 Gms, return from injury)
#3 S Kamari Wilson ****
#17 S Trey Dean III ****
#33 S Rashad Torrence II ****
#42 S Tre'Vez Johnson ***
#5 ILB Derek Wingo ****
#5 ILB Shemar James ****
#9 ILB Diwun Black ****
#14 S/ILB Amari Burney ****
#36 ILB Ventrell Miller ***
#2 DE Brenton Cox Jr *****
#9 DE Princely Umanmielen ****
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#15 DL Tyreak Sapp ****
#43 DL Justus Boone ****
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#3 DT Gervon Dexter Sr *****
#16 DT Chris McClellan ****
There are 3 that are 5-stars, with Top 10's in every position group.
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2nd Reason -- Napier/Staff just got here yesterday, brand new so they will get better if given enough time... 🙄
"The Gators complete the first phase of their off-season program Thursday, and Florida coach Billy Napier will meet with the media Friday to discuss the start of phase two. Napier has an 8-phase year-round football plan that he calls ‘The Journey.’ The first phase, Foundation, began on Jan. 18 (9 months ago and counting) and the second phase, Identity, will take place in UF’s indoor practice facility over the next four weeks."
3rd Excuse -- Yawl can have at it.....
Gator 2022 Defense Player Talent Level:
(With many other not-listed 4-stars in the playing rotation....)
#2 CB Jason Marshall Jr *****
#7 CB Jalen Kimber ****
#24 CB Avery Helm ****
#32 CB Jaydon Hill **** (3 Gms, return from injury)
#3 S Kamari Wilson ****
#17 S Trey Dean III ****
#33 S Rashad Torrence II ****
#42 S Tre'Vez Johnson ***
#5 ILB Derek Wingo ****
#5 ILB Shemar James ****
#9 ILB Diwun Black ****
#14 S/ILB Amari Burney ****
#36 ILB Ventrell Miller ***
#2 DE Brenton Cox Jr *****
#9 DE Princely Umanmielen ****
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#15 DL Tyreak Sapp ****
#43 DL Justus Boone ****
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#3 DT Gervon Dexter Sr *****
#16 DT Chris McClellan ****
There are 3 that are 5-stars, with Top 10's in every position group.
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2nd Reason -- Napier/Staff just got here yesterday, brand new so they will get better if given enough time... 🙄
"The Gators complete the first phase of their off-season program Thursday, and Florida coach Billy Napier will meet with the media Friday to discuss the start of phase two. Napier has an 8-phase year-round football plan that he calls ‘The Journey.’ The first phase, Foundation, began on Jan. 18 (9 months ago and counting) and the second phase, Identity, will take place in UF’s indoor practice facility over the next four weeks."
3rd Excuse -- Yawl can have at it.....
Some players never pan out like you think but the better recruiting coaches are better at finding gems that might not be a top 150 ranked player. It was crazy how many highly ranked WRs did nothing under Muschamp and I don't think it was all on our offense. We will find out how good Napier is at it soon.
iMO Napier is the 180 of Muschamp. Muschamp was a meathead who thought size was everything. I remember when Shazier decomitted when he was hire and he pretty much said he was too small anyway. And who was that RB he had ro have and ignored all the top backs because he thought this guy was the man because of his size? Muschamp also wanted to run and play defense and got one OL a year, and yes, his WR were all size, little speed.
Napier, IMO, is about detail and analysis. Will he miss on guys, sure, everyone does. But I expect to maintain a balanced roster and not have 16 DBs and 6 OL on the roster. I also think Napier and his attention to detail are more likely to hit on players who outplay their ranking. If Napier fails it will not be due to lack of effort or information.
That is not to say Muschamp couldn’t coach defense or That Napier necessarily pans out, but they are completely different in approach to recruiting.
Muschamp was an excellent defensive coach, but not a good head coach, IMO. Napier has proven to be an excellent non-P5 coach and was an assistant under Saban, Sweeney and others. There's no doubt he has a "system and process" that he believes in and only time will tell if he's right. The guy definitely has amped up recruiting in Gainesville and seems like a no nonsense straight shooter. Just hope he's the right fit for THE University of Florida. We'll know in the next couple of years.
If you asked sadgator to define Napier’s style as a head coach, sadgator would be unable to do so…
7 games in to year 1, that is a bit disconcerting…
7 games in to year 1, that is a bit disconcerting…
if you watched his ULL offenses its pretty similar. Good run heavy offense with good OL play and a very simplistic passing game.
i think his run game and use of the QB in the run game are actually pretty good. IMO instead of an OL coach as his “co-OC” he needs to get help with a more sophisticated passing game.
High school rankings don't mean squat once they have a college track record. Only first rounder we may have is Torrence and he was a Napier transfer. Dexter probably the next best chance at a high draft pick. After that Someone may take a chance on Miller and possibly Cox, but those would be late rounds. In the east Uga, UT, SC, KY and yes, even mizzou have more draft prospects than we have. I guess the nfl didn't get the high school star rankings memo. No, we don't have much in the way of top notch talent. We will see how Marshal pans out as he's not draft eligible.
I don't buy KY has more talent than us. They are good at developing front 7 defensive talent though and most years have a good offensive line unlike this year. Levi's praise I don't understand when you actually watch him play. He is always making key mistakes and taking sacks instead of getting rid of the ball.
I would agree. But they currently have more draft prospects than Florida. So does Mizzou. They've beaten us 3 out of last 5 so there's that....my point is Mullen didn't recruit very well and this years Gator team is reflective of that.
Draft picks depend on the year of the player though and compare other recent years. I think we have had more talent than everyone but Georgia in the East but most years we just were an underperforming team (we did use defense to overperform or at least meet expectations in Mullen's first 2 years however). I guess if I had to say who was clearly overperforming their talent at this point its Tennessee as that mess he ran at UCF is working in the SEC now and that roster isn't loaded.
I would agree. But they currently have more draft prospects than Florida. So does Mizzou. They've beaten us 3 out of last 5 so there's that....my point is Mullen didn't recruit very well and this years Gator team is reflective of that.
Last year Kentucky had 4 and we had 3. We tied for 8th in the SEC with. Only vandy and Mizzou had fewer. This year looking like the Cats will have 5 and we will have 2-4. 2021 we had 8 and KY had 6. 2021 were mostly players left over from Buttertooth. Its not the only measure, but it is a good indicator mullen didn't recruit well...and actually buttertooth recruited better.
Our NFL talent did seem to drop off a lot for the first time this past NFL draft which points to Mullen. I was surprised how many NFL guys Mac had in his classes.
Michi,
Agree !
Saban converted to more of a passing offense - after facing SOS & the fun n gun a few times !
LOL
IMO, Bama's QBs are pro-set passers who can escape, buy time in the pocket, & run when they have to.
Bryce, when healthy, is an excellent passer.
Stetson Bennett can't be ignored as a passer either; especially to his TEs !
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Just my opinion, but Mullen is an outstanding coach. Guy was a lousy recruiter. Which you can get away with as long as you surround yourself with awesome recruiters, which he didn't. He won quickly here with someone else's players going 21-5 in his first two years. Then when his recruiting classes started to kick in he was 13-10 his last 2 years. Only bright spots were competitive games against Bama in SEC champ and regular season. Had he stayed our recruiting class was heading for disaster. People forget that the class was ranked around 80ish when Napier took over. He did the best he could to rescue it. Again, just my opinion but had mullen stayed another year we would be sitting at probably 2-5 right now and no where near a top 10 class.
I think Mullen was an excellent Offensive Coordinator, but an average head coach. I say that because being a head coach involves recruiting and staffing decisions.
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