Kugel isn't playing well IMO. He's trying to do much and because of that he's taking bad shots and turning the ball over. I do think Golden should have put him during that cold stretch late in the second half. We couldn't get a good look and Riley has the ability to create his own shots.
Carry over to Gator 2023-24 Basketball :-)
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Is it necessary to give almost half the screen to Lunardi during the game?
Keeping in mind that coaches have to be very careful about what they say concerning the officiating...
Here's just one of the many bad/missed calls in the iG's OHO....
On Mo Wague's suspension after elbowing Alex Condon in the head on Saturday:
“We got a notification from the league yesterday. I think everybody would have liked for it to be handled in real time a little better. Obviously, during the game, the foul was called on Alex and that was tough to swallow." -- Todd Golden
On what upset him most after Condon was elbowed:
“I thought in real time, I was upset they called the foul on Alex. I thought he did a good job of being the first to the floor and getting his hand on the ball. We saw multiple bodies diving in there. When we came out of that scrum with the foul on Alex, I was really confused. That’s why I was upset.”
On playing through the whistle:
"I think we've gotten better that way. I think early on in the year we were a little too emotional about officiating and we allowed it to take us out of our game a little bit. ----- I think we've been better that way in terms of playing through the (often bad/biased - iG) officiating and not allowing it to affect our mentality."
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With bad or biased officiating, you don't have to miss every call, just a few key important ones at the right time to change a games outcome.-- iG
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Here's just one of the many bad/missed calls in the iG's OHO....
On Mo Wague's suspension after elbowing Alex Condon in the head on Saturday:
“We got a notification from the league yesterday. I think everybody would have liked for it to be handled in real time a little better. Obviously, during the game, the foul was called on Alex and that was tough to swallow." -- Todd Golden
On what upset him most after Condon was elbowed:
“I thought in real time, I was upset they called the foul on Alex. I thought he did a good job of being the first to the floor and getting his hand on the ball. We saw multiple bodies diving in there. When we came out of that scrum with the foul on Alex, I was really confused. That’s why I was upset.”
On playing through the whistle:
"I think we've gotten better that way. I think early on in the year we were a little too emotional about officiating and we allowed it to take us out of our game a little bit. ----- I think we've been better that way in terms of playing through the (often bad/biased - iG) officiating and not allowing it to affect our mentality."
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With bad or biased officiating, you don't have to miss every call, just a few key important ones at the right time to change a games outcome.-- iG
Todd Golden talks officiating, Alabama loss, Vanderbilt
The Gators are 18-8 overall and 8-5 in SEC play following a loss at Alabama
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Keeping in mind that coaches have to be very careful about what they say concerning the officiating...
Here's just one of the many bad/missed calls in the iG's OHO....
On Mo Wague's suspension after elbowing Alex Condon in the head on Saturday:
“We got a notification from the league yesterday. I think everybody would have liked for it to be handled in real time a little better. Obviously, during the game, the foul was called on Alex and that was tough to swallow." -- Todd Golden
On what upset him most after Condon was elbowed:
“I thought in real time, I was upset they called the foul on Alex. I thought he did a good job of being the first to the floor and getting his hand on the ball. We saw multiple bodies diving in there. When we came out of that scrum with the foul on Alex, I was really confused. That’s why I was upset.”
On playing through the whistle:
"I think we've gotten better that way. I think early on in the year we were a little too emotional about officiating and we allowed it to take us out of our game a little bit. ----- I think we've been better that way in terms of playing through the (bad/biased - iG) officiating and not allowing it to affect our mentality."
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With bad or biased officiating, you don't have to miss every call, just a few key important ones at the right time to change a games outcome.-- iG
Todd Golden talks officiating, Alabama loss, Vanderbilt
The Gators are 18-8 overall and 8-5 in SEC play following a loss at Alabama
I see you woke up from your Joe Biden style nap as Bradley posted this earlier today.
This is the criteria for a Quad 1 win:
How are the NET rankings used? · Quadrant 1: Home 1-30, Neutral 1-50, Away 1-75
AQnd the classification of Quads 1, 2, 3 and 4 wins moves up and down throughout the season as the opponents ranking change. Right now Miss. State's NET ranking is 36, so not Quad 1 yet.
Yes, and they just pounded LSU on the road and beat Kentucky so they should certainly move up a few spots.
Gators 77 - 64 Commies
Top 3 Gators: "Just the facts Ma'am..." -- Sgt Friday
Minutes:
Clayton 34
Pullin 33
Richard 31
Scoring:
Richard 21
Clayton 19
Samuel 15
Field Goals:
Samuel 7/9
Clayton 7/12
Richard 7/13
Three's:
Richard 5/9
Clayton 3/7
Haugh1/4
Rebounds: Off-Def
Condon 9 - 2-7
Samuel 6 - 3-3
Richard 4 - 1-3
Blocks:
Samuel 2
Haugh 2
Handlogten 1
Steals:
Richard 2
Clayton-Pullin-Condon 1
Assists:
Pullin 6
Richard 3
Clayton-Samuel-Handlogten 2
Turn-Overs:
Richard 3
Condon 2
Kublickas 2
Outliers:
Handlogten 5 PF's
Pullen 2 Pts
Samuel 1/5 FT's
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JMOHO -- The UF / VU game was as poorly called as I'm used to by the SEC officials....
Top 3 Gators: "Just the facts Ma'am..." -- Sgt Friday
Minutes:
Clayton 34
Pullin 33
Richard 31
Scoring:
Richard 21
Clayton 19
Samuel 15
Field Goals:
Samuel 7/9
Clayton 7/12
Richard 7/13
Three's:
Richard 5/9
Clayton 3/7
Haugh1/4
Rebounds: Off-Def
Condon 9 - 2-7
Samuel 6 - 3-3
Richard 4 - 1-3
Blocks:
Samuel 2
Haugh 2
Handlogten 1
Steals:
Richard 2
Clayton-Pullin-Condon 1
Assists:
Pullin 6
Richard 3
Clayton-Samuel-Handlogten 2
Turn-Overs:
Richard 3
Condon 2
Kublickas 2
Outliers:
Handlogten 5 PF's
Pullen 2 Pts
Samuel 1/5 FT's
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JMOHO -- The UF / VU game was as poorly called as I'm used to by the SEC officials....
As long as UF holds serve and doesn't blow any games they should win from now through the SEC tournament they should be no worse than a 6 seed. Hope I didn't jinx them.
Have I told you guys I can’t wait to get bamer in Gainesville?
10-8 sec record most likely an 8/9, 11-7 record I think moves us up to 6/7, but if we can get to 12 wins I'm thinking we could go as high as 5.
Just like every post by an I-wish Dog Poker is poorly done and a total waste of time...
But ya have to comment on each and every single one them, InstaDrool, it’s who you are
No. 24 Florida vs Missouri (Wednesday, 6:30 pm) - Florida Gators
A nuts and bolts look at Wednesday night's SEC home date against the Tigers.
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We cannot get caught looking ahead to South Carolina. We’ve got a great shot at a top four seed in the upcoming SEC tournament. Stay focused gators.No. 24 Florida vs Missouri (Wednesday, 6:30 pm) - Florida Gators
A nuts and bolts look at Wednesday night's SEC home date against the Tigers.
Confirmed by the dog poker, with an assist from the goaterdud3...
Typical from both.
The most consistent performer on the 2023-24 team:
– Zyon Pullin leads the SEC and ranks 3rd in the nation in assist/turnover ratio (4.10), and his 4.95 assists per game rank 2nd in the SEC.
Pullin scored 10+ points in his first 23 games as a Gator, tied for the 3rd-longest double-figure scoring streak by a Gator since 1996-97.
Florida has two of the top three offensive rebounders in the SEC in Micah Handlogten (3.7) and Tyrese Samuel (3.1).
UF’s 39.4% offensive rebounding rate is third-highest in the nation, while Handlogten’s 18.7% offensive rebounding rate ranks 2nd nationally.
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Season Top 3 'so far' in each category:
Minutes Played --- Clayton 839 - Pullin 799 - Richard 786
Bigs FG% --- Handlogten 64.8% - Samuel 56.1% - Haugh 48.1%
Smalls FG % --- Clayton 43.9% - Pullin 42.5% - Richard 40.8%
Three's --- Pullin 39.7% (63) - Clayton 35.1% (185) - Richard 34.4% (157)
Free Throws --- Pullin 85.7% - Clayton 83.7%- Richard 78.1%
Rebounds (Off-Def) --- Samuel 211 (83-128) - Handlogten 185 (93-92) - Condon 177 (58-119)
Blocks --- Condon 34 - Samuel 27 - Handlogten 26
Assists --- Pullin 119 - Clayton 72 - Samuel 47
Steals/Turnovers --- Clayton 30/59 - Samuel 30/47 - Kugel 29/53
P-Fouls --- Bigs - Condon 69 - Handlogten 68 - Samuel 67
P-Fouls --- Smalls - Clayton 56 - Kugel 53 - Richard 43
Kugel = Sever Soph Slump imo.....
– Zyon Pullin leads the SEC and ranks 3rd in the nation in assist/turnover ratio (4.10), and his 4.95 assists per game rank 2nd in the SEC.
Pullin scored 10+ points in his first 23 games as a Gator, tied for the 3rd-longest double-figure scoring streak by a Gator since 1996-97.
Florida has two of the top three offensive rebounders in the SEC in Micah Handlogten (3.7) and Tyrese Samuel (3.1).
UF’s 39.4% offensive rebounding rate is third-highest in the nation, while Handlogten’s 18.7% offensive rebounding rate ranks 2nd nationally.
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Season Top 3 'so far' in each category:
Minutes Played --- Clayton 839 - Pullin 799 - Richard 786
Bigs FG% --- Handlogten 64.8% - Samuel 56.1% - Haugh 48.1%
Smalls FG % --- Clayton 43.9% - Pullin 42.5% - Richard 40.8%
Three's --- Pullin 39.7% (63) - Clayton 35.1% (185) - Richard 34.4% (157)
Free Throws --- Pullin 85.7% - Clayton 83.7%- Richard 78.1%
Rebounds (Off-Def) --- Samuel 211 (83-128) - Handlogten 185 (93-92) - Condon 177 (58-119)
Blocks --- Condon 34 - Samuel 27 - Handlogten 26
Assists --- Pullin 119 - Clayton 72 - Samuel 47
Steals/Turnovers --- Clayton 30/59 - Samuel 30/47 - Kugel 29/53
P-Fouls --- Bigs - Condon 69 - Handlogten 68 - Samuel 67
P-Fouls --- Smalls - Clayton 56 - Kugel 53 - Richard 43
Kugel = Sever Soph Slump imo.....
This is the best roster we’ve had in a while. Both guards are real good and the bigs are best we’ve had since Noah and Horford.
This team has a lot in common with those teams. We just don’t have Corey Brewer type.
This is the huge difference. That team got all up in your jersey on defense. All of them. All the time.
FINAL: No. 24 Florida 83, Missouri 74 - Florida Gators
A quick breakdown of Wednesday night's win over visiting Tigers, the Gators' 20th victory of the season.
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I refuse to join the crowd who always blames the refs every Gator basketball game. That just ain't real. There is no SEC bias against Florida. But Gator fans are passionate and all fans see things through an orange and blue lens, especially in basketball where there are so many subjective calls. We were called for 19 fouls tonight, Missouri for 18. We shot 23 free throws and made only 15. They shot 20 and made 16. The reasons the game was as close as it was are many: 1) This is the SEC. There are no easy games in this conference. 2) Will Richard had a terrible game. 1-9 from the field, 1-8 shooting 3's and only scored 4 points. All year, when he's played well we win, when he doesn't play well, the game is a struggle. 3) Walter Clayton had an off night by his standards, lost his cool and fouled out with 15 minutes left in the game. He only scored 13 points, playing only 22 minutes. He is THE guy in our offense. Losing him down the stretch and still winning by 9 is a real testament to how much this team has improved. 4) Riley Kugel struggled again. Played 20 minutes with only 3 point, no rebounds, no assists. He's the best pure athlete on the team and when he plays well, the team soars. He's become an enigma and we never know what to expect from him, but didn't help much tonight. 5) While Micah Handlogten had a very good game, Haugh and Condon didn't do much. Haugh only played 11 minutes and didn't score; Condon only played 10 minutes with 1 point.
From my viewpoint, we won the game by 9 points and Todd Golden is doing a great job of adjusting the rotations each game depending on which guys are performing the best. We have the depth so that different guys can pick up the load when other guys falter. Not having Clayton for the last 15 minutes of the game and yet Tyrese Samuel stepped up with a monster game, as did Zyon Pullin and Handlogten and they found a way to win by 9. We had a lot of things go against us tonight and still won the game. Rejoice!!!
From my viewpoint, we won the game by 9 points and Todd Golden is doing a great job of adjusting the rotations each game depending on which guys are performing the best. We have the depth so that different guys can pick up the load when other guys falter. Not having Clayton for the last 15 minutes of the game and yet Tyrese Samuel stepped up with a monster game, as did Zyon Pullin and Handlogten and they found a way to win by 9. We had a lot of things go against us tonight and still won the game. Rejoice!!!
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I agree with most of what you say here Ocala. We faced some serious obstacles tonight and still got the W. Mizzou actually played Tenn and Arky very tough. My problem with the refs tonight is they were inconsistent with the whistles and really took us out of our rhythm. Mizzou likes a slow grind it out type of game so no real impact to them. When Mizzou cut it to 1 with about 6 minutes to play we found another gear and got the W. 10 wins makes us a lock for the tourney. Now we need to improve our seeding.
The consitency about the SEC refs is their inconsistency. I just don't think it's directed at Florida. It was a tough game for Florida to mentally approach and we still got the win. Now focus on the next game at South Carolina. They will be ready for that one I think and, hopefully, the guys will be fired up and ready to get a big road win.
Totally agree. I did not mean to imply the inconsistency of the refs was directed only at Florida. It went both ways. But it tends to bog down play and make it an ugly game which we don't want.
The conference schedule is a grind for sure. It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. I think the SEC is better than they've been in a decade and there are no easy outs. They have to play hard even against the weaklings to seal the deal. The Lamecocks will be tough in their crib for sure, there is no doubt about that.
Especially the "foul" from beyond 3 called on Pullin that gave Mizzou the most gifted FT's I've ever seen. Even the announcers were puzzled by that BS call.
Nonetheless, every win in the SEC is a good win.
With Billy Donovan most responsible for those 20+ wins during this century.
Dude doesn't get touched on an airball and ends up with 3 points. Fortunately, it did not impact the outcome of the game.
Each and every one here has a right to their own opinions.
Opinions are not right or wrong, by definition, they're just different.
The SEC officials can be any of these things on any given day/game.
Biased (favor one team), corrupt (threatened or bought), or just generally incompetent (most often).
I believe that they have been guilty of, of any one or all three, at times.
And like the FBI, while not all them in a crew suck, but it only takes one to bend an outcome.
Last night, they were of the overall poor quality that I've come to expect of them.
And when they stop sucking, then I'll stop saying that they SUCKED! 😎
That said, my opinion is mine.
Telling me that my opinion is wrong is just your own (stupid imo) opinion. 😉
Having been here a very long time, I'm not offended by other opinions that differ from my own.
It's expected, so feel free to continue to differ when you do.
'The Crowd' might only exist in your own mind, you know. 🙄
Several people with similar opinions don't necessarily make up a 'crowd.'
Just the stats ma'am...
Haugh - 11 Min - Had 2 Blks and a Stl
Condon - 10 Min - Had 6 Rbs, (2-O-4-D) with a Stl and 1 Pt.
Aberdeen - 7 Min - Had 1-O Rb, 1 Ast, and 1 Pt
Kugel - 20 Min - Had 1/3 FG's, 0/2 3's, and 1/2 FT's for 3 Pts and no other stats.
JMOHO, but Kugel is the missing Corey Brewer part so far this season.
Whatever his current problem is, for him and the team, here's to hoping that he over-comes it soon.....
Opinions are not right or wrong, by definition, they're just different.
The SEC officials can be any of these things on any given day/game.
Biased (favor one team), corrupt (threatened or bought), or just generally incompetent (most often).
I believe that they have been guilty of, of any one or all three, at times.
And like the FBI, while not all them in a crew suck, but it only takes one to bend an outcome.
Last night, they were of the overall poor quality that I've come to expect of them.
And when they stop sucking, then I'll stop saying that they SUCKED! 😎
That said, my opinion is mine.
Telling me that my opinion is wrong is just your own (stupid imo) opinion. 😉
Having been here a very long time, I'm not offended by other opinions that differ from my own.
It's expected, so feel free to continue to differ when you do.
'The Crowd' might only exist in your own mind, you know. 🙄
Several people with similar opinions don't necessarily make up a 'crowd.'
Just the stats ma'am...
Haugh - 11 Min - Had 2 Blks and a Stl
Condon - 10 Min - Had 6 Rbs, (2-O-4-D) with a Stl and 1 Pt.
Aberdeen - 7 Min - Had 1-O Rb, 1 Ast, and 1 Pt
Kugel - 20 Min - Had 1/3 FG's, 0/2 3's, and 1/2 FT's for 3 Pts and no other stats.
JMOHO, but Kugel is the missing Corey Brewer part so far this season.
Whatever his current problem is, for him and the team, here's to hoping that he over-comes it soon.....
Disappointing year for Women's BB. They're just scrambling to get a WNIT bid now.
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Florida Edged by Alabama in Fourth Quarter Battle - Florida Gators
Florida falls to Alabama after a final push in the fourth quarter. The Gators were led by Leilani Correa with her ninth 20+ point outing of the season.
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I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for Kugel to turn into Corey Brewer. Kugel’s lack of impact this season is a real head scratcher when you consider the athletic advantages he’s got. He had some nice passes to start breaks against Missouri. It seems like if he’s not scoring he loses interest. When he gets going (about 1 game out of 5 this season) he looks like an all sec player.
Can someone please give Golden some pointers on how to beat the zone. Having Samuel stand around the free throw line does nothing but help the zone. At least go pick someone. Goodness. Another double digit second half lead blown. Has there ever been a team blow more double digit leads in the second half??
