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[BSC911]

The Pope IS a communist raised in the tradition of South American Maryknoll missionaries in the 50's. End of story.

Wrong. And you don't get to say when the story ends.
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Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.
Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.

Oh look, first page of Google once again cutting and pasting from the internet to try to pass off the thoughts of others as his own:

Is the Pope a communist?

Pope Francis's critique of free-market economics has made him an icon for the Left and prompted claims that he is a communist. Is he?

www.bbc.com

14th and 15th paragraphs read:

"Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.

Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century."

What a sad little man.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Socialism, Capitalism, and the Bible

The so-called liberation theologians not only promote a synthesis of Marxism and Christianity, but attempt to ground their recommended restrictions of economic and political freedom on their interpretation of the biblical ethic.

imprimis.hillsdale.edu

 

[BSC911]

Socialism, Capitalism, and the Bible

The so-called liberation theologians not only promote a synthesis of Marxism and Christianity, but attempt to ground their recommended restrictions of economic and political freedom on their interpretation of the biblical ethic.

imprimis.hillsdale.edu

A reasonable opinion piece, and I agree with most of it. Specifically,

(3) The moral system of the Bible is another key element of the Christian worldview. While the Ten Commandments do not constitute the entire biblical ethic, they are a good place to begin. But it is important to notice other dimensions of the biblical ethic that have relevance for our subject. For example, Christians on the Left insist that the biblical ethic condemns individual actions and social structures that oppress people, harm people and favor some at the expense of others. I agree. Where I disagree, however, is with the next step taken by the Leftists. They claim that capitalism inevitably and necessarily encourages individual actions and produces social structures that oppress and harm people. On this point, they are dead wrong. Fortunately, the question as to which system actually harms or helps different classes of people is an empirical and not a normative matter. The Leftists simply have their facts wrong.

However, he does tend to exaggerate some of his points. It’s not an either or choice. Taken literally, any taxation used for the common good could be considered socialist. This is not inherently immoral. and all Western societies, including the US, have are elements of both capitalism and socialism. None are pure. And clearly the gospels speak to care for “the least of these” which as a society can be done thru charitable works (preferable) or thru government sanctioned programs. The Bible condemns neither.

 

[kjfreeze]

A reasonable opinion piece, and I agree with most of it. Specifically,

(3) The moral system of the Bible is another key element of the Christian worldview. While the Ten Commandments do not constitute the entire biblical ethic, they are a good place to begin. But it is important to notice other dimensions of the biblical ethic that have relevance for our subject. For example, Christians on the Left insist that the biblical ethic condemns individual actions and social structures that oppress people, harm people and favor some at the expense of others. I agree. Where I disagree, however, is with the next step taken by the Leftists. They claim that capitalism inevitably and necessarily encourages individual actions and produces social structures that oppress and harm people. On this point, they are dead wrong. Fortunately, the question as to which system actually harms or helps different classes of people is an empirical and not a normative matter. The Leftists simply have their facts wrong.

However, he does tend to exaggerate some of his points. It’s not an either or choice. Taken literally, any taxation used for the common good could be considered socialist. This is not inherently immoral. and all Western societies, including the US, have are elements of both capitalism and socialism. None are pure. And clearly the gospels speak to care for “the least of these” which as a society can be done thru charitable works (preferable) or thru government sanctioned programs. The Bible condemns neither.

The bible isn't supposed to be an all-inclusive at condemning or agreeing. That's not its intent.

 

[BSC911]

The bible isn't supposed to be an all-inclusive at condemning or agreeing. That's not its intent.

I never said it was. But it clearly doesn’t promote a laissez faire capitalism, and the pursuit of wealth, as its first priority. And you still haven’t provided any support for my pope being a communist. That’s absurd on its face.

Maybe you got that from Rush.

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That's what conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh suggests, calling the Pope's latest document "pure Marxism."

Limbaugh blasted the pontiff on Wednesday, a day after Francis released "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel), a 50,000-word statement that calls for church reform and castigates elements of modern capitalism.

 

[BillCutting4585]

Oh look, first page of Google once again cutting and pasting from the internet to try to pass off the thoughts of others as his own:

Is the Pope a communist?

Pope Francis's critique of free-market economics has made him an icon for the Left and prompted claims that he is a communist. Is he?

www.bbc.com

14th and 15th paragraphs read:

"Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.

Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century."

What a sad little man.

@BSC911 for the record, can we get a comment on the plagiarism?

 

[BSC911]

I

@BSC911 for the record, can we get a comment on the plagiarism?

have no idea who that is.

 

[BillCutting4585]

I

have no idea who that is.

It’s not important, can we get a comment on the plagiarism?

 

[BSC911]

It’s not important, can we get a comment on the plagiarism?

What plagerism?

I guess I’m against it, whatever it is.

Are you still working on a response to my debate questions?

 

[BillCutting4585]

Oh look, first page of Google once again cutting and pasting from the internet to try to pass off the thoughts of others as his own:

Is the Pope a communist?

Pope Francis's critique of free-market economics has made him an icon for the Left and prompted claims that he is a communist. Is he?

www.bbc.com

14th and 15th paragraphs read:

"Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.

Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century."

What a sad little man.

@BSC911

 

[BSC911]

@BSC911

Sorry, I have him on ignore. I don’t waste my time with obvious trolls.

 

[BSC911]

@BSC911

Now you made me read his post. Damn you.

it wasn’t intended to be my thoughts. That is why I separated it with dashes. I don’t always post a link because some clown (Ghost, as usual) will inevitably just critique the source, thus missing the entire point. You’ll notice I did the same with the Rush quote above. That is why I listed that as a point in our debate, which you seem to be avoiding.

Are you still working on a response to my debate questions.

 

[BSC911]

Oh look, first page of Google once again cutting and pasting from the internet to try to pass off the thoughts of others as his own:

Is the Pope a communist?

Pope Francis's critique of free-market economics has made him an icon for the Left and prompted claims that he is a communist. Is he?

www.bbc.com

14th and 15th paragraphs read:

"Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.

Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century."

What a sad little man.

Talk about sad, it’s a guy that follows me around all day. That’s why I call you my puppet.

It wasn’t intended to be my thoughts, doofus. You are such a waste of time.

 

[goldmom]

Wrong. And you don't get to say when the story ends.
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Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.
Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century.

So be it, but my Catholic education tells me that this dude is a leftist Marxist revolutionary in the best South American tradition. You have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Now you made me read his post. Damn you.

it wasn’t intended to be my thoughts. That is why I separated it with dashes. I don’t always post a link because some clown (Ghost, as usual) will inevitably just critique the source, thus missing the entire point. You’ll notice I did the same with the Rush quote above. That is why I listed that as a point in our debate, which you seem to be avoiding.

Are you still working on a response to my debate questions.

Need to use quotes instead of dashes. You could label the source without offering the link. Then the person would have to look it up. BTW he did anyway and then you left yourself open for the claim of plagiarism. Not a catholic but using Papal stuff to defend Papal stuff is a bit of a non-starter for non-catholics. I had two catholic roomates in college and one of my best friends from college is catholic. Friends with all 3. Rarely was any religious differences debated.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

It’s not important, can we get a comment on the plagiarism?

Worth remembering that the guy he voted for had to drop out of his first presidential race in 88 due to being caught committing plagiarism.

Have never understood why the dems think cheating is perfectly fine.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Talk about sad, it’s a guy that follows me around all day. That’s why I call you my puppet.

It wasn’t intended to be my thoughts, doofus. You are such a waste of time.

Sorry, you're currently welching on our bet so I can't believe you when you say you weren't lying here.

Tell the truth and people will believe you. It's not that hard, and this isn't the first time you've been caught copying someone else's thoughts as your own.

 

[BSC911]

So be it, but my Catholic education tells me that this dude is a leftist Marxist revolutionary in the best South American tradition. You have your opinion and I have mine.

They were more fascists during his time. Like Peron.

 

[BSC911]

Need to use quotes instead of dashes. You could label the source without offering the link. Then the person would have to look it up. BTW he did anyway and then you left yourself open for the claim of plagiarism. Not a catholic but using Papal stuff to defend Papal stuff is a bit of a non-starter for non-catholics. I had two catholic roomates in college and one of my best friends from college is catholic. Friends with all 3. Rarely was any religious differences debated.

Just laziness. Nobody has original thought on here anyway.

But yes, very little difference between Catholics and Protestants, just emphasis. And Protestants over reliance on Paul‘s writings. My brother is a Protestant preacher. I love to argue with him.

 

[martycat1]

A reasonable opinion piece, and I agree with most of it. Specifically,

(3) The moral system of the Bible is another key element of the Christian worldview. While the Ten Commandments do not constitute the entire biblical ethic, they are a good place to begin. But it is important to notice other dimensions of the biblical ethic that have relevance for our subject. For example, Christians on the Left insist that the biblical ethic condemns individual actions and social structures that oppress people, harm people and favor some at the expense of others. I agree. Where I disagree, however, is with the next step taken by the Leftists. They claim that capitalism inevitably and necessarily encourages individual actions and produces social structures that oppress and harm people. On this point, they are dead wrong. Fortunately, the question as to which system actually harms or helps different classes of people is an empirical and not a normative matter. The Leftists simply have their facts wrong.

However, he does tend to exaggerate some of his points. It’s not an either or choice. Taken literally, any taxation used for the common good could be considered socialist. This is not inherently immoral. and all Western societies, including the US, have are elements of both capitalism and socialism. None are pure. And clearly the gospels speak to care for “the least of these” which as a society can be done thru charitable works (preferable) or thru government sanctioned programs. The Bible condemns neither.

So this is your moral basis for your voting choices?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Just laziness. Nobody has original thought on here anyway.

Translation: I am dumb, so there's nothing wrong with me stealing what I need from someone else who put in the time to research the topic. And I'll attempt to justify my plagiarism by claiming others are just as lazy and dumb as I am.

As one of the many people here who are smarter than you, I can confirm that you are completely wrong.

 

[kjfreeze]

Worth remembering that the guy he voted for had to drop out of his first presidential race in 88 due to being caught committing plagiarism.

Have never understood why the dems think cheating is perfectly fine.

They have no morals and therefore cannot see the wrong they do.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Sorry, I have him on ignore. I don’t waste my time with obvious trolls.

BTW, if you really had me on Ignore, you would have only seen @BillCutting4585's tag of you.

So you just got caught lying again.

That may be why the adults stopped talking to you in the debate thread. Also why a lot of things are going wrong in your life, I suspect.

 

[goldmom]

They were more fascists during his time. Like Peron.

Thus the Marxist Maryknoll "missionaries" opposing them.

 

[kjfreeze]

Wrong. And you don't get to say when the story ends.
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Nonetheless, the economic writings of both John Paul and Francis also reflect the same intellectual tradition - one known as Catholic Social Teaching. It was originally articulated in an 1891 papal document called Rerum Novarum, in which Pope Leo XIII addressed what he called the "spirit of revolutionary change" then sweeping Europe.
Some of it is very clearly designed to be a rebuttal of the communist ideas that were part of that change, but it is also a critique of aspects of capitalism. So it is an unfamiliar mix that does not fit neatly into the left-right divide that dominated the politics of the following century.

JP the Great is not in the same lower class as Francis. @goldmom is correct. And I like the way you copy-and-paste information to make us think you wrote it. You're not that smart with historical Catholicism.

 

[martycat1]

Im thinking my church down the road where we preach Jesus. Then talk about cutting hay and who needs a bull is about right for me.

 

[NavigatorII]

Eesh. I have not and will not read this entire thread. I caught just enough to get the jist of it. But the evidence is in. This CURRENT pope is an avowed commie. No ifs, ands or but.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Eesh. I have not and will not read this entire thread. I caught just enough to get the jist of it. But the evidence is in. This CURRENT pope is an avowed commie. No ifs, ands or but.

Two biggest piggy banks for the globalists in the world: The Vatican and the Fed.

 

[martycat1]

Eesh. I have not and will not read this entire thread. I caught just enough to get the jist of it. But the evidence is in. This CURRENT pope is an avowed commie. No ifs, ands or but.

Same here Navi. I am not going to welcome that evil into my life.

 

[martycat1]

BTW, if you really had me on Ignore, you would have only seen @BillCutting4585's tag of you.

So you just got caught lying again.

That may be why the adults stopped talking to you in the debate thread. Also why a lot of things are going wrong in your life, I suspect.

Just another douchbag elect.

 

[BSC911]

JP the Great is not in the same lower class as Francis. @goldmom is correct. And I like the way you copy-and-paste information to make us think you wrote it. You're not that smart with historical Catholicism.

Uh, no different than posting a link which you probably wouldn’t read.

You still have no support for calling him a communist, which is ridiculous since communism requires atheism. You have provided zero support for your claim, and are just repeating what Rush says. That’s the definition of laziness.

I promise you I am way better read on historical Catholicism than you are. And I’ve spent a lot of time in Rome.

 

[BSC911]

Eesh. I have not and will not read this entire thread. I caught just enough to get the jist of it. But the evidence is in. This CURRENT pope is an avowed commie. No ifs, ands or but.

OK Rush. Yet no one seems to be able to provide such evidence.

 

[BSC911]

Thus the Marxist Maryknoll "missionaries" opposing them.

So if you oppose fascism then you are a communist? That’s an interesting take.

 

[kjfreeze]

Uh, no different than posting a link which you probably wouldn’t read.

You still have no support for calling him a communist, which is ridiculous since communism requires atheism. You have provided zero support for your claim, and are just repeating what Rush says. That’s the definition of laziness.

I promise you I am way better read on historical Catholicism than you are. And I’ve spent a lot of time in Rome.

Satan is very cunning and deceptive. And he is also very bold and arrogant. If it walks like an atheist and talks like a Christian, I'd go with the walk, and that's exactly what your side is doing. Take a broad step back (and I mean a broad step because you are way too close) and see what each side stands for. That's the works. Talk is cheap. You are actually both. I commend you for talking atheistic-style rhetoric and backing it up by your actions by voting for the devil incarnate. Nothing hidden from you, and that's why you voted for Hiden.

 

[BSC911]

Thus the Marxist Maryknoll "missionaries" opposing them.

Here are some links on Maryknoll. Show me where they support an authoritarian atheistic regime.

Maryknoll leadership statement on Pope Francis' encyclical "On Care for Our Common Home"

On the occasion of his first visit to the United States, the leadership of the Maryknoll Sisters, Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers, and the Maryknoll Lay Missioners offer a warm welcome to Pope Francis.

maryknollogc.org

Study Guide: Pope Francis' Fratelli Tutti

Download our 6-page guide in English or Spanish to study the pope's encyclical on peace and dialogue.

maryknollogc.org

Belief in God as creator of all has consequences, pope says in new encyclical

Professing faith in God as the creator of all human beings has concrete consequences for how people should treat one another and make decisions in politics, economics and social life, Pope Francis says in his new encyclical "Fratelli Tutti, on Fraternity and Social Friendship."

www.maryknollmagazine.org

 

[goldmom]

So if you oppose fascism then you are a communist? That’s an interesting take.

Rivals for power.
And this girl remembers clearly getting pamphlets in the 4th grade at Assumption in Jacksonville about how the nice Maryknoll fathers fought against the evil men in the corrupt governments.
Sorry you weren't able to go to Catholic school. You could have been exposed to indoctrination, too.

 

[BSC911]

Satan is very cunning and deceptive. And he is also very bold and arrogant. If it walks like an atheist and talks like a Christian, I'd go with the walk, and that's exactly what your side is doing. Take a broad step back (and I mean a broad step because you are way too close) and see what each side stands for. That's the works. Talk is cheap. You are actually both. I commend you for talking atheistic-style rhetoric and backing it up by your actions by voting for the devil incarnate. Nothing hidden from you, and that's why you voted for Hiden.

Yes, talk is cheap. Zero support for calling him a communist. Just a cheap label, which seems to be the extent of people’s debating ability on here.

And no, I didn’t vote for Trump, which I have proven is the antiChrist. Do I need to repost that?

 

[BSC911]

Rivals for power.
And this girl remembers clearly getting pamphlets in the 4th grade at Assumption in Jacksonville about how the nice Maryknoll fathers fought against the evil men in the corrupt governments.
Sorry you weren't able to go to Catholic school. You could have been exposed to indoctrination, too.

First and second grade only. Mom taught at Jacksonville Edgewood. My Kids all went to Jesuit schools.

And there are many many Catholic sects with a long history of fighting against oppressive governments. And have given their lives.for that cause. I still don’t catch the link that makes them all communists.

 

[kjfreeze]

Here are some links on Maryknoll. Show me where they support an authoritarian atheistic regime.

Maryknoll leadership statement on Pope Francis' encyclical "On Care for Our Common Home"

On the occasion of his first visit to the United States, the leadership of the Maryknoll Sisters, Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers, and the Maryknoll Lay Missioners offer a warm welcome to Pope Francis.

maryknollogc.org

Study Guide: Pope Francis' Fratelli Tutti

Download our 6-page guide in English or Spanish to study the pope's encyclical on peace and dialogue.

maryknollogc.org

Belief in God as creator of all has consequences, pope says in new encyclical

Professing faith in God as the creator of all human beings has concrete consequences for how people should treat one another and make decisions in politics, economics and social life, Pope Francis says in his new encyclical "Fratelli Tutti, on Fraternity and Social Friendship."

www.maryknollmagazine.org

I'm not in the Maryknoll know, but Pope Francis is an anti-Pope. Satan has entered the church. He can't destroy it from outside in, so he chose to destroy it from inside out, and that's also what you should recognize with America. There are a lot of traitors in the democrat and republican parties and the justice system. Wake up @BSC911