I doubt it...he will be a hot topic for years to come. However, it looks like JD will be disbanding the RRT sooner than later, so the threads will likely only go a few posts then fall off the front page. Hope is on the horizon, MJ.
Why Tampa shouldn't draft Winston
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Don't regret it a bit. In fact, that post made me laugh- and is likely the reason you're still with us for the moment.Originally posted by alaskanseminole:
Thank, JD. He assigned our "official designation."
...which he's probably regretting.
Just because he sounds stupid....just because he looks stupid....
When something looks like a duke, acts like a duck and sounds like a duck, sometimes it IS a duck
Well...what most here either haven't been exposed to until now is what his coaches, and everyone with football knowledge know about him. They all say he's an exceptionally smart athlete devoted to football. His preparation and work ethic are un-matched. Quack.
A football IQ is a bit different from academic smarts. I have often maintained that he is an exceptional football talent. Including his ability to process information while in a play and then execute.
Off the field, he acts stupid, he sounds stupid and he often looks stupid.
Quack indeed.
Off the field, he acts stupid, he sounds stupid and he often looks stupid.
Quack indeed.
I'm afraid that he's going to be one of those people that constantly ends up on TMZ-like sites.
He'll be up there with Paris Hilton, Kirstie Alley and Oprah every other week. I can also see him packing on the pounds after he retires and attaining an eccentric Brando-like mystique into his old age.
To be honest and to ask for forgiveness in advance, I didn't read the thread because I'm so tired of rehashing Jamies Winston's character or lack thereof.
But for me, the only reason the Bucs should not draft Winston is if they don't think he's the best player available (I happen think he is the best player available). I wouldn't hold out much hope for his and the Bucs success, though, as long as Lovie Smith is the head coach.
I said in a different thread a few weeks ago I think their best option would be to trade the pick for multiple picks if they can get the right deal, and supposedly the Eagles are very interested in moving up to get Mariota.
But for me, the only reason the Bucs should not draft Winston is if they don't think he's the best player available (I happen think he is the best player available). I wouldn't hold out much hope for his and the Bucs success, though, as long as Lovie Smith is the head coach.
I said in a different thread a few weeks ago I think their best option would be to trade the pick for multiple picks if they can get the right deal, and supposedly the Eagles are very interested in moving up to get Mariota.
It cannot happen, you do not simply trade the number one overall pick like that. As for the Eagles trading up, that really cannot happen either....they basically have a chart of values for players and picks, and the Eagles just do not have and cannot afford to give up enough to move that far. No, the Bucs have to keep the pick, and they have to get a QB.
That's fine. If you believe he's actually stupid, that's your call. The folks who have met and worked with him disagree. You can ignore his academics and the opinions of those who actually know him.
Your choice. You make the rules for what a duck is in your world.
And of course you ignore his public persona, in your rush to give him a rim job. You deny he acts stupid? You deny he talks stupid? You deny that he even looks stupid? How would you characterize his off the field persona?
As far as his academics and test scores, he apparently was a decent HS student and decent FSU student. Of course, being an athlete at FSU does not require one to do all that much academically, as FSU's history in that regard demonstrates.
His ACT and SAT scores were commiserate for most FSU incoming freshmen. Not Stanford general admission quality, as so many FSU fans have incorrectly claimed. But certainly FSU quality. That makes him academically more qualified than 90% of other football players, going to FSU or otherwise.
It is ironic that you have an Obama critique in your signature. Because when people criticize him, they are called racists.
And not always because it's warranted either.
A movement is afoot to destroy the career of a young black man whom a young white woman with overwhelming, well-documented credibility problems has accused of raping her. Three separate investigations, including a Florida State Code of Conduct hearing, have found former Florida State quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston not to be a rapist. But now The Hunting Ground, a much-touted documentary on campus sexual assault, features his previously anonymous accuser presenting her case publicly for the first time. Senator Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.) has warned that NFL teams had better “watch this movie before they draft him.”
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/415269/cinematic-railroading-jameis-winston-stuart-taylor-jr
This post was edited on 3/12 4:43 PM by alaskanseminole
The Cinematic Railroading of Jameis Winston
Dude, getting blasted for crab stealing and profanity is one thing (warranted for childish behavior). Getting your name destroyed for sexual assault is a whole other story. It's sad that the former was used to support the latter when the two are not related. That is really poor journalism.
TPD, SA and FSU Code of Conduct. IMO, Judge Harding's ruling holds the most credibility. Regardless, it doesn't take an investigator to read the fact she changed her story more times than a politician. What she told Judge Harding was almost laughable.
Let the record show, neither I nor the RRT requested the author write the story linked above.
Exactly NONE of the three "Found Winston not to be a rapist." I highly suggest you get at least some slight grip on what it is that a criminal investigation does and does not do, even when it is COMPETENTLY performed, which this one (as your own article points out) WAS NOT. And if you ever get HALF as high on another fricking horse with me as you just did, you are gone and not coming back. CAPISCE?
This is what the FIRST of the three investigations did, according to YOUR LINK, Alaskan:
"The first investigation, by Tallahassee police, was deeply flawed
by errors including the failure of investigators to find and interview a
taxi driver who could have been a significant witness, failure to find
and preserve possibly relevant videotapes, and failure to find out more
quickly that the alleged rapist was Winston and seek a timely interview."
The SECOND investigation indeed found that the accuser lacked credibility. THAT IS NOT A FINDING THAT WINSTON IS NOT A RAPIST, OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT.
Finally, again from your OWN link, this is what the last of the three found:
"And in the third investigation, for Florida State, former Florida
supreme-court justice Major Harding reviewed a file of more than 1,000
pages. After conducting a meticulous, thorough, and fair two-day
hearing, he found that Winston's claim that Kinsman consented to sex was
as credible as her oft-revised claim that he raped her."
So a finding that Winston is "as credible" as the woman you denounce as having no credibility, suddenly means the investigation "Found Winston not to be a rapist."
I swear to God.
"The first investigation, by Tallahassee police, was deeply flawed
by errors including the failure of investigators to find and interview a
taxi driver who could have been a significant witness, failure to find
and preserve possibly relevant videotapes, and failure to find out more
quickly that the alleged rapist was Winston and seek a timely interview."
The SECOND investigation indeed found that the accuser lacked credibility. THAT IS NOT A FINDING THAT WINSTON IS NOT A RAPIST, OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT.
Finally, again from your OWN link, this is what the last of the three found:
"And in the third investigation, for Florida State, former Florida
supreme-court justice Major Harding reviewed a file of more than 1,000
pages. After conducting a meticulous, thorough, and fair two-day
hearing, he found that Winston's claim that Kinsman consented to sex was
as credible as her oft-revised claim that he raped her."
So a finding that Winston is "as credible" as the woman you denounce as having no credibility, suddenly means the investigation "Found Winston not to be a rapist."
I swear to God.
And just for the record, I have no idea whether or not Jameis raped that girl or not- and if you forced me to bet the ranch, I would bet that she was NOT raped. But I am so bloody tired of the ignorant argument that a completely botched initial investigation, that corrupted or destroyed the evidence UPON WHICH THE SUBSEQUENT TWO INVESTIGATIONS WERE PERFORMED, is somehow an exhoneration of Winston. Here's a newsflash, boys. PEOPLE WITH NO CREDIBILITY CAN STILL BE RAPED. And for the guy talking about rage- you're damn right I'm pissed off. Plenty of people trashing Winston. Plenty of people trashing the accuser. And the bloody TPD, that likely could have prevented the whole bloody thing from even BECOMING a he-said / she said... well, the TPD just keeps on rolling along. Blind? Yeah. Fanboys on both sides ought to STFU and realize the point that ought to be made. But they won't... because... TEAMMMM!
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I'm not going to argue with you over inferences in typed text. I've stated my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong who knows.
(feel free to read my edit)
This post was edited on 3/12 8:40 PM by alaskanseminole
I'm not going to argue with you over inferences in typed text. I've stated my opinion. Maybe I'm wrong who knows.
(feel free to read my edit)
This post was edited on 3/12 8:40 PM by alaskanseminole
Looks like political cronies John Thrasher and David Cornwell called in a favor with right wing media mouthpiece National Review. Too little, too late, but everything from here on out from FSU is just show for the die hard fans who want to play themselves as the victim rather than the school who covered up a sexual assault allegation. Pathetic.
Not exactly. I recognize that there is University-driven bias on both sides of this. IMO, anyone not a Nole has zero problem believing Jameis Winston is a rapist for two reasons: A. Because he's a Nole and B. because of all the other chit he got into while at FSU. His antics make it easier to believe the allegations. Not many who aren't associated with FSU will take the time to read past anything a simple pre-constructed narrative by a major news outlet puts out.
IMO, Noles defend Jameis for two reasons as well: A. Because he's a Nole and B. because they care enough to dig as deep as possible because of A.
While I don't necessarily care that Jameis is a Nole, it is for that reason I chose to dig past the media's biased, agenda-driven reporting to look deeper. I wouldn't do that for a player of another school (unless I chose to debate the issue).
I clearly stated on page 1 what I thought happened the night in question, but here it is again:
I think the girl went home with a guy she just met and had sex with him...during the encounter said guy's roommate (Casher) burst in the room to join in and she said no (and even got up, kicked him out and shut the door). Since the roommate couldn't join in, he decided to make a further arse of himself and tried filming it.
Afterwards, the girl got to thinking about the encounter and the video and got both embarrassed and scared that her friends and family would find out (maybe even see the video...also remember that her Attorney slipped up saying she didn't date "black boys"...um...oops--see Jamal Roberts), so she concocted a story to her friend Jenna that she was drunk, hit over the head at a party and then raped to try to get ahead of it (zero supporting evidence by UF toxicologist). She told this same story to Bri Henry in her home town.
Being the good friends these people are, they contacted the police...once the proverbial cat got let out of the bag, there was no turning back. She was stuck in this mess. Sadly, it's often hard to keep your story straight when it's made up (and make no mistake, she's had several versions).
Once the story broke to the media that fan favorite and Heisman hopeful Jameis Winston was the accused, the media went on the offensive and turned over every single rock they could find to vilify him and find him guilty in the court of public opinion.
Where Jameis went wrong was not laying low. He continued to "act the fool"; either out of ignorance/nativity or arrogance.
This post was edited on 3/13 12:30 PM by alaskanseminole
