Which team improves more in 2019?

[Jaxbchdawg]

So the 8th ranked recruiting class in the country is just average? Got it!

And since you said the talent on the team is just average to slightly above average how did UF finish 8th in the country? Obviously the coaching is very good and now that Mullen is bringing in better talent that is on the current roster due to poor recruiting by McElwain your going to have very good coaching with improved talent. UF is only going to improve once the talent level gets better than what it currently is. UF already has the coaching now the staff is improving the talent that was left behind by McElwain.

Go back and read my original post, man. I said you can’t win in the SEC if you don’t recruit at an elite level. Yes, 8th in the country is average when 5-6 other SEC teams are ahead of you. What don’t you understand about that?

Richt’s classs were typically in the 4-6 range in the SEC, you saw where that got him.

 

[oozie7]

You would think by now people would learn to look past a simple ranking list. Take for example LSU, we signed more 4-stars than them, had the same average per recruit, yet they're in the top 5 and we aren't. Same thing with Oregon, difference between their class and ours is 7 whole points. Can anybody quantify why that 7 points makes such a huge difference when ranking classes? Some of the kids they took couldn't have even committed to UF.

Rankings aren't that exact. We're not talking about a top 10 class vs. a class ranked 40th or some shit. If you're consistently in the top 10 and meeting needs and then develop players you'll have enough most years to compete. Muschamp had two top 5 classes, didn't make a difference. Malzahn has consistently been in the top 10, can't win anything. There are plenty of similar examples out there.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Teams who suck for 10 years typically don't have top 5 recruiting classes. And nobody said the class was all-world, just refuting your point about it being average or on the same level of the classes leaving here. That's factually wrong.

Bullshit, Florida is a big time program and should always recruit well. Not average overall, average in the SEC. To be fair, I said average to above average.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

You would think by now people would learn to look past a simple ranking list. Take for example LSU, we signed more 4-stars than them, had the same average per recruit, yet they're in the top 5 and we aren't. Same thing with Oregon, difference between their class and ours is 7 whole points. Can anybody quantify why that 7 points makes such a huge difference when ranking classes? Some of the kids they took couldn't have even committed to UF.

Rankings aren't that exact. We're not talking about a top 10 class vs. a class ranked 40th or some shit. If you're consistently in the top 10 and meeting needs and then develop players you'll have enough most years to compete. Muschamp had two top 5 classes, didn't make a difference. Malzahn has consistently been in the top 10, can't win anything. There are plenty of similar examples out there.

I agree, but having elite classes makes it easier. Funny thing is, you guys keep talking about all these coaches that haven’t won anything, but what has Mullen won?

 

[oozie7]

Recruiting is inexact. It's an indicator. It's not a 1-to-1 for results. It's not as simple as #4 ranked class vs. #7 ranked class, #4 has better talent. Especially when you're comparing top 10 classes. There are multiple sites that don't even rank classes the same much less ranking players the same yet you think a few points difference in a class is the be all end all.

What was the average ranking of UGA's 4 recruiting classes of that roster that led them to a championship in 2017? 8.5, or 9. During that stretch multiple teams, UF included, outrecruited them. Yet UGA had one of the more talented teams in all of football with multiple future NFL draft picks. But according to you their talent would be average. How did they win anything? I'm sure you'll just credit Kirby's great development.

 

[oozie7]

And Mullen hasn't won anything, he sucks. All the coaches who continually praise the job he did at MSU and calling it a really hard place to win don't know anything. All UGA fans have it figured out. Mullen couldn't win a title at MSU therefore he sucks and will never win anything. We learned that already. Any new lessons?

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Ok and you're still wrong. What about recruiting rankings being inexact do you not understand? It's an indicator. It's not a 1-to-1 for results. It's not as simple as #4 ranked class vs. #7 ranked class, #4 has better talent. Especially when you're comparing top 10 classes. There are multiple sites that don't even rank classes the same much less ranking players the same yet you think a few points difference in a class is the be all end all.

What was the average ranking of UGA's 4 recruiting classes of that roster that led them to a championship in 2017? 8.5, or 9. During that stretch multiple teams, UF included, outrecruited them. Yet UGA had one of the more talented teams in all of football with multiple future NFL draft picks. But according to you their talent would be average. How did they win anything? I'm sure you'll just credit Kirby's great development.

Uga’s average ranking was 8 in 2017. But, that UGA team didn’t have to go up against an east team recruiting #1 classes like Kirby’s UGA. Apples and oranges, though. And I know, recruiting doesn’t matter, it’s all about X’s and O’s. Your boy Mullen has his chance to prove it this year.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

And Mullen hasn't won anything, he sucks. All the coaches who continually praise the job he did at MSU and calling it a really hard place to win don't know anything. All UGA fans have it figured out. Mullen couldn't win a title at MSU therefore he sucks and will never win anything. We learned that already. Any new lessons?

I said Mullen is very good, go look at my previous post. Stop making stuff up because the truth hurts your feelings.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yep Mullen sucks. How come he didn’t win multiple SECs and national titles at Miss St. Miss St had such a great tradition and history before he arrived and they won so much.

And this is why UGA fans aren’t the most intelligent.

 

[PacoGator19]

I said Mullen is very good, go look at my previous post. Stop making stuff up because the truth hurts your feelings.

BS. You say Mullen is very good but then turn around and say how come he’s never won any championships. You talk in circles

 

[instaGATOR]

I agree, but having elite classes makes it easier. Funny thing is, you guys keep talking about all these coaches that haven’t won anything, but what has Mullen won?

He just won a New Years 6 Bowl vs #7 Mich with the #1 defense,,, by +26.

While 4th & Dumb just lost the Sugar Bowl to #15 Texass...

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Yep Mullen sucks. How come he didn’t win multiple SECs and national titles at Miss St. Miss St had such a great tradition and history before he arrived and they won so much.

And this is why UGA fans aren’t the most intelligent.

Never said he sucks. I just think he should win something before crowning him all world.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

He just won a New Years 6 Bowl vs #7 Mich with the #1 defense,,, by +26.

While 4th & Dumb just lost the Sugar Bowl to #15 Texass...

Hahahaha, Michigan, really?

 

[PacoGator19]

Uga’s average ranking was 8 in 2017. But, that UGA team didn’t have to go up against an east team recruiting #1 classes like Kirby’s UGA. Apples and oranges, though. And I know, recruiting doesn’t matter, it’s all about X’s and O’s. Your boy Mullen has his chance to prove it this year.

Recruiting does matter but so does X’s and O’s & player development. Thank goodness UF now has a coach that can do both.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Recruiting does matter but so does X’s and O’s & player development. Thank goodness UF now has a coach that can do both.

We’ll see

 

[instaGATOR]

Hahahaha, Michigan, really?

Hahahahahaha,,, while 4th & Dumb LOST to freakin' #15 Texazz...

 

[oozie7]

Uga’s average ranking was 8 in 2017. But, that UGA team didn’t have to go up against an east team recruiting #1 classes like Kirby’s UGA. Apples and oranges, though. And I know, recruiting doesn’t matter, it’s all about X’s and O’s. Your boy Mullen has his chance to prove it this year.

Uh they went up against the team who had had the #1 ranked class the last 7 years in the championship game lol. And they were more talented than the team who had vastly outrecruited them according to rankings, look at the NFL draft. Get it now?

 

[oozie7]

I said Mullen is very good, go look at my previous post. Stop making stuff up because the truth hurts your feelings.

I'm not making anything up, y'all are just passive aggressive and talk in one circles. I see what you type in one post, then in the next you're talking about how he doesn't recruit well and has never won anything. This ain't the first thread, there are others where you talk about how if he was better he would have been somewhere better than MSU blah, blah, blah. Get to the point already and say what you believe and stop tapdancing.

 

[fsumc]

Tap dancing is mandatory otherwise they have to admit their coach has zero excuse for his results. His recruiting classes have been in the top three every year which augmented a team already stacked in talent thanks to Richt. UGA hasn’t just lost heartbreakers during Kirby’s tenure they have been out schemed and pushed around the field when facing teams with similar talent. Ed Orgeron outclassed Kirby Smart. Their hope is that they will be able to our talent their way to a trophy. It’s why they dance around the X’s and O’s consistently.

It’s very odd to see a fanbase make fun of a coach for spending a long time at a bottom feeder school when their head coach spent an even longer time as a DC. I would say the guy at the bottom feeder at least had the balls to go test his mettle not ride someone else’s coattails until a premier job opened up.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

I'm not making anything up, y'all are just passive aggressive and talk in one circles. I see what you type in one post, then in the next you're talking about how he doesn't recruit well and has never won anything. This ain't the first thread, there are others where you talk about how if he was better he would have been somewhere better than MSU blah, blah, blah. Get to the point already and say what you believe and stop tapdancing.

You hear what you want to hear. Mullen is not a great recruiter, sorry. You guys get stomped by Kirby then turn around and claim he’s a terrible gameday coach.

What has Mullen won? It’s an honest question. I was responding to you ragging Malzahn about never winning anything. Last time I checked, Malzahn has won more championships than Mullen. SEC Championships count as championships, believe it or not.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Tap dancing is mandatory otherwise they have to admit their coach has zero excuse for his results. His recruiting classes have been in the top three every year which augmented a team already stacked in talent thanks to Richt. UGA hasn’t just lost heartbreakers during Kirby’s tenure they have been out schemed and pushed around the field when facing teams with similar talent. Ed Orgeron outclassed Kirby Smart. Their hope is that they will be able to our talent their way to a trophy. It’s why they dance around the X’s and O’s consistently.

It’s very odd to see a fanbase make fun of a coach for spending a long time at a bottom feeder school when their head coach spent an even longer time as a DC. I would say the guy at the bottom feeder at least had the balls to go test his mettle not ride someone else’s coattails until a premier job opened up.

What do you think of a fan base that makes fun of a coach (Kirby) that has whipped their ass two years in a row on and off the field (recruiting)?

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Tap dancing is mandatory otherwise they have to admit their coach has zero excuse for his results. His recruiting classes have been in the top three every year which augmented a team already stacked in talent thanks to Richt. UGA hasn’t just lost heartbreakers during Kirby’s tenure they have been out schemed and pushed around the field when facing teams with similar talent. Ed Orgeron outclassed Kirby Smart. Their hope is that they will be able to our talent their way to a trophy. It’s why they dance around the X’s and O’s consistently.

It’s very odd to see a fanbase make fun of a coach for spending a long time at a bottom feeder school when their head coach spent an even longer time as a DC. I would say the guy at the bottom feeder at least had the balls to go test his mettle not ride someone else’s coattails until a premier job opened up.

It’s not my fault the guy was stuck at MSU for so long. Perhaps no other elite programs wanted him. Afterall, he was Florida’s 3rd choice.

Bottom feeder or not, still doesn’t change the fact that he’s never won a division or conference championship.

 

[fsumc]

I hate both of your teams but to blatantly ignore the nuances between the schools and coaches you’re trying to compare means you’re either intellectually dishonest or an imbecile.

 

[PacoGator19]

I hate both of your teams but to blatantly ignore the nuances between the schools and coaches you’re trying to compare means you’re either intellectually dishonest or an imbecile.

Likely both.
He tells us Mullen is a good coach in one post and then bashes him the next.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Likely both.
He tells us Mullen is a good coach in one post and then bashes him the next.

How did I bash him? He is a good coach, I just don’t think he’s elite. Take it however you want to take it. Im sure you’ll find a way to twist that as well...

 

[PacoGator19]

It’s very odd to see a fanbase make fun of a coach for spending a long time at a bottom feeder school when their head coach spent an even longer time as a DC. I would say the guy at the bottom feeder at least had the balls to go test his mettle not ride someone else’s coattails until a premier job opened up.[/

BINGO. You just nailed it.

 

[PacoGator19]

How did I bash him? He is a good coach, I just don’t think he’s elite. Take it however you want to take it. Im sure you’ll find a way to twist that as well...

Great. You’ve made your point a gazillion times by saying the same thing over and over again. Congrats! Can you go find something else to talk about now?

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

I hate both of your teams but to blatantly ignore the nuances between the schools and coaches you’re trying to compare means you’re either intellectually dishonest or an imbecile.

Sorry, I just haven’t crowned the guy yet. I will crown him when he wins something, okay? Other coaches have won at Mississippi State.

 

[PacoGator19]

Sorry, I just haven’t crowned the guy yet. I will crown him when he wins something, okay? Other coaches have won at Mississippi State.

Which coaches are those? Never mind the fact that Mullen is the winningest coach in Mississippi State history and has taken them to their most bowl games and most bowl wins.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Great. You’ve made your point a gazillion times by saying the same thing over and over again. Congrats! Can you go find something else to talk about now?

Lol, classic. You like to make false claims then attempt to change the subject when called out. I haven’t said anything out of line or untrue about Mullen.

 

[PacoGator19]

Sorry, I just haven’t crowned the guy yet. I will crown him when he wins something, okay? Other coaches have won at Mississippi State.

And we haven’t crowned Smart yet! There you go. Discussion over

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

Which coaches are those? Never mind the fact that Mullen is the winningest coach in Mississippi State history and has taken them to their most bowl games and most bowl wins.

Jackie Sherrill had 3-4 ten win seasons if I’m not mistaken.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

And we haven’t crowned Smart yet! There you go. Discussion over

Smart has won something, though

 

[PacoGator19]

Jackie Sherrill had 3-4 ten win seasons if I’m not mistaken.

LMAO. Your clueless. I suggest you go check Jackie Sherrill’s record at Miss St again.

 

[PacoGator19]

Mullen won 61% of his games at Miss St. Sherril won 50%. Not to mention the SEC West was much weaker during Sherril’s time as well. Not even a close comparison.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

LMAO. Your clueless. I suggest you go check Jackie Sherrill’s record at Miss St again.

I stand corrected, he had 1 ten win season. Mullen also had 1 ten win season.

*you’re

 

[fsumc]

This is what I’m talking about regarding nuances though. You appear to be equating Miss St is equal to Auburn is equal to A&M is equal to Alabama, etc. But only when it’s convenient to your argument. No one has won at Miss St just like no one has won at Vandy but it’s hard to argue with James Franklin’s success there and at PSU. I don’t think Gator fans have crowned Mullen but they clearly have reason to be optimistic. Rival banter is fun but it’s really annoying when it can’t be done so honestly.

 

[Jaxbchdawg]

This is what I’m talking about regarding nuances though. You appear to be equating Miss St is equal to Auburn is equal to A&M is equal to Alabama, etc. But only when it’s convenient to your argument. No one has won at Miss St just like no one has won at Vandy but it’s hard to argue with James Franklin’s success there and at PSU. I don’t think Gator fans have crowned Mullen but they clearly have reason to be optimistic. Rival banter is fun but it’s really annoying when it can’t be done so honestly.

No, I clearly understand the difference, I’m just sick of the Kirby bashing from gator fans. The gator fans I know have definitely crowned Mullen. I’d rather take a wait and see approach with him. I think he’s going to do good things at Florida but, I just don’t think he’ll have the success urban and spurrier had.

If he’s as good as they think, he’ll beat Kirby this year.

 

[GADAWGinIraq]

So the 8th ranked recruiting class in the country is just average? Got it!

And since you said the talent on the team is just average to slightly above average how did UF finish 8th in the country? Obviously the coaching is very good and now that Mullen is bringing in better talent that is on the current roster due to poor recruiting by McElwain your going to have very good coaching with improved talent. UF is only going to improve once the talent level gets better than what it currently is. UF already has the coaching now the staff is improving the talent that was left behind by McElwain.

Of course it's not average, but it's 5th in the conference which means the deck is stacked against it to win the SEC.

 

[PacoGator19]

No, I clearly understand the difference, I’m just sick of the Kirby bashing from gator fans. The gator fans I know have definitely crowned Mullen. I’d rather take a wait and see approach with him. I think he’s going to do good things at Florida but, I just don’t think he’ll have the success urban and spurrier had.

If he’s as good as they think, he’ll beat Kirby this year.

You are on a Gator fan message board. Go back to your board and you can praise Kirby all you want. You sound like a whiny baby! I’m sick of all the Kirby bashing from UF fans. Really?