What school will Treon transfer to in the spring...

[oozie7]

You have a bad habit of telling people you're giving "facts" and then proceeding to give your opinion. This post of yours is a good example.

So it's factual than Treon is the worst QB in the country because you think he's the worst you've seen? Here's fact, he's not statistically the worst QB in the country. So it's opinion mixed with fact. You guys live in a vacuum and aren't in tune with how many poor performing QB's are out there. On a per game basis, there are worse QB's. Another fact is that he's also not the least talented, and probably would be in the top half of QB talents as evidenced by his offers coming out and the fact that he has the ability to play multiple positions (his offers from some schools also speak to that). None of those FCS QB's you guys think he couldn't start over had those offers. Likewise with numerous QB's at the D-1 level. So it's fact they're less talented, at least when they came out. You're welcome to find me a list of all the players across the country, specifically QB's, who have offers from numerous BCS programs to play multiple positions from QB to WR to DB though. And when you do proceed to make a logical argument that they aren't talented. A coach would laugh you out the room

 

[oozie7]

Here's a perfect example, he's 74th in the country in QBR which takes into account value points added passing, rushing, and and combined with raw QB rating then it's adjusted for schedule. So there's a minimum of 52 QB's in D-1 who are worse. And that's not even taking into account FCS QB's. Yea...there's that logic and 'opinion' thing again.

 

[oozie7]

Here's more fact. Behind him in QBR are QB's who are starters on major teams. QB's like Christian Hackenburg at Penn St. who is projected as a 1st round pick. As is WVU's starting QB Howard and Cardale Jones...you know the guy that won OSU a title a year ago. Like I've been saying, you guys live in a vacuum. He's a bad QB but nowhere near the worst ever as you guys like to portray and certainly capable of playing at a lesser level against worse competition where he can out athlete teams.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Here's a perfect example, he's 74th in the country in QBR which takes into account value points added passing, rushing, and and combined with raw QB rating then it's adjusted for schedule. So there's a minimum of 52 QB's in D-1 who are worse. And that's not even taking into account FCS QB's. Yea...there's that logic and 'opinion' thing again.

So, even though it is a bit hyperbolic to call him the worst QB in a D-1. He is a LOT closer to being the worst than he is to being the best. Or even in the top 20.

 

[oozie7]

So, even though it is a bit hyperbolic to call him the worst QB in a D-1. He is a LOT closer to being the worst than he is to being the best. Or even in the top 20.

In D-1, yes. In FCS, no. Before Bama he was mid 60's which puts him squarely in the 'average' category factually. Not the point though. Bay thought it was 'presumptuous' to believe he could transfer elsewhere and start. That's ridiculous on the surface just playing the numbers game alone. Like I keep saying, a lot of people watch these games in a vacuum. We see our guys every weekend so we judge them way more harshly than what the facts usually show. That's basically what's happening here.

 

[EvilWayz]

His brother is a DB. That is what Treon needs to try. He's not a QB.

You made me spit out most of a perfectly good Klondike bar, you sumbitch.

 

[Countygator]

Everyone is entitled to opinion, but I think one thing we can all agree is that he is not the answer at QB.

 

[BayAreaGator]

So it's factual than Treon is the worst QB in the country because you think he's the worst you've seen? Here's fact, he's not statistically the worst QB in the country. So it's opinion mixed with fact. You guys live in a vacuum and aren't in tune with how many poor performing QB's are out there. On a per game basis, there are worse QB's. Another fact is that he's also not the least talented, and probably would be in the top half of QB talents as evidenced by his offers coming out and the fact that he has the ability to play multiple positions (his offers from some schools also speak to that). None of those FCS QB's you guys think he couldn't start over had those offers. Likewise with numerous QB's at the D-1 level. So it's fact they're less talented, at least when they came out. You're welcome to find me a list of all the players across the country, specifically QB's, who have offers from numerous BCS programs to play multiple positions from QB to WR to DB though. And when you do proceed to make a logical argument that they aren't talented. A coach would laugh you out the room

1. No, oozie. (le sigh. Here we go. pay attention this time so I don't read another post of yours arguing against a position I did not take) I did not state, nor have I ever stated that Treon is in "fact" the worst QB in the country. Unlike in your posts, you won't see that word in mine. It's my opinion. It's my opinion. YOU are the one who constantly types the word 'fact" and then proceeds to lay out what's so plainly opinion....doing so in your oh so nauseating, condescending, lecturing style. You have an undying determination to try to take to task anyone who comes down strong on Treon's play while constantly castigating others who don't share your disdain for Nuss and thus won't put him in the crosshairs like you have. I'd love to be able to go back and see if you treated Driskel or Brantley like they were overly-message board-abused UF QBs, like you so passionately do Treon Harris.

2. You talk about others making decisions about Treon in a vacuum. The irony is, no one on this board is a bigger "slave to numbers" than you.

3. You continue to use "offers" and what colleges thought about Treon coming out of HS to support your arguments for Treon > other QBs across the country. What college coaches thought Treon was coming out of HS, how "talented" college coaches thought Treon was coming out of HS is of NO SIGNIFICANCE NOW.

 

[46885]

"Treon Harris threw the ball 54 more times than Will Grier and only had 5 more completions on the season."

 

[NavigatorII]

"Treon Harris threw the ball 54 more times than Will Grier and only had 5 more completions on the season."

I don't for a minute think Oozie thinks Harris is a good QB nor has he said that. He's not the worst in college football, we can all agree on that. He however can't compete at UF on this level against our competition. He isn't good, that's a given. For that matter, Coker from Bama isn't very good either but better than Harris. It won't be hard to upgrade this position with a true freshman star, but there will be growing pains for damn sure. It's a damn shame how we got into this mess due to the Grier drama. We could be off and running wide open again.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Guessing an FCS school that runs the ball a lot...sadgator is looking forward to wishing him the best of luck in his future endeavors...

You're such a butthead.

No appreciation WHATSOEVER for this kid who played hard for the Gators doing what he was told ("avoid running the ball as we have no back up for you" as just one example) for the betterment of the team.

Nope.

Just winning. That's all that matters.

Loyalty and appreciation for your team?

Nope.

Just winning.

Y'all are a bunch of damned front runners and you make me sick.

 

[oozie7]

1. No, oozie. (le sigh. Here we go. pay attention this time so I don't read another post of yours arguing against a position I did not take) I did not state, nor have I ever stated that Treon is in "fact" the worst QB in the country. Unlike in your posts, you won't see that word in mine. It's my opinion. It's my opinion. YOU are the one who constantly types the word 'fact" and then proceeds to lay out what's so plainly opinion....doing so in your oh so nauseating, condescending, lecturing style. You have an undying determination to try to take to task anyone who comes down strong on Treon's play while constantly castigating others who don't share your disdain for Nuss and thus won't put him in the crosshairs like you have. I'd love to be able to go back and see if you treated Driskel or Brantley like they were overly-message board-abused UF QBs, like you so passionately do Treon Harris.

2. You talk about others making decisions about Treon in a vacuum. The irony is, no one on this board is a bigger "slave to numbers" than you.

3. You continue to use "offers" and what colleges thought about Treon coming out of HS to support your arguments for Treon > other QBs across the country. What college coaches thought Treon was coming out of HS, how "talented" college coaches thought Treon was coming out of HS is of NO SIGNIFICANCE NOW.

Don't play dumb. You've stated in game threads and other random threads that you think he's the worst Gator QB you've ever seen. You also stated in another tread he's the worst QB you've seen on your TV this year. And you've cosigned multiple posts talking about how horrible he is.

Two, I'm not a slave to numbers. Whenever I point out things actually happening on the field people like you dismiss them as 'excuses' for Treon and how it's just my opinion. But then when the numbers back up my opinion and I use them all of a sudden I'm a slave to numbers, maybe you should make up your mind? When I don't use numbers it's just my opinion and I'm 'blind' and every UF fan disagrees with me, but when I use numbers I'm a slave to them. K. Let me know how you want me to disprove all your incorrect assumptions so that I can post in a way that pleases you from now on.

Third, once again taking something out of context. You've argued throughout the season that he isn't very talented. The entire point of using his offers as a point of reference is that not many athletes are handed out scholarships to multiple schools to play multiple positions, untalented players don't get those opportunities. You still can't separate talent from performance, the two aren't the same. And uh, yea. I've already proved to you that even NOW there are many more worse QB's around the country, so idk what your point is.

 

[TAYLOR1027]

You're such a butthead.

No appreciation WHATSOEVER for this kid who played hard for the Gators doing what he was told ("avoid running the ball as we have no back up for you" as just one example) for the betterment of the team.

Nope.

Just winning. That's all that matters.

Loyalty and appreciation for your team?

Nope.

Just winning.

Y'all are a bunch of damned front runners and you make me sick.

So you have never said one bad thing about Treon? Just because we all say that he did not turn out to be a good QB doesn't mean we don't appreciate him. It could of been a lot worse, he could of lost every game, but the kid makes the same mistakes over and over. Sure he had some good plays but he had a ton more bad plays. I think most everybody is loyal to the team, but it will be hard to find somebody loyal to Treon. You cant say you are loyal to him either, if you were you would be saying that you think he should be the start for next year too.

 

[sadgator]

You're such a butthead.

Takes one to know one. Nany nany boo boo.

And sadgator never said he didn't appreciate Treon's effort. He is just the worst quarterback that sadgator has ever seen at any level of competitive football. sadgator will continue to root for Treon's success wherever he winds up or in whatever career path he chooses.

 

[sadgator]

"Treon Harris threw the ball 54 more times than Will Grier and only had 5 more completions on the season."

The argument should cease at this moment. Simply incredible.

 

[oozie7]

That could certainly work, and it might even be what's best for him, but I doubt that his ego would let him go in that direction...

He wants to switch positions, it's coming out now. What has given you any indication he has an ego? Or are you just ASSuming again?

 

[instaGATOR]

This is this weeks peek at those that I have on ignore.

Teron has any ego, every D1 starting QB does. Are you new?

You however, appear to be as dumb as a rock.

Don't bother, I'm back to ignoring you....

 

[oozie7]

LOL. Are you not entertained!?

 

[HardeeWildcatFan]

Just curious, the NCAA doesn't pee test for Drugs? Or is that at the college level? Why test for one type and not the other whenever the worse one is illegal. Isn't that right Treon? In the NFL substance gets you banned or benched for a season but in the NCAA they may get a 1 game suspension. How much you want to bet that if Grier, if staying, could in fact win in court. You cannot not punish for illegal drugs but do punish like they did for PEDS. Treon has done worse and he's still wearing the uniform. Yes I am against the old mary jane but not for medical uses.

 

[oozie7]

Because weed doesn't enhance performance, that's the logic. And I mean really, if your standard was applied to college football there probably aren't a lot of teams who would come close to fielding a full 85. It's the same reason a sprinter is banned from the sport for a year for a PED and can toke up at their leisure, it isn't complicated.