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getting a head coaching job at a major football program next year. He's an average head coach. His teams have good offenses but atrocious on defense. His best years were a few good years at West Virginia in the lousy Big East conference. He's probably better suited as an offensive coordinator.
 
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He sure has made the most of a dominating 1st half in the 2006 Sugar Bowl and a couple of close losses to some decent Miami teams.
 
Didn't he take Zona to a BCS game last year? Y'all are letting Michi's ramblings cloud your judgement of a good coach. I believe he is one of 5 coaches to have taken two different schools to a BCS game. Those coaches are Saban, Meyer, Brian Kelly, Petrino, and himself. That's pretty elite company. And it's not as if he's been at any powerhouse schools. He's a damn good coach. Zona is Zona, they have a ceiling and it isn't that high.
 
No he's an average coach that does decent at times with mediocre programs.

He was at Michigan. That is a powerhouse school and he got fired from the only big time job he's ever had. His teams play ZERO defense.

Mediocre programs fit his style/persona/personality better.
 
An average coach doesn't accomplish what he's accomplished, otherwise more coaches would have done that. The Michigan gig had a lot of inner turmoil that's been written about to infinity, Bruce Feldman covered it very well. Ain't that simple. He was sabotaged from the word go.
 
oozie7 said:
An average coach doesn't accomplish what he's accomplished, otherwise more coaches would have done that. The Michigan gig had a lot of inner turmoil that's been written about to infinity, Bruce Feldman covered it very well. Ain't that simple. He was sabotaged from the word go.
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What has he accomplished that has been so great? Won the crappy Big East a few times. I just don't think he's any better than an average coach that the best spot for him is average to mediocre football programs. If he could get his teams to play a lick of defense my opinion would possibly change.
 
PacoGator19 said:
What has he accomplished that has been so great? Won the crappy Big East a few times. I just don't think he's any better than an average coach that the best spot for him is average to mediocre football programs. If he could get his teams to play a lick of defense my opinion would possibly change.
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Kind of like Meyer who won the "crappy Mountain West" once. Clearly the guy couldn't coach.
 
GatorGray said:
Kind of like Meyer who won the "crappy Mountain West" once. Clearly the guy couldn't coach.
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Meyer has gone on to coach at two big time football programs and won 3 national titles. Rich Rod went on to Michigan and got fired. Big big difference between Rich Rod and Meyer. Meyer also showed at Utah and Bowling Green that he valued all phases of the game (offense/defense/STs). Rich Rod could give two craps about defense.
 
I've already mentioned what he's accomplished. He's done something only 5 other coaches in the game have done, and he's done it at shitty football schools. Perspective is needed. You consider Saban the best coach in the game right? What was he doing at Michigan State? 6-5, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, etc. Why couldn't he win at a shitty school if it's so easy to do?
 
GatorGray said:
Kind of like Meyer who won the "crappy Mountain West" once. Clearly the guy couldn't coach.
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oozie7 said:
I've already mentioned what he's accomplished. He's done something only 5 other coaches in the game have done, and he's done it at shitty football schools. Perspective is needed. You consider Saban the best coach in the game right? What was he doing at Michigan State? 6-5, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, etc. Why couldn't he win at a shitty school if it's so easy to do?
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No I consider Meyer the best coach in the game. However Saban has since gone on and won a national title at LSU and Bama. Again Rich Rod went to Michigan and for the axe. I don't think Rich Rod is a coach for a big time football program.
 
That's where we disagree. I don't think he's anywhere as good as Michi makes him out to be, but had he gone to Bama instead of Michigan I believe people would view him completely different. He was not a fit at Michigan personally or professionally. It was a terrible move. He's been really good all factors considered everywhere but there. He's supposedly gonna take the VT gig though and if he keeps Foster I think he'll be very successful there.
 
Paco, You consider Meyer one of the top coaches because of what he accomplishes AFTER his success in a lower conference...the SAME metric you used to minimize RR's accomplishments. Oozie is correct, Michigan was dysfunctional (to say the least) while RR was there. To use that to evaluate him is silly.
 
GatorGray said:
Paco, You consider Meyer one of the top coaches because of what he accomplishes AFTER his success in a lower conference...the SAME metric you used to minimize RR's accomplishments. Oozie is correct, Michigan was dysfunctional (to say the least) while RR was there. To use that to evaluate him is silly.
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of course. To be considered a great coach don't you need to win on the biggest stage. Meyer and Saban have done that. Rich Rod has not.
 
To talk about his time at Michigan is ridiculous, not Saban, Meyer or anyone would have had success based on what he was dealing with.

Now, its funny, because Paco was all about guys like Todd Graham ay ASU who won in a crappy Big East and now has an occasional good year since leaving? But he is OK, why? Because his QB does what a traditional QB does? Because they certainly don't play defense.

Or better yet PACO, look at the guy you were obsessed with, Gundy. 2-3 decent years in an 11 year career. What has he accomplished? His defense is worse than Arizonas.

But yea Pele, your guys are soooooo much better. By the way did you see that sweet performance by Fulwood yesterday? Neither did anyone else.
 
PacoGator19 said:
of course. To be considered a great coach don't you need to win on the biggest stage. Meyer and Saban have done that. Rich Rod has not.
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The point is, he has not been on the big stage, other than his short tenure at dysfunctional Michigan. To put it in perspective, they were as dysfunctional then as Texas is now. No one could succeed in such an environment. To succeed at the highest levels, everyone has to be pulling in the same direction.

I'm not one that thinks RR is the end all be all, but he is a very good coach and would win a LOT of games at an SEC school.
 
Michi-Gator said:
To talk about his time at Michigan is ridiculous, not Saban, Meyer or anyone would have had success based on what he was dealing with.

Now, its funny, because Paco was all about guys like Todd Graham ay ASU who won in a crappy Big East and now has an occasional good year since leaving? But he is OK, why? Because his QB does what a traditional QB does? Because they certainly don't play defense.

Or better yet PACO, look at the guy you were obsessed with, Gundy. 2-3 decent years in an 11 year career. What has he accomplished? His defense is worse than Arizonas.

But yea Pele, your guys are soooooo much better. By the way did you see that sweet performance by Fulwood yesterday? Neither did anyone else.
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Not sure what you mean by my obsession with Gundy. But I will say this Gundy has a better win percentage and a better bowl record and more bowl victories than Rich Rod. I think Gundy is a pretty good coach. Not great coach but pretty good. And I do think Gundy is better than Rich Rod.
 
oozie7 said:
Didn't he take Zona to a BCS game last year? Y'all are letting Michi's ramblings cloud your judgement of a good coach. I believe he is one of 5 coaches to have taken two different schools to a BCS game. Those coaches are Saban, Meyer, Brian Kelly, Petrino, and himself. That's pretty elite company. And it's not as if he's been at any powerhouse schools. He's a damn good coach. Zona is Zona, they have a ceiling and it isn't that high.
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You have a better chance to do that if you move around a lot.
 
Especially if you have or take a gig in the post-ACC expansion Big East. Yes, I believe WVU was co-champs in 2003 with Miami (but lost to the Canes head-to-head). But that outright title came after Miami, VT, and BC had all left.

Spurrier only ever got one team to a BCS Bowl, but would put him quite a bit ahead of RR, Petrino, Kelly. Not to say they aren't good to some level or another, just wouldn't consider them as good as SOS.
 
PacoGator19 said:
What has he accomplished that has been so great? Won the crappy Big East a few times. I just don't think he's any better than an average coach that the best spot for him is average to mediocre football programs. If he could get his teams to play a lick of defense my opinion would possibly change.
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Well hiring "Gerg" Robinson as your DC will certainly keep you awful on defense.
 
Rich Rod doesn't even have a better winning percentage than Gundy. He also has less bowl wins and a worse bowl record than Gundy.
 
Did Rich Rod retire? Why are we talking about him as if he will never accomplish anything further? I give him credit for accomplishing what he did in WV and Zona with very limited resources, and he gets an asterisk on his failing grade at meatchicken. Oozie already said he isn't an elite coach, but he is a good coach, and I do not even see why that is a disagreeable point.
 
oozie7 said:
That's where we disagree. I don't think he's anywhere as good as Michi makes him out to be, but had he gone to Bama instead of Michigan I believe people would view him completely different. He was not a fit at Michigan personally or professionally. It was a terrible move. He's been really good all factors considered everywhere but there. He's supposedly gonna take the VT gig though and if he keeps Foster I think he'll be very successful there.
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Had he gone to Bama insread of Mivhigan Foley would have hired him years ago.......
 
PacoGator19 said:
getting a head coaching job at a major football program next year. He's an average head coach. His teams have good offenses but atrocious on defense. His best years were a few good years at West Virginia in the lousy Big East conference. He's probably better suited as an offensive coordinator.
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He apparently is being considered for the Virginia Tech job, but that's not exactly a "major football program".
 
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