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Was Jesus Christ woke?

It's thou shalt not murder.

And life beginning at conception is a Christian belief and value. So it applies to both of you, but not everyone.
Please don't attempt to debate me on when life begins. It's a Christian belief because it is a fact of nature. If you can tell me when life begins other than at conception, I'd certainly begin worshiping you instead of Jesus Christ.
 
Ah, thanks for giving me your background. I have a lengthy theological background and biblical studies out to a doctorate. So a lot of education. My regret in our country is how poorly equipped both Protestant and Catholic, denominational and independents alike are under- or poorly educated. That weakness has produced multiple generations of earnest Christians who are gullible targets of persuaders with all sorts of aims. Usually self-serving. On the conservative side it is being lockstep with the GOP, right now essentially under adherence to only one man. On the liberal side the Christians involved seem to me less zealous politically in terms of their faith but just as captive to the Democrats. Both parties aim to keep adherents defining the other side as “enemies”.

To learn to think biblically requires a lot of work, but it’s essential for developing a distinctively “Christian world and life view” which transcends being a Republican, a Democrat, a socialist or a capitalist.

In our connection to the Global Church the biggest and most rapidly growing threat is the American “health and wealth gospel” with its empty promises. Joel Osteen js perhaps its most famous personality. It is bankrupting impoverished people in what we’ve called Third World countries. In those regions Christian conversions are outpacing birth rates. But wholistic biblical teaching is hardly available whether Protestant, Pentecostal, Catholic, Orthodox or Copt.

So our organization entirely focuses on enabling aspiring Christian scholars in those countries to be educated to Ph.Ds in Old and New Testament studies, biblical theology and so forth. We serve without distinction these emerging scholars whatever kind of church they know. They wind up teaching. Then we publish their books using printing firms in their countries. And we run training programs for clergy because only about 6% have any formal education. For instance, we’re bringing out the second edition of our Africa Bible Commentary, all 70-80 scholars African from evrrywhere. It was the first commentary on the Bible by African scholars in the history of the continent.

I’m a supporter, not on staff. My point in this is that they have on the whole a very distinctive and different Christian prospective than you find among many, many Christians in the USA. We have support centers on every continent. Each year a bunch of us meet in a four-day conference to listen to them and worship together. They teach us! We were in Scottsdale last spring and at Amelia Island this year.

As for Old and New Testament differences, it has to do with fulfillment. Over and over tge writers talk about Jesus’ actions, teachings and suffering “in order to fulfill what the Scriptures said…” it means literally that Jesus filled to the full measure the Old Testament promises.

Jesus talked far more about the realities of hell than heaven, quoting the OT, warning people that every life has ending consequences. The OT and NT are not in conflict. But Jesus perfectly fulfills obedience to God that Israel in the OT, and each one of us, failed or now fail to do. That’s why both Isaiah and the apostles John, Paul and Peter declare that our “sin” and its consequences were laid on him. He died for me! You’ve got to understand the OT through its New Testament lens. But you it’s vital to embrace both.

I hope that helps. PM me if you wish. Tell me what you think.

With every good wish!
Good stuff right there!!
 
Please don't attempt to debate me on when life begins. It's a Christian belief because it is a fact of nature. If you can tell me when life begins other than at conception, I'd certainly begin worshiping you instead of Jesus Christ.
If it can't survive on its own, it's not done yet.
 
whether an unborn child can survive on its own does not define when life starts
Maybe for you. half a baby ain't a baby.

Regardless, I'm more than tired of people foisting their religions bs on me. If abortion is against your religion, don't get one. If it's not your baby it's none if your damn business.

Y'all are awful concerned about unborn children, how many children have you adopted?
 
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Maybe for you. half a baby ain't a baby.

Regardless, I'm more than tired of people foisting their religions bs on me. If abortion is against your religion, don't get one. If it's not your baby it's none if your damn business.

Y'all are awful concerned about unborn children, how many children have you adopted?
Partially true, yes the religious nut jobs are annoying and completely full of crap. But we stop crimes even when its none of our business. i dont think abortion is a crime if done early, but at some point it turns into murder, thats just common sense. if you want an aborion, get one in the first 3 months or so. thats plenty of time..
 
Re: adoption. Does @LordofallSocks have any grasp of how difficult it is now and has been for five decades to adopt a child? Why do you think American couples spend years and phenomenal sums of monies to adopt from other nations? It’s easy for you to cast aspersions at others about something you obviously haven’t researched.
I have a very good idea I worked for DCF.

The fact remains Justice Barrett puts her money where her mouth is.
 
I debated him and won on the first salvo....then I told him to go outside and practice falling down.
How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
 
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How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
 
How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
LOLOLOL You are a "grown up"? Tell me again about your formal education!! (it means ZERO to me, because schooling does not teach you life's lessons...and it shines bright with you)
 
How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
I have never threatened ANYONE on the internet, son. But if you need a safe space...you can ask one of the other sissy libs on here...I am SURE they have some.
 
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If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and pay attention to his actions he was definitely woke. Probably the first woke individual in history . So if you are anti-woke, are you anti-Christ? Call me a snowflake...actually that is a complement. All snowflakes are unique. Call me woke. I do follow the teachings and the examples of Christ. Where does that leave you MAGA cultists? I am not here to judge, that is all up to the Big Guy when you die. Good luck you mindless drones.
First off, you used the wrong verb tense because Christians believe the Jesus lives eternally; hence your use of the verb “was” is not appropriate.

Second, in my view Jesus is neither liberal or conservative. Jesus would undoubtedly praise and condemn all sides of the political divide for their respective world views.

Bottom line….. your post isn’t the win you think it is.
 
Maybe for you. half a baby ain't a baby.

Regardless, I'm more than tired of people foisting their religions bs on me. If abortion is against your religion, don't get one. If it's not your baby it's none if your damn business.

Y'all are awful concerned about unborn children, how many children have you adopted?
And I am more than tired of ID 10 T's who think it is okay to KILL an unborn baby
 
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How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
goldie- you really need to look in the. mirror before you call others names - and quit pussing out
 
And I am more than tired of ID 10 T's who think it is okay to KILL and unborn baby
I neither request nor require your approval, and further, I don't give a rats ass what you or Jesus thinks about it. When you inject religious beliefs into law they are unconstitutional. If you want to live in Christian country, I hear the Vatican is nice. Judeo Christian values does not equal a theocracy, that's why 70 percent of the ten commandments aren't law. If abortion is against your religion then don't have one. Otherwise mind your damn business

If GenZ and A are any indication, we need MORE abortions, not less to clean out the gene pool.

Kneeler. :p
 
I neither request nor require your approval, and further, I don't give a rats ass what you or Jesus thinks about it. When you inject religious beliefs into law they are unconstitutional. If you want to live in Christian country, I hear the Vatican is nice. Judeo Christian values does not equal a theocracy, that's why 70 percent of the ten commandments aren't law. If abortion is against your religion then don't have one. Otherwise mind your damn business

If GenZ and A are any indication, we need MORE abortions, not less to clean out the gene pool.

Kneeler. :p
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If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and pay attention to his actions he was definitely woke. Probably the first woke individual in history . So if you are anti-woke, are you anti-Christ? Call me a snowflake...actually that is a complement. All snowflakes are unique. Call me woke. I do follow the teachings and the examples of Christ. Where does that leave you MAGA cultists? I am not here to judge, that is all up to the Big Guy when you die. Good luck you mindless drones.
No he was not woke. He overturned the globalist tables and shamed them from the temple. What a maroooooooooooooooon! (and it rhymes with moon).

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Maybe for you. half a baby ain't a baby.

Regardless, I'm more than tired of people foisting their religions bs on me. If abortion is against your religion, don't get one. If it's not your baby it's none if your damn business.

Y'all are awful concerned about unborn children, how many children have you adopted?
We have adopted a child. We couldn't have children of our own. And to your concept of what constitutes a baby, what if one is born without arms or legs? Or has a genetic defect? Is it not a baby? Does it not have a soul? Please don't argue this point. Please consider this notion that the baby cannot be asked if it wants to die before breathing air. When you were born, did you have to depend upon your mother and father to nurture you? Or were you able to feed yourself? Did you come out of your mother's womb completely developed into an adult standing let's say 5'10"? Did you weight 200 pounds? So there's development outside of the womb? Wow, what a concept. Bones continue to grow at growth plates. The brain continues to form as well as body functions. Neurologically, you don't continue to poop and pee in a diaper, right? Shall I continue?
 
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We have adopted a child. We couldn't have children of our own. And to your concept of what constitutes a baby, what if one is born without arms or legs? Or has a genetic defect? Is it not a baby? Does it not have a soul?
This is where you and I differ. There's a thing called quality of life. I believe a baby with no arms or legs is better off not being born. Same with genetic defects, depending on how severe. I don't believe in souls so thats moot. You need to understand that not every religion has the same reverence for life yours does. My religion says that until a fetus is viable, with or without extraordinary measures, its not a baby. My religion says a woman grown to breeding age is more important than a child who hasnt been born yet.


Please don't argue this point. Please consider this notion that the baby cannot be asked if it wants to die before breathing air.
Im not arguing the point. Im curious though, where do you think aborted babies go when they die? I would think straight to heaven, which is the endgame of your religion, no?
When you were born, did you have to depend upon your mother and father to nurture you? Or were you able to feed yourself? Did you come out of your mother's womb completely developed into an adult standing let's say 5'10"? Did you weight 200 pounds? So there's development outside of the womb? Wow, what a concept. Bones continue to grow at growth plates. The brain continues to form as well as body functions. Neurologically, you don't continue to poop and pee in a diaper, right? Shall I continue?
Irrelevant.

Props to you and Justive Barrett for being true believers and continuing to care about life after birth.

I bet you don't keep kosher, or halaal. Or not eat beef because cows are sacred?

Why? Because you aren't a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, those rules don't apply to you.

Not everyone believes that life begins at concept or killing a developing fetus is murder. Is it ending a life? Absolutely, and it seems to me that's between them and whatever God they worship.

Im beginning to think grandhaven is right, being rigid on this issue is a dog. I think first trimester and exceptions for life of the mother, incest, rape and severe genetic defects is the way to go.

If you don't like it tough, I'm not the only one.
 
. I believe a baby with no arms or legs is better off not being born. My religion says that until a fetus is viable, with or without extraordinary measures, its not a baby. My religion says a woman grown to breeding age is more important than a child who hasnt been born yet.


Does not matter what YOU believe or what your religion is...we follow laws..or we are supposed to



Im not arguing the point. Im curious though, where do you think aborted babies go when they die? I would think straight to heaven, which is the endgame of your religion, no?

Irrelevant.

Props to you and Justive Barrett for being true believers and continuing to care about life after birth.

I bet you don't keep kosher, or halaal. Or not eat beef because cows are sacred?

Why? Because you aren't a Jew, or a Muslim, or a Hindu, those rules don't apply to you.

Not everyone believes that life begins at concept or killing a developing fetus is murder. Is it ending a life? Absolutely, and it seems to me that's between them and whatever God they worship.

Im beginning to think grandhaven is right, being rigid on this issue is a dog. I think first trimester and exceptions for life of the mother, incest, rape and severe genetic defects is the way to go.

If you don't like it tough, I'm not the only one.
 
damnit Ron you've been here long enough to know how to quote.

"Does not matter what YOU believe or what your religion is...we follow laws..or we are supposed to"

Thank you. So you agree that a law based on the Christian notion that life begins at conception and and that abortion is murder is an example of the government favoring that religion over others is a violation of the first amendment and therefore invalid on constitutional grounds?
 
I neither request nor require your approval, and further, I don't give a rats ass what you or Jesus thinks about it. When you inject religious beliefs into law they are unconstitutional. If you want to live in Christian country, I hear the Vatican is nice. Judeo Christian values does not equal a theocracy, that's why 70 percent of the ten commandments aren't law. If abortion is against your religion then don't have one. Otherwise mind your damn business

If GenZ and A are any indication, we need MORE abortions, not less to clean out the gene pool.

Kneeler. :p
you may think this is funny but ethnic cleansing is never something that should be posted in trying to be funny
 
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you may think this is funny but ethnic cleansing is never something that should be posted in trying to be funny
That's not ethnic cleansing, jackass.

Further just because you have no sense of humor doesn't mean it's not funny and you assume I was joking.

I'm just fine with genocide if it's the right people. For example if the Israelis scour every last Palestinian from the skin of the earth, that's be fine by me.
 
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How, by calling me a nut job? Or saying you wouldn't use Jesus in your debates? If you call this a win no wonder you think the Orange Idiot won the last election.
Not only are you a jerk, but not a very smart one.
And do you want me to practice falling down because you are threatening me?
You call yourself a follower of Christ's teachings, but in this thread alone you have:
Called someone an idiot, a jerk and mindless drones.
You also consistently bear false witness not only this thread but others. Here is one example:
"Your hive wants to cut food stamps, deny healthcare to the poor and make rich people richer, how Christian."

You may say you are a follower of Christ's teachings, but you surely do not exhibit those traits.
 
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Anyone else notice (I know the answer) that Mt. Dora pulls likes to throw hand grenades from the cheap seats? Never sticks around to answer the tough questions. I want to put him on ignore, but he makes such obtuse statements it's hard to resist zapping him.
 
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