Wait...25% of US covid deaths have happened in the 10 weeks since Hiden took office?

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Not saying they lie. I’m not sticking up for CNN but to say CNN is lying and biased but OAN is not is wrong.

No one said OAN wasn't biased. You can still be biased and tell the truth

CNN is biased and they lie. The New York Times is biased, and they lie. The Washington Post is biased and they lie.

I see examples of OAN being biased every time I watch them. I have yet to catch them in a lie, though.

Have you?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If you believe in all the reporting from one of those news sources then you are what you accuse me of.

I don't blindly believe any news source. And I hope you don't either.

 

[BSC911]

It's not worth it. He's intentionally dishonest and obtuse. I have much, much more enjoyable ways to waste time than to debate anything with him.

But to your point, the puppy dogging around the forum looking for attention is sorta sad. I've seen it once before on Scoop, and it's painful to watch.

You don’t even know what the word obtuse means.

 

[BillCutting4585]

I am truly enjoying the fact that fry cuck has lied so often that nobody even acknowledges him anymore.

🤫🤫🤫

Let him keep going

 

[BamaFan1137]

To think it was an attack on Biden is justified because that is all you do. But you did clarify it is an attack on the media which is true.
I will ask again: where do I find unbiased media? Not CNN, Fox or ONN.

Diversify.

 

[BCSpell]

Well every COVID death under Trump was apparently his fault according to people like you

QUESTION: For the people who die from covid, how long after getting covid do you die? A few days? A few weeks? A month? A few months? Biden's COVID plan has been in action for 2.5 months now. Shouldn't all of the deaths have stopped by now?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

QUESTION: For the people who die from covid, how long after getting covid do you die? A few days? A few weeks? A month? A few months? Biden's COVID plan has been in action for 2.5 months now. Shouldn't all of the deaths have stopped by now?

Pres Trump got covid, and 48 hours later he was fine. Hell 91 year old Bobby Bowden got it and was fine after a few days.

The sad irony of the last year is, we have so many emotional libs that have lived the last year thinking if they got within 10 mins of someone with covid, that they could die.

The reality is, these emotional dems have done far more damage to their long-term health via pure stress from worrying than they likely would have ever faced from actually getting covid.

 

[G8trDad3]

No worries. Only 550,000 dead. It’s just like the flu. Nobody really suffers. No families really mourned loved ones. Don’t get emotional.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

No worries. Only 550,000 dead. It’s just like the flu. Nobody really suffers. No families really mourned loved ones. Don’t get emotional.

800k babies murdered a year from abortion. When do you plan on getting emotional about that?

 

[BamaFan1137]

No worries. Only 550,000 dead. It’s just like the flu. Nobody really suffers. No families really mourned loved ones. Don’t get emotional.

Just wait until we get an accurate count from New York retirement homes, right?

 

[G8trDad3]

800k babies murdered a year from abortion. When do you plan on getting emotional about that?

I am not pro abortion. You are deflecting from the argument because you have no answer. Thousands die from gun related violence, also. When will you plan to get emotional about that? (And btw, I support the second amendment. Assault weapons is another story.)

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I am not pro abortion. You are deflecting from the argument because you have no answer. Thousands die from gun related violence, also. When will you plan to get emotional about that? (And btw, I support the second amendment. Assault weapons is another story.)

I have an answer, you don't want to hear it. People die every year from the flu.

How many people died last year from suicide? Maybe you should google that. Hint: A lot, and almost all of the increase was due to stress over the lockdowns. Curious how fans of the lockdown never want to talk about the mental health impact of their actions. Same thing with gun control, they never want to address the mental health aspect, because they don't care. If they did, they would be outraged about dozens of people killed every weekend in Chicago.

Where is your emotion over that? An emotional response doesn't fit the narrative, right?

We locked down over the flu, because emotional liberals said we were all going to die if we didn't. And when the smoke cleared, we had the same number of total deaths in 2020 as we did in 2019 and the years prior.

Do you have an answer for how that happened? Because I think I do.

 

[G8trDad3]

First, I don’t know where you got your info but the deaths in 2020 were 15% more than 2019.
I don’t know how many suicides are related to the lockdown. Even one is tragic.
Yes, mental illness needs to be better addressed in this country.
Nothing you say changes the massive death toll from the virus and the suffering. Don’t minimize the fact that many did not die but have been disabled by the disease.
I do not claim that lockdown was the best thing. However something needed to be done. To minimize the potential of the virus early on was a huge mistake.
IT IS NOT THE FLU!!!!

 

[BCSpell]

I am not pro abortion. You are deflecting from the argument because you have no answer. Thousands die from gun related violence, also. When will you plan to get emotional about that? (And btw, I support the second amendment. Assault weapons is another story.)

Now I am confused. Assault weapons, by definition are automatic firing waepons, say like a machine gun. They have been banned since the earlier 80's, I believe.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

IT IS NOT THE FLU!!!!

MY PANIC IS WARRANTED!

No, it isn't. This is just the flu. It's a new strain, a very contagious strain, but it's just the flu.

Your 15% increase is wrong and simple math proves it. We know that daily death totals in this country for 2020 and the previous few years has been around 2M a year. Google it if you don't know this.

We had what, around 450,000 deaths claimed for covid in 2020, right? So for your 15% number to be real, that would mean we had 3M deaths in 2019 to hit the 15% increase you are claiming.

That's not accurate.

Here IS a source for you: The CDC has confirmed that of those 550k deaths attributed to covid, only SIX PERCENT of those people died FROM covid.

Read that again. That means 94% of the deaths are people that died WITH covid who ALREADY HAD OTHER HEALTH ISSUES.

If you are elderly and with underlying health problems, as the vast majority of covid deaths were, then no shit your chances of dying from catching the flu are greatly increased.

800k babies a year murdered. Until you start worrying about them, miss me with your 'pain and suffering' nonsense.

This was a new flu strain that the dems weaponized to attack their political enemies.

If half a million Americans had to die to suicides and lose their life's savings and marriages.....meh.

They stole an election, which was all that mattered.

 

[G8trDad3]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7014e1-H.pdf

Per CDC they determine 91% of the deaths listed as Covid deaths were directly or indirectly due to Covid.
Per CDC It is stated that the death rate was 15% higher 2020 over 2019..
So if your elderly mom with early cancer, expected to live 5-10 more years died from Covid you would say “oh well, she was going to die anyway?”

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7014e1-H.pdf

Per CDC they determine 91% of the deaths listed as Covid deaths were directly or indirectly due to Covid.
Per CDC It is stated that the death rate was 15% higher 2020 over 2019..
So if your elderly mom with early cancer, expected to live 5-10 more years died from Covid you would say “oh well, she was going to die anyway?”

She would have died WITH covid in your scenario, not from.

This is how the media makes emotional thinkers panic. They hear 550k deaths and think they were all healthy people who the next day had covid and a day later were dead.

The media has NEVER explained the difference between dying WITH covid vs dying FROM. And it works both ways....plenty of gunshot victims or auto accident victims were found to have covid at the time of death, and that were listed as having died WITH covid, even though covid clearly had zip to do with their death.

Facts:

Per the CDC, only 6% of covid deaths came from people who had no underlying health issues and died FROM covid.

Covid has a 99.9% survival rate. Unless you are over 70 and WITH underlying health issues, you have almost a 100% chance of surviving covid.

Panic all you want. Wake me when you show the same emotional outrage over 800k dead babies a year.

 

[BCSpell]

She would have died WITH covid in your scenario, not from.

This is how the media makes emotional thinkers panic. They hear 550k deaths and think they were all healthy people who the next day had covid and a day later were dead.

The media has NEVER explained the difference between dying WITH covid vs dying FROM. And it works both ways....plenty of gunshot victims or auto accident victims were found to have covid at the time of death, and that were listed as having died WITH covid, even though covid clearly had zip to do with their death.

Facts:

Per the CDC, only 6% of covid deaths came from people who had no underlying health issues and died FROM covid.

Covid has a 99.9% survival rate. Unless you are over 70 and WITH underlying health issues, you have almost a 100% chance of surviving covid.

Panic all you want. Wake me when you show the same emotional outrage over 800k dead babies a year.

Also look at the # of people who die of a heart issue each year, or dies of cancer each year, or die from respitory related issues each year, and die from the flu each year. I would bet that those numbers are down for 2020 because so many of those deaths are grouped in with COVID.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Also look at the # of people who die of a heart issue each year, or dies of cancer each year, or die from respitory related issues each year, and die from the flu each year. I would bet that those numbers are down for 2020 because so many of those deaths are grouped in with COVID.

Contrast the MSM's panic porn over covid vs how they reacted during Swine Flu. CNN went on air and literally said "There is no reason to panic!'

What's the most at-risk group for covid? Really the ONLY at-risk group? People over 70 with underlying health conditions.

What was the most at-risk group for Swine Flu, does anyone remember? HEALTHY PRETEENS. For @G8trDad3 or any of those who love their fear porn about covid, google the number of PRETEENS that died from Swine Flu vs the number that have died from Covid.

PRETEENS were ravaged by Swine Flu, and it's almost impossible for the same group to catch covid.

And yet....the MSM told us no reason to panic over our babies dying, but OMG THE WORLD WILL END CAUSE COVID IS RAVAGING THE ELDERLY WHO ARE SICK!!!!!

Let's see....which pandemic warranted a panic:

A - The virus that ravages healthy preteens
B - The virus that ravages the oldest and sickest


Emotional thinkers are so easy to manipulate.

 

[G8trDad3]

You guys are so closed minded you can not see straight. I don’t expect to change your minds but I argue here so that some reading this may see that there are other points of view.
Please cite your source stating only 6% of the deaths were actually from Covid. I gave my source stating more than 90% of covid cited deaths were directly related to the infection.
Again, one may have a serious illness but if they contract Covid and die one or two years sooner than expected, that is a Covid death. That is a sad tragedy in my mind. But you seem to have less compassion for the frail elderly than the unborn child. Both groups are to be cherished.

 

[NavigatorII]

Not saying they lie. I’m not sticking up for CNN but to say CNN is lying and biased but OAN is not is wrong. I tend not to agree with either side that is always at the extremes. They all have an agenda, have to play towards their target audience. Are either “trustworthy?” You tell me. If you believe in all the reporting from one of those news sources then you are what you accuse me of.

I can't answer your question, but I'll tell when CNN's mouth is moving, they're lying. I'm not sure there is any unbiased source (and PBS, go fvck yourselves). There really isn't any REAL reporting anywhere anymore, it's all opinion. The major netcucks (CBS, NBC, ABC, etc) have been lying to us for years.......but CNN and MSNBC said "hold my beer and watch this!".

 

[G8trDad3]

I can't answer your question, but I'll tell when CNN's mouth is moving, they're lying. I'm not sure there is any unbiased source (and PBS, go fvck yourselves). There really isn't any REAL reporting anywhere anymore, it's all opinion. The major netcucks (CBS, NBC, ABC, etc) have been lying to us for years.......but CNN and MSNBC said "hold my beer and watch this!".

I agree with this. But what makes OAN or Fox not the same as the others?

 

[NavigatorII]

I agree with this. But what makes OAN or Fox not the same as the others?

I didn't say they did. They have differing opinions. Sometimes you just have to sort the bullshit out for yourself, and weigh the credibility resume of each. CNN and MSNBC are both less than zero. The truth is usually somewhere in between, that's why we have brains. But the sheep don't think, that's why they have shepherds.

 

[BillCutting4585]

I agree with this. But what makes OAN or Fox not the same as the others?

@G8trDad3 you’ve been on this board long enough and in these threads where we’ve shown you lie after lie after lie from the left. Right news sources lie all the time as well. This isn’t a what aboutism situation, both sides lie.

Instead of taking for granted that a certain news source is telling you the truth, change your mind set to they’re full of shit and start to question everything, even the same government agencies you rely on such as the CDC.

If you want pointers on how to navigate through it all then feel free to send me a direct message and I’ll elaborate further. I’m not going to tell you that you’ll find the truth in any topic but you’ll start to notice certain things from different news sources.

 

[BillCutting4585]

I agree with this. But what makes OAN or Fox not the same as the others?

@G8trDad3 you’ve been on this board long enough and in these threads where we’ve shown you lie after lie after lie from the left. Right news sources lie all the time as well. This isn’t a what aboutism situation, both sides lie.

Instead of taking for granted that a certain news source is telling you the truth, change your mind set to they’re full of shit and start to question everything, even the same government agencies you rely on such as the CDC.

If you want pointers on how to navigate through it all then feel free to send me a direct message and I’ll elaborate further. I’m not going to tell you that you’ll find the truth in any topic but you’ll start to notice certain things from different news sources.

 

[G8trDad3]

@G8trDad3 you’ve been on this board long enough and in these threads where we’ve shown you lie after lie after lie from the left. Right news sources lie all the time as well. This isn’t a what aboutism situation, both sides lie.

Instead of taking for granted that a certain news source is telling you the truth, change your mind set to they’re full of shit and start to question everything, even the same government agencies you rely on such as the CDC.

If you want pointers on how to navigate through it all then feel free to send me a direct message and I’ll elaborate further. I’m not going to tell you that you’ll find the truth in any topic but you’ll start to notice certain things from different news sources.

This I agree with.
I end up not trusting any specific news. That’s why I was asking.
I just seems like the majority here keep spouting the same arguments that one might only hear from the extreme right wing media.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Please cite your source stating only 6% of the deaths were actually from Covid.

I did. It's on the CDC website. I've linked to it at least 20 times over the last few months. Do a board search for 'covid 6%' and you will find them.

And besides me, it was the talk of the nation a few months ago when we found that key omission on the CDC site.

And yet....independent voter here has never heard the stat. Because the lefty media sources he gets his information from wouldn't dare report that. And of course, he's not going to research the claim now that he's heard it.

This is why sheep never learn anything.

Again, one may have a serious illness but if they contract Covid and die one or two years sooner than expected, that is a Covid death.

They died WITH covid, not from. Not sure why you can't understand the distinction.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I agree with this. But what makes OAN or Fox not the same as the others?

You said you didn't trust OAN. I asked you to give me a single example of OAN reporting a false story.

Still waiting...

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

That is a sad tragedy in my mind. But you seem to have less compassion for the frail elderly than the unborn child. Both groups are to be cherished.

I have no compassion for anyone that uses the death of others as a political weapon.

I have compassion for the innocent. Babies murdered via abortion. Troubled teenagers who committed suicide last year at an alarming rate. The frail elderly who contracted covid and who were then shoved in nurshing homes to infect other frail elderly so they all died.

Let me tell you a story: An elderly man and woman live together. The man leaves the house to go run some errands. While he is out, the woman trips and falls and breaks her hip. She is rushed to the hospital. Due to her existing medical complications, the fall was fatal. But she lived long enough to spend the night in the hospital.

Her family was told they could not see her. 'Covid precautions' they were told.

The frail elderly woman had to die alone in a hospital room. She didn't have covid, neither did her heartbroken family that couldn't see her.

I have compassion for all those that suffered and died. Some here seem to save their compassion only for those whose death could be weaponized to attack their political opponents.

Shame on them.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

@G8trDad3 you’ve been on this board long enough and in these threads where we’ve shown you lie after lie after lie from the left. Right news sources lie all the time as well. This isn’t a what aboutism situation, both sides lie.

And people that want the truth and who support honestly, stop listening to sources that lie to them.

We see the same posters here continuing to cite sources such as CNN, The Washington Post, the New York Times, MSNBC, the Brennan Center, Aaron Rupar.

All of these sources have been outted for lying.

Show me how OAN has lied, and I will ignore them just as I do any source that lies to me.

 

[BillCutting4585]

This I agree with.
I end up not trusting any specific news. That’s why I was asking.
I just seems like the majority here keep spouting the same arguments that one might only hear from the extreme right wing media.

Keep in mind that if you put a percentage on the news being heard from each side, it’s 85% dem/liberal to 15% rep/conservative. So if all you hear is 85% the same thing it makes the other 15% sound crazy. That’s why I cannot stress enough to not believe both sides, wait 48 to 72 hrs and usually the truth comes out.

For example, if the story is Trump kicked a baby, most would believe it since one party controls the news. 48-72 hrs later, Trump didn’t kick a baby And the story is squashed.

Here is a real life example. Boulder has a mass shooting, the left news labeled the shooter a white male. 48-72 hrs later, the truth is he’s of middle eastern decent, story goes away. Now isn’t that convenient knowing that Biden came out in the primaries about outlawing assault rifles and high capacity magazines. What EO was just passed with more on the way?

See the pattern?

 

[BamaFan1137]

Now I am confused. Assault weapons, by definition are automatic firing waepons, say like a machine gun. They have been banned since the earlier 80's, I believe.

That is incorrect. They can be automatic but the vast majority sold in the US (over 99% for sure) are semiautomatic.

 

[BillCutting4585]

And people that want the truth and who support honestly, stop listening to sources that lie to them.

We see the same posters here continuing to cite sources such as CNN, The Washington Post, the New York Times, MSNBC, the Brennan Center, Aaron Rupar.

All of these sources have been outted for lying.

Show me how OAN has lied, and I will ignore them just as I do any source that lies to me.

Couldn’t agree more

 

[BillCutting4585]

That is incorrect. They can be automatic but the vast majority sold in the US (over 99% for sure) are semiautomatic.

I hate the phrase “assault rifles”. Technically, any rifle is an assault rifle in the wrong hands. Pistols kill more people every year but we both know that.

 

[G8trDad3]

First hit on DUckDuckGo:

People Think the CDC Said 94% of COVID-19 Deaths Were Actually Caused by Something Else—but That's Not Accurate at All

The CDC said 6% of people who died from COVID-19 did not have the disease on their death certificate. Find out why people on social media are misinterpreting the stat and what the facts are.

www.health.com

I will say again: your elderly mother with cancer who was expected to die in 5 years contracts Covid and dies now. SHE DIED OF COVID! Not with Covid! That is the case with most of my patients that died. They may have had diabetes or heart disease or cancer but the Covid killed them much sooner than they deserved. The death certificate is designed to list comirbid conditions so it may read respiratory failure due to pneumonia due to Covid with diabetes contributing. It is still a Covid death.

 

[martycat1]

That is incorrect. They can be automatic but the vast majority sold in the US (over 99% for sure) are semiautomatic.

State what you consider a assault weapon.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

First hit on DUckDuckGo:

People Think the CDC Said 94% of COVID-19 Deaths Were Actually Caused by Something Else—but That's Not Accurate at All

The CDC said 6% of people who died from COVID-19 did not have the disease on their death certificate. Find out why people on social media are misinterpreting the stat and what the facts are.

www.health.com

And here's the first line of that article:

"No, 94% of coronavirus deaths were not actually caused by something else. "

No one said they were. Another liberal 'fact-checker' fact-checking a claim that no one made, and trying to spin it as proof of the actual claim being false.

It fools the slow-witted who only want their narratives confirmed.


Liberals research to have their narratives validated.

The rest of us research to learn.

This is why the only thing liberals ever learn is talking points.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I will say again: your elderly mother with cancer who was expected to die in 5 years contracts Covid and dies now. SHE DIED OF COVID! Not with Covid!

Take it up with the CDC, they are the ones you are disagreeing with.

And I'll help you here.....if the woman in your example didn't have cancer, she likely wouldn't have died after contracting covid.

That's why her death would be listed as WITH covid.

Dude this really isn't that hard to understand. But you need your panic to be validated. I get it.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You said you didn't trust OAN. I asked you to give me a single example of OAN reporting a false story.

Still waiting...

About two weeks now, and he can't answer. That tells me he's never actually watched OAN, but someone else (who probably didn't watch it either) told him it was all a buncha lies, so he believed it.

Critical thinkers who are open to learning will investigate for themselves and make up their own minds.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I hate the phrase “assault rifles”. Technically, any rifle is an assault rifle in the wrong hands. Pistols kill more people every year but we both know that.

They are what they are no matter what we call them.

I have no issues with "assault rifles" or, if you prefer, semiautomatic rifles. The fact that they look "militaristic" doesn't make them more or less dangerous.