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Unelected bureaucrat closes every bar in Florida

Selective closures of hot spots is one thing (dumb anyway IMO) but the wholesale closing off all bars in the state is as stupid as it get.

BTW, how many deaths can be attributed to the hot spots, cause I'm not at all interested in the positive test numbers. It's like knowing how many have a common cold.... :rolleyes:

Here's the truth - nobody knows exactly what to do. This is a new disease and we're still collecting data on it. Ultimately people are responsible for themselves - if you put your faith in the government, good luck. As for me - I'm being smart until this passes and I didn't need Dr. Fauci to tell me that.
 
You could provide something beyond bluster...here's a Mother Jones article showing the US and Europe side by side, as there are similar populations invloved. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/the-us-lags-way-behind-europe-in-covid-19-mortality/

You'll notice the exact same spike and if you read the article, it shows that deaths per million in Europe is just under 1 and in the US it's about 3. So there's no difference in how the governments did in the shut down and the difference now is the reopening.

We probably won't know if our reopening is better vs. Europe for another year but those are the stats today. It is funny this thing isn't over and yet you are somehow already claiming victory - kind of weird.

Yeah I hate to tell you Gatorbuilder but the obvious point of that article is that our fatality rate is worse than Europe and that their decision to keep lockdowns in place longer than us is the reason why:

“That’s sort of an interesting look, isn’t it? Both the US and the EU rose at almost exactly the same rate and reached almost the same peak. The difference comes after the peak: the EU kept most of its lockdowns in place for about six weeks post-peak and crushed their curve to below 1 death per million. The US, by contrast, began opening up within three weeks after its peak, and our decline has been much less rapid.”

He goes on to say that, even if we don’t have a resurgence in cases (we have, the article was written a week ago), that our fatality rate is going to remain higher than Europe’s. You see the graph? And how the US line is higher than the EU line? That’s fatality rate.

I mean, have you guys considered whether you have the requisite mental acuity to be voting on things that impact other people?
 
Trump won the election because Kasavubu was an economic and foreign policy disaster and the "smartest" woman in the world ran for his third term. These two geniuses gave us a reality TV star, Candace Owens and Blexit. This is not classical mechanics. There's nothing hard here.


Kasavubu? Sounds like black hating to me.
 
Seriously. Do you guys read the papers? Have internet access? What’s the deal?

I knew you'd be either to stupid, or to much of a snowflake to respond, so here, let me give you the pertinent information.

Co-V Sweden - Last updated: Saturday, 27th June 2020, 7:40:12 pm

Population - 9,894,888
Tested - 444,607
Cases - 65,137
Deaths - 5,280
Recovered - 4,971
Total Serious - 171
Cases per Million inhabitants - 6,583

And that is with ZERO LOCKDOWNS. Life goes on as normal there. o_O
 
I knew you'd be either to stupid, or to much of a snowflake to respond, so here, let me give you the pertinent information.

Co-V Sweden - Last updated: Saturday, 27th June 2020, 7:40:12 pm

Population - 9,894,888
Tested - 444,607
Cases - 65,137
Deaths - 5,280
Recovered - 4,971
Total Serious - 171
Cases per Million inhabitants - 6,583

And that is with ZERO LOCKDOWNS. Life goes on as normal there. o_O

Mmmmhmmmm, and how does that compare to the other Scandinavian countries who locked down?
 
Mmmmmmhmmmmm:

Scandinavia’s biggest economy will shrink 7% this year, Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson said on Tuesday. Shortly after she spoke, the debt office revealed an historic 30-fold spike in borrowing to cover emergency spending amid record job losses. A separate survey showed 40% of businesses in Sweden’s service sector now fear bankruptcy.
 
Lol! You guys are so dumb. Do you think because you invent something in your head, it becomes true? Must be a side effect of voting Trump.
 
While your knowledge or understanding of the various factors affecting an economy is about on a 5th grade level.... :rolleyes:
 
Another one has earned it at this point....

Dudley = Yap-Yap-Yap = ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz
 
We probably won't know if our reopening is better vs. Europe for another year but those are the stats today. It is funny this thing isn't over and yet you are somehow already claiming victory - kind of weird.

This entire episode has been a scary reminder that the left hates Trump more than they love America.

Contrast how the left is acting now vs how Republicans acted during Swine Flu.

That's because we love America more than we hated obama.
 
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Lol! You guys are so dumb. Do you think because you invent something in your head, it becomes true? Must be a side effect of voting Trump.

@bradleygator calm down. Being wrong here is a GOOD thing. It means FEWER people got sick and FEWER people died.

Sure, it means you might not get to dig on Trump about it, but isn't people living and being healthy more important than them dying just so you can have fodder for an internet dig on Trump?

Seriously bro...stop to look at what you're becoming. Let the hate go.
 
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@bradleygator calm down. Being wrong here is a GOOD thing. It means FEWER people got sick and FEWER people died.

Sure, it means you might not get to dig on Trump about it, but isn't people living and being healthy more important than them dying just so you can have fodder for an internet dig on Trump?

Seriously bro...stop to look at what you're becoming. Let the hate go.

Cant do it. I do detest a bunch of uninformed morons that inflicted this idiot on us all because they want to blame foreigners and brown people for the fact that they make minimum wage. I simply must continue to point out the extent of all your ignorance. Even if I know in the end it falls on deaf (dumb?) ears.
 
Cant do it. I do detest a bunch of uninformed morons that inflicted this idiot on us all because they want to blame foreigners and brown people for the fact that they make minimum wage. I simply must continue to point out the extent of all your ignorance. Even if I know in the end it falls on deaf (dumb?) ears.

You keep saying Trump supporters don't like 'brown people', but you support Planned Parenthood, that was founded by a proud white supremacist who advocated for using abortion to eliminate 'brown people'.

Don't you see how you are the very thing you claim to hate? I mean, you do see that, right?
 
He won the election because he promised to keep brown people in line. That’s the only issue his core supporters care about. The real losers I mean, the ones who will vote for him in 2020.

Your dumbest post yet. I think you'll top this one too but congrats on the milestone.

I had gay friends who said they could no longer be our friends if we voted for Trump because Trump was going to take away their right to be married. We were "contributing to the potential destruction of their family."

That's sort of what I heard when I read your post. You are ignorant AF and yet somehow arrogant over that fact.
 
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Your dumbest post yet. I think you'll top this one too but congrats on the milestone.

I had gay friends who said they could no longer be our friends if we voted for Trump because Trump was going to take away their right to be married. We were "contributing to the potential destruction of their family."

That's sort of what I heard when I read your post. You are ignorant AF and yet somehow arrogant over that fact.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
I simply must continue to point out the extent of all your ignorance. Even if I know in the end it falls on deaf (dumb?) ears.

Would it shock you to learn that I feel the exact same way about you and BSC?

The difference is that you hate a single man more than I've hated anything save cancer. You are not the least bit rational on the subject of Trump.
 
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Meaning I need the help because I hate brown people and feel guilty about it?

Haha, I could share some stuff with you that would make you feel small and stupid but you're a rando internet dork so why should I?

How about this....consider for a moment that it's possible that you are FOS. You don't know all the stuff that you think you know.
 
Meaning I need the help because I hate brown people and feel guilty about it?

Haha, I could share some stuff with you that would make you feel small and stupid but you're a rando internet dork so why should I?

How about this....consider for a moment that it's possible that you are FOS. You don't know all the stuff that you think you know.

I don’t know if you hate black people but you obviously feel the need to rationalize your support for this nutcase, as you should. I don’t care what your reasons are.
 
I don’t know if you hate black people

Funny that you say that because a few posts up you claimed that I did and that I have trouble sleeping at night as a result.

but you obviously feel the need to rationalize your support for this nutcase, as you should.

Actually I feel the need to point and laugh at your ignorance. The hilarity doubles down when I notice your failed attempts at condescension.
 
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Yeah I hate to tell you Gatorbuilder but the obvious point of that article is that our fatality rate is worse than Europe and that their decision to keep lockdowns in place longer than us is the reason why:

“That’s sort of an interesting look, isn’t it? Both the US and the EU rose at almost exactly the same rate and reached almost the same peak. The difference comes after the peak: the EU kept most of its lockdowns in place for about six weeks post-peak and crushed their curve to below 1 death per million. The US, by contrast, began opening up within three weeks after its peak, and our decline has been much less rapid.”

He goes on to say that, even if we don’t have a resurgence in cases (we have, the article was written a week ago), that our fatality rate is going to remain higher than Europe’s. You see the graph? And how the US line is higher than the EU line? That’s fatality rate.

I mean, have you guys considered whether you have the requisite mental acuity to be voting on things that impact other people?

It's almost like I'm not trying to defend "Orange man bad"

Stats are all over the place - we did about what everyone else did and had about the same results. Once we started re-engaging in the economy we've had more deaths. Btw - when these other countries stop printing money and go back to work, it'll probably be the same for them.

This is far different from your "Trump is terrible and did everything wrong argument".

You are so far to the left you cant' see I'm actually in the middle - lol but that's probably just some type of privilege talking.
 
It's almost like I'm not trying to defend "Orange man bad"

Stats are all over the place - we did about what everyone else did and had about the same results. Once we started re-engaging in the economy we've had more deaths. Btw - when these other countries stop printing money and go back to work, it'll probably be the same for them.

This is far different from your "Trump is terrible and did everything wrong argument".

You are so far to the left you cant' see I'm actually in the middle - lol but that's probably just some type of privilege talking.

For weeks back in Feb and March, @bradleygator claimed "Trump will own this".

Well now that deaths are falling sharply:



Trump has the receipts, and @bradleygator can't admit he was wrong and Trump (and his supporters) were right.

As always, whenever there is GOOD news for America, in any form, note the posters that are pissed about it. You will NEVER EVER NEVER see a dem here start a thread about GOOD NEWS for America.

I've been here 4 years, it's never happened. We all know why.
 
Cant do it. I do detest a bunch of uninformed morons that inflicted this idiot on us all because they want to blame foreigners and brown people for the fact that they make minimum wage. I simply must continue to point out the extent of all your ignorance. Even if I know in the end it falls on deaf (dumb?) ears.

:rolleyes:

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.

The only numbers that really matter are the ratios of those with Co-V Antibodies to those that die directly from Co-V. o_O

Unlike some other countries, the United States still hasn’t completed a national random antibody study — yet another way in which our public-health establishment has failed to get the data we need to make good decisions about lockdowns. But some counties, states and countries have. Those studies consistently show that far more people have been infected with and recovered from the coronavirus than suggested by data from tests that only measure current infections.

In other words, while the CDC reports 2.34 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus, the actual number of infected and recovered people may be closer to 50 million. (CDC Director Robert Redfield told journalists Thursday that the number of cases may be 10 times higher than the earlier 2.34 million.)

Thus, the death rate, which would be 5.2 percent based on that 2.34 million figure, is actually more like one-20th as high — or 0.26 percent. o_O

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/getting-realistic-about-the-coronavirus-death-rate/
 
:rolleyes:

In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated in May that the coronavirus kills about 0.26 percent of the people it infects, about 1 in 400 people. New estimates from Sweden suggest that only 1 in 10,000 people under 50 will die from the virus, compared to 1 in 14 of people over 80 and 1 in 6 of those over 90.

The only numbers that really matter are the ratios of those with Co-V Antibodies to those that die directly from Co-V. o_O

Unlike some other countries, the United States still hasn’t completed a national random antibody study — yet another way in which our public-health establishment has failed to get the data we need to make good decisions about lockdowns. But some counties, states and countries have. Those studies consistently show that far more people have been infected with and recovered from the coronavirus than suggested by data from tests that only measure current infections.

In other words, while the CDC reports 2.34 million Americans have been infected with the coronavirus, the actual number of infected and recovered people may be closer to 50 million. (CDC Director Robert Redfield told journalists Thursday that the number of cases may be 10 times higher than the earlier 2.34 million.)

Thus, the death rate, which would be 5.2 percent based on that 2.34 million figure, is actually more like one-20th as high — or 0.26 percent. o_O

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/getting-realistic-about-the-coronavirus-death-rate/

I hope the lower death percentages hold true over the next couple of weeks. Especially in FL, with the last 4-5 weeks of protests and kids out n about not holding to social distancing, we're about to find out if the Under-50 thing is true.
 
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I hope the lower death percentages hold true over the next couple of weeks. Especially in FL, with the last 4-5 weeks of protests and kids out n about not holding to social distancing, we're about to find out if the Under-50 thing is true.

Lefty media already saying it's safe to protest, parties are still a danger. No shit, saw an NPR article that claimed that very thing.

I'm sure @bradleygator heard the segment on the radio. He sounds like a diehard NPR listener.
 
Kasavubu was an African leader who blamed all the country's ills on the press and predecessors. Think George W. Bush and Fox News. Sound familiar? There is much nail can teach you about U. S. and African history.

Lamumba ( empty suit )
Mobutu ( he used the the treasury as his own personal bank)
Kasavubu ( blamed his his predecessors for all wrongs)
Mugabe ( he destroyed the bread basket and healthcare of Zimbabwe )

sound familiar?
 
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Lamumba ( empty suit )
Mobutu ( he used the the treasury as his own personal bank)
Kasavubu ( blamed his his predecessors for all wrongs)
Mugabe ( he destroyed the bread basket and healthcare of Zimbabwe )

sound familiar?

nail, I won't suggest you waste your time trying to teach this guy African history. You will never get him to achieve your level of African knowledge. Note the fruitless attempts BamaFan1137 makes daily in teaching BSC general knowledge.
 
Is not being able to go to a bar for a few weeks really that much of a sacrifice? I guess it sucks for the owner and bartenders, but can you just booze at home until the pandemic settles down a bit? It just seems like a trivial thing to get up in arms about.
 
I hope the lower death percentages hold true over the next couple of weeks. Especially in FL, with the last 4-5 weeks of protests and kids out n about not holding to social distancing, we're about to find out if the Under-50 thing is true.

It's not just about death. There are common long-term effects, like having a permanently reduced lung capacity. As someone who has had respiratory issues, I can say that the sensation that you can't quite get enough air is an unending torment that you do not want, especially if it's chronic. This thing affects your blood and circulatory system too. People are having strokes, and suffering from dementia weeks after recovering. And not just old people.
 
It's not just about death. There are common long-term effects, like having a permanently reduced lung capacity. As someone who has had respiratory issues, I can say that the sensation that you can't quite get enough air is an unending torment that you do not want, especially if it's chronic. This thing affects your blood and circulatory system too. People are having strokes, and suffering from dementia weeks after recovering. And not just old people.

Hopefully, that's not true - I know there's a lot of anecdotes out there and doctors are pointing to this. But it's true we won't really know some of these things for a few years, at least in a scientific sense. lol that's why I'm taking precautions.
 
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Is not being able to go to a bar for a few weeks really that much of a sacrifice? I guess it sucks for the owner and bartenders, but can you just booze at home until the pandemic settles down a bit? It just seems like a trivial thing to get up in arms about.

Is it too much of a sacrifice for the left to put their country before trying to get a dig in on Trump?
 
It's not just about death. There are common long-term effects, like having a permanently reduced lung capacity. As someone who has had respiratory issues, I can say that the sensation that you can't quite get enough air is an unending torment that you do not want, especially if it's chronic. This thing affects your blood and circulatory system too. People are having strokes, and suffering from dementia weeks after recovering. And not just old people.

Right. People with underlying conditions are also susceptible.

Just like with the regular flu.
 
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It's not just about death. There are common long-term effects, like having a permanently reduced lung capacity. As someone who has had respiratory issues, I can say that the sensation that you can't quite get enough air is an unending torment that you do not want, especially if it's chronic. This thing affects your blood and circulatory system too. People are having strokes, and suffering from dementia weeks after recovering. And not just old people.
Common or rare?
 
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