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Unelected bureaucrat closes every bar in Florida

The Republican governor of Texas hates Trump?
No he doesn't. I guess I didn't word it correctly. What I meant is the overall country hate with the media and democrats pushing this thing. He's just listening to the rap about increased cases in Dallas and Houston that doesn't have an increased in deaths. This thing is never going to end.
 
Remember that whole thing about potentially opening too early and rushing back...yeah that....

Is there any other way to do it? 1 step forward and 1 back is about all you can do. Seems reasonable.

Unless of course you have that magic shot already and refuse to share. These starts/stops are the plan unfortunately and this should be the expectation.
 
1.)I am going to disagree with everyone over some aspect of this. I think we opened up later than we should have.
2.) this was supposed to allow hospitals to prepare for any needs regarding ICU. So no stop and start were not part of the original plan. Neither was a long term shutdown to prevent the spread.
3.) It appears the spike in Fla is among the young.
4. the focus should be on those over 40 where the percentage who die begins to tick up above the average. If the surge is among the young and the death rate is still below 2% then move forward towards herd immunity.
5. Desantis had it right to protect the vulnerable. He is right to ask people to wear masks. He is wrong IMHO to shut back down.
6.) I wear a mask and have for sometime and did not believe the powers that be when they first said not to. They changed their tune. I also sanitize my hands often but did that long before this hit. When people talk about having a mild case and they were down for 2 weeks or more DC says hell no to that. Mild for me is a couple of days. Anything over that isn't "mild" and I will do my best to pass on that.

Now lets look at the masks. I have read up on this from several sources. It is not perfect nor 100% and will not be. From the latest info the virus can be spread from surface contact and is still seen for up to a week. But the amount of time it can actually stay viable is much less. The mask helps keep you from touching your nose or mouth and reduces your chance of getting it from touching things in public.

Sneezing and coughing produce large droplets and the mask will prevent the person sneezing from spreading it as it will trap most of the particles and others around that person wearing a mask from inhaling those large droplets.

Breathing produces a fine aerosol mist which moves slower and either dissipates or drops to the ground quickly. This is where the 6 foot rule comes in to play. Supposedly you have to be near someone for more than a few minutes to catch it this way. Sitting in a room with poor ventilation for an extended period of time allows the viral load to accumulate in the air. DC still does carry out and not dine in!

Wearing a mask as we know restricts airflow. This also means it slows the aerosol down even more and should reduce the distance it can travel as well as the amount in the air itself.

Catching it while outside in the open air unless someone sneezes or coughs directly on you should be the least likely way to catch it. Masks probably make no difference outside but you shouldn't be elbow to elbow either.

Miami is closing its beaches on July 4th! Why?

This thing is a killer but its not super deadly. It is mostly caught by those under 40 but the death rate is highest for those over 40.

Every damn thing in this country has been politicized and this started well before Trump came into office.

I can't get to the woods and retire soon enough...Problem is I am only 51and not wealthy enough to retire early.
 
No he doesn't. I guess I didn't word it correctly. What I meant is the overall country hate with the media and democrats pushing this thing. He's just listening to the rap about increased cases in Dallas and Houston that doesn't have an increased in deaths. This thing is never going to end.

You have to type slowly for @bradleygator and in short syllables.
 
Remember that whole thing about potentially opening too early and rushing back...yeah that....

You still have no idea why we did the lockdown.

It was NEVER about saving lives or fewer cases. It was ALWAYS about keeping from overwhelming hospital capacity.

Once we saw hospital capacities were no longer in danger (most never were), then reopening began.

Please stop getting your information from shit sources. This is why you stay nervous about hoaxes.
 
Lol...ok...sadgator supposes the Governor’s Office’s of Florida and Texas are shit sources...

While you are doing that arduous labor for us - let me know how California is doing these days - they are the model for reopening the right way.

And if you get a chance, can you look up the total deaths in New York - it's about the same size as FL and I know that governor is like, the best. Thanks in advance!
 
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sadgator suggests you read the “safer at home” series of executive orders Mr. Critical Thinker...

not surprised you haven’t done that yet...lol...

So that's a 'no'? Got it. This is why I say you libs literally live in your own world. Basic facts are completely alien to you.
 
While you are doing that arduous labor for us - let me know how California is doing these days - they are the model for reopening the right way.

And if you get a chance, can you look up the total deaths in New York - it's about the same size as FL and I know that governor is like, the best. Thanks in advance!



But sheep are worried about TX and FL. NY gets a pass.

Same state that's shoving the elderly in nursing homes to die. Such caring human beings.
 
Is there any other way to do it? 1 step forward and 1 back is about all you can do. Seems reasonable.

Unless of course you have that magic shot already and refuse to share. These starts/stops are the plan unfortunately and this should be the expectation.

Of course there’s other ways to do it. South Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, except Sweden, have all managed the virus response and reopening better than us. Our closest comparisons in terms of numbers are Brazil, Russia, India and Mexico. I think Trump refers to them as the “shithole” countries, aka now our contemporaries.
 
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You have to read the links for Ghost. He’s lost once you get past the headline.

I suspect what he thinks it said and what it actually said are two different things, why he didn't include a quote.

You sheep are good at repeating the talking points, but ass at defending them.
 
Of course there’s other ways to do it. South Korea, Japan, Australia, Germany, the Scandinavian countries, except Sweden, have all managed the virus response and reopening better than us. Our closest comparisons in terms of numbers are Brazil, Russia, India and Mexico. I think Trump refers to them as the “shithole” countries, aka now our contemporaries.

And there's a ton of advanced western countries like England, France, Spain, Italy etc. that have fared far worse than America...noticed you left those out. Truth is our numbers are on the lower side of average which is good.

Outside of a couple of countries - the entire world has taken the exact same tactics more or less. Germany is really the only standout that's comparable to the US on those listed above, all the others I listed have higher death rates than we do.
 
And there's a ton of advanced western countries like England, France, Spain, Italy etc. that have fared far worse than America...noticed you left those out. Truth is our numbers are on the lower side of average which is good.

Outside of a couple of countries - the entire world has taken the exact same tactics more or less. Germany is really the only standout that's comparable to the US on those listed above, all the others I listed have higher death rates than we do.

If Trump was still a democrat, neither @bradleygator or @sadgator would have ever heard the term 'coronavirus'.

Life would have gone on, other than some Page A16 stories on 'new flu strain to watch out for'.
 
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If Trump was still a democrat, neither @bradleygator or @sadgator would have ever heard the term 'coronavirus'.

Life would have gone on, other than some Page A16 stories on 'new flu strain to watch out for'.

Funny thing is Trump, in reality, is simply a NY democrat - was his entire life and that's the heart of who he is. Shows that reps have gotten more moderate over the years while dems continue to go hard left. You like that or not but it's the dems that are extreme right now.
 
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Funny thing is Trump, in reality, is simply a NY democrat - was his entire life and that's the heart of who he is. Shows that reps have gotten more moderate over the years while dems continue to go hard left. You like that or not but it's the dems that are extreme right now.

That's true, but he's definitely gone to the right on social issues, he couldn't have won the election if he hadn't.
 
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And there's a ton of advanced western countries like England, France, Spain, Italy etc. that have fared far worse than America...noticed you left those out. Truth is our numbers are on the lower side of average which is good.

Outside of a couple of countries - the entire world has taken the exact same tactics more or less. Germany is really the only standout that's comparable to the US on those listed above, all the others I listed have higher death rates than we do.

First of all, I dispute that any of those countries have fared “far worse than America” and I invite you to make your case on that one. Second of all, when you voted to MAGA, did you mean “better than France, Spain and Italy?” Or are those countries you routinely mocked for not having their shit together?
 
First of all, I dispute that any of those countries have fared “far worse than America” and I invite you to make your case on that one. Second of all, when you voted to MAGA, did you mean “better than France, Spain and Italy?” Or are those countries you routinely mocked for not having their shit together?

I'm not sure what MAGA is but here's the tale of the tape, explaining what I think we've done well compared to other countries. The Case-Fatality has us down around 33rd courtesty of Johns Hopkins:
Cases and mortality by country
COUNTRY
CONFIRMED
DEATHS
CASE-FATALITY
DEATHS/100K POP.

Yemen 1,089 293 26.9% nan
Belgium 61,106 9,731 15.9% 85.19
France 199,473 29,781 14.9% 44.46
Italy 239,961 34,708 14.5% 57.43
United Kingdom 310,836 43,498 14.0% 65.42
Hungary 4,127 578 14.0% 5.92
Mexico 208,392 25,779 12.4% 20.43
Netherlands 50,213 6,122 12.2% 35.53
Spain 247,905 28,338 11.4% 60.65
Bahamas 104 11 10.6% nan
Chad 865 74 8.6% 0.48
Ecuador 53,856 4,406 8.2% 25.79
Canada 104,629 8,571 8.2% 23.13
Sweden 65,137 5,280 8.1% 51.85
Barbados 97 7 7.2% 2.44
Slovenia 1,558 109 7.0% 5.27
Algeria 12,685 885 7.0% 2.10
Ireland 25,414 1,730 6.8% 35.64
Trinidad and Tobago 124 8 6.5% 0.58
Niger 1,059 67 6.3% 0.30
Switzerland 31,486 1,962 6.2% 23.04
Sudan 9,257 572 6.2% 1.37
Andorra 855 52 6.1% 67.53
Romania 25,697 1,579 6.1% 8.11
San Marino 698 42 6.0% 124.32
Greece 3,343 191 5.7% 1.78
Guyana 215 12 5.6% 1.54
Burkina Faso 941 53 5.6% 0.27
Mali 2,060 113 5.5% 0.59
China 84,725 4,641 5.5% 0.33
Japan 18,162 971 5.3% 0.77
Indonesia 51,427 2,683 5.2% 1.00
US 2,467,554 125,039 5.1% 38.22
 
That's true, but he's definitely gone to the right on social issues, he couldn't have won the election if he hadn't.

He won the election because he promised to keep brown people in line. That’s the only issue his core supporters care about. The real losers I mean, the ones who will vote for him in 2020.
 
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I'm not sure what MAGA is but here's the tale of the tape, explaining what I think we've done well compared to other countries. The Case-Fatality has us down around 33rd courtesty of Johns Hopkins:
Cases and mortality by country
COUNTRY
CONFIRMED
DEATHS
CASE-FATALITY
DEATHS/100K POP.

Yemen 1,089 293 26.9% nan
Belgium 61,106 9,731 15.9% 85.19
France 199,473 29,781 14.9% 44.46
Italy 239,961 34,708 14.5% 57.43
United Kingdom 310,836 43,498 14.0% 65.42
Hungary 4,127 578 14.0% 5.92
Mexico 208,392 25,779 12.4% 20.43
Netherlands 50,213 6,122 12.2% 35.53
Spain 247,905 28,338 11.4% 60.65
Bahamas 104 11 10.6% nan
Chad 865 74 8.6% 0.48
Ecuador 53,856 4,406 8.2% 25.79
Canada 104,629 8,571 8.2% 23.13
Sweden 65,137 5,280 8.1% 51.85
Barbados 97 7 7.2% 2.44
Slovenia 1,558 109 7.0% 5.27
Algeria 12,685 885 7.0% 2.10
Ireland 25,414 1,730 6.8% 35.64
Trinidad and Tobago 124 8 6.5% 0.58
Niger 1,059 67 6.3% 0.30
Switzerland 31,486 1,962 6.2% 23.04
Sudan 9,257 572 6.2% 1.37
Andorra 855 52 6.1% 67.53
Romania 25,697 1,579 6.1% 8.11
San Marino 698 42 6.0% 124.32
Greece 3,343 191 5.7% 1.78
Guyana 215 12 5.6% 1.54
Burkina Faso 941 53 5.6% 0.27
Mali 2,060 113 5.5% 0.59
China 84,725 4,641 5.5% 0.33
Japan 18,162 971 5.3% 0.77
Indonesia 51,427 2,683 5.2% 1.00
US 2,467,554 125,039 5.1% 38.22

Ha. Case fatality rate. That would be great except we let the virus spread unchecked to the point where even benefitting from that rate, we have as many deaths as the rest of the world. But if you think 200-500k deaths at minimum, for a country with the most resources and best healthcare in the world is an effective response, then I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
 
I'm not sure what MAGA is but here's the tale of the tape, explaining what I think we've done well compared to other countries. The Case-Fatality has us down around 33rd courtesty of Johns Hopkins:
Cases and mortality by country
COUNTRY
CONFIRMED
DEATHS
CASE-FATALITY
DEATHS/100K POP.

Yemen 1,089 293 26.9% nan
Belgium 61,106 9,731 15.9% 85.19
France 199,473 29,781 14.9% 44.46
Italy 239,961 34,708 14.5% 57.43
United Kingdom 310,836 43,498 14.0% 65.42
Hungary 4,127 578 14.0% 5.92
Mexico 208,392 25,779 12.4% 20.43
Netherlands 50,213 6,122 12.2% 35.53
Spain 247,905 28,338 11.4% 60.65
Bahamas 104 11 10.6% nan
Chad 865 74 8.6% 0.48
Ecuador 53,856 4,406 8.2% 25.79
Canada 104,629 8,571 8.2% 23.13
Sweden 65,137 5,280 8.1% 51.85
Barbados 97 7 7.2% 2.44
Slovenia 1,558 109 7.0% 5.27
Algeria 12,685 885 7.0% 2.10
Ireland 25,414 1,730 6.8% 35.64
Trinidad and Tobago 124 8 6.5% 0.58
Niger 1,059 67 6.3% 0.30
Switzerland 31,486 1,962 6.2% 23.04
Sudan 9,257 572 6.2% 1.37
Andorra 855 52 6.1% 67.53
Romania 25,697 1,579 6.1% 8.11
San Marino 698 42 6.0% 124.32
Greece 3,343 191 5.7% 1.78
Guyana 215 12 5.6% 1.54
Burkina Faso 941 53 5.6% 0.27
Mali 2,060 113 5.5% 0.59
China 84,725 4,641 5.5% 0.33
Japan 18,162 971 5.3% 0.77
Indonesia 51,427 2,683 5.2% 1.00
US 2,467,554 125,039 5.1% 38.22

I love this argument: sure our total cases and deaths equal everywhere else in the world, but we’ve had so many cases that our case fatality rate is right there with Burkina Faso. MAGA!
 
If that was the case then you would have been his biggest supporter.

Trump won the election because Kasavubu was an economic and foreign policy disaster and the "smartest" woman in the world ran for his third term. These two geniuses gave us a reality TV star, Candace Owens and Blexit. This is not classical mechanics. There's nothing hard here.
 
I love this argument: sure our total cases and deaths equal everywhere else in the world, but we’ve had so many cases that our case fatality rate is right there with Burkina Faso. MAGA!

You could provide something beyond bluster...here's a Mother Jones article showing the US and Europe side by side, as there are similar populations invloved. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/06/the-us-lags-way-behind-europe-in-covid-19-mortality/

You'll notice the exact same spike and if you read the article, it shows that deaths per million in Europe is just under 1 and in the US it's about 3. So there's no difference in how the governments did in the shut down and the difference now is the reopening.

We probably won't know if our reopening is better vs. Europe for another year but those are the stats today. It is funny this thing isn't over and yet you are somehow already claiming victory - kind of weird.
 
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Selective closures of hot spots is one thing (dumb anyway IMO) but the wholesale closing off all bars in the state is as stupid as it get.

BTW, how many deaths can be attributed to the hot spots, cause I'm not at all interested in the positive test numbers. It's like knowing how many have a common cold.... :rolleyes:
 
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