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Curious if Russia would agree to anything like this considering they are routing areas around that Donbass area right now. They might see it as just a chance for Ukraine to try to reinforce those spots. I guess we will see.
Russia is VERY depleted, and America has a strong President. May not on this exact agreement, however I think Russia has had all they can handle
I think they want the war over and Ukraine military out of anywhere right around Donbass. I could see them pressing their momentum now though possibly saying they won't agree to anything that allows Ukraine to try and regroup around those areas. We will see what they do I guess. The war has been essentially over for a while imo its just how many more people get slaughtered to get Ukraine military fully out of that Donbass area.
If this happens, watch America and Europe go ALL IN to arm and protect Ukraine. Russia does not win this way in the end, and Putin knows it. He will take these small wins he has been getting since he invaded under GWB. He has gained land back under Bush, Hussein, and FJB. This time though he paid an INCREDIBLE price to do so. Trump knows how to shut Russia down economically, and Putin knows this. They will agree to something soon. Not immediately...but soon. They paid a very steep price for their small gains this time. Putin will hesitate to do this next time. I am sure he thought they could get what they want in Ukraine in a few months. This war is NOT popular in Russia. So many have died...WAY more than reported
Russian Pro-War Figures, Military Bloggers Slam U.S. Ceasefire Proposal - The Moscow Times
The U.S. proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine that Kyiv supported after talks in Saudi Arabia has sparked outrage among Russian pro-war bloggers and military correspondents, who called it “a trap” and an attempt to give Ukraine time to strengthen its military forces.
I actually think Russia is just short of having exactly what they would have desired years ago - Crimea and that Donbass area as those were the 2 areas the people leaned more pro-Russian and are the areas that made military and/or resource sense for Russia. I don't think Ukraine has to worry about Russia trying to take western areas as it really doesn't make sense for Russia to try that. As far as a cease fire this Russian paper has the same reasons I think Russia may not agree to it without changes as the ceasefire would just help Ukraine who is close to being fully ran out of the areas around Donbass.
They do...that is why I think they will barter a bit, and then do a cease fireRussian Pro-War Figures, Military Bloggers Slam U.S. Ceasefire Proposal - The Moscow Times
The U.S. proposal for a 30-day ceasefire in Ukraine that Kyiv supported after talks in Saudi Arabia has sparked outrage among Russian pro-war bloggers and military correspondents, who called it “a trap” and an attempt to give Ukraine time to strengthen its military forces.www.themoscowtimes.com
I actually think Russia is just short of having exactly what they would have desired years ago - Crimea and that Donbass area as those were the 2 areas the people leaned more pro-Russian and are the areas that made military and/or resource sense for Russia. I don't think Ukraine has to worry about Russia trying to take western areas as it really doesn't make sense for Russia to try that. As far as a cease fire this Russian paper has the same reasons I think Russia may not agree to it without changes as the ceasefire would just help Ukraine who is close to being fully ran out of the areas around Donbass.
I think Russia would do a long term deal if it keeps other troops away from that Donbass area and the NATO talk is over. I kind of think this NATO troops being in Ukraine even in the western area might be fantasy land talk though in negotiations as Russia/Putin would have to be naive as hell to agree to that imo.
Russia will NEVER let a NATO Country right on their border...and I do not blame them
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NATO members that border Russia
Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Poland
Finland
Norway
USoA (2.5 miles between islands)
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Well Russia has a border with a bunch of countries but I agree he will never let Ukraine be in NATO. Putin just turned down the ceasefire as expected. He said it only helps Ukraine and a long term deal is the goal. You can't blame him when they are about to drive the Ukraine military fully out of the areas they permanently want them out of.
No telling with him. I think he may just want to hold onto power as long as possible. Acting like they aren't in a bad position with that naive Kursk stunt they pulled when it's just a matter of time now until that is over when the manpower should have been in Ukraine not across the Russian border just for a talking point.
Really was talking about Russia. Russia wants an end also...they have taken a BEATING, and the longer this goes on makes them look weak. They WILL win eventually, but at what price? Secondly do not think for a minute Trump will not get VERY tough on Russia. He will do it behind the scenes as to not embarrass Putin, which would just make an ending to this harder to achieve.
They want it to end but I just think it's hard to see them ending it without a more concrete agreement. I think once they get the last Ukranians mostly out of Kursk and solidify their hold on Donbass a little more (either through more fighting or Ukraine moving some troops as part of a deal) they would be agreeable to a ceasefire.
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