Trump's Dumbest Ideas

[NavigatorII]

 

[NavigatorII]

The tariff wars are dumb, because there’s no point to them. What are we trying to accomplish? If they’re to raise revenue then why are we slapping them on and off every other day? If they’re to incentivize US manufacturing, then I would suggest some advance guidance would have been helpful since we dont currently have the infrastructure to start making cars here (for instance) that are currently made in Mexico. If it’s for border security ok, we got Mexico and Canada to surge forces to the border and crossings are supposedly down more than 100 percent so why are we announcing new 50 percent tariffs on Canada. If it’s for fentanyl, I’ll tell ya, I’d rather have the Dow at $40k and to hell with the fentanyl abusers.

Basically I think it’s just because Trump refuses to back down on them and I think it’s a major self inflicted injury to the US economy.

Republican Congress won’t survive a stock market crash and neither will the rest of Trump’s agenda. This is a dumb thing to get hung up on.

While it's a thinly veiled ploy (it might help bring some business back to the states) the main goal is "you fumgoo on me, I fumgoo on you". The goal is to make the balance of trade fairer. So many countries tariff our goods. Canada, our milk. Europe and China, our vehicles. The goal is to get them to drop their tariffs and renegotiate. Anything these other countries can't make or produce themselves, they tariff the hell out of our exported goods. With Mexico, it's more about them policing their border than trade itself. That is working. It's the threat of tariffs to get what we want, not the actual taxation for revenue's sake. It's punative damages to other countries until they drop their tariffs. Does it hurt here? Initially, hell yes.

The question is, who will blink first? I doubt it's Trump. He'll double down. 😂

 

[bradleygator]

While it's a thinly veiled ploy (it might help bring some business back to the states) the main goal is "you fumgoo on me, I fumgoo on you". The goal is to make the balance of trade fairer. So many countries tariff our goods. Canada, our milk. Europe and China, our vehicles. The goal is to get them to drop their tariffs and renegotiate. Anything these other countries can't make or produce themselves, they tariff the hell out of our exported goods. With Mexico, it's more about them policing their border than trade itself. That is working. It's the threat of tariffs to get what we want, not the actual taxation for revenue's sake. It's punative damages to other countries until they drop their tariffs. Does it hurt here? Initially, hell yes.

The question is, who will blink first? I doubt it's Trump. He'll double down. 😂

Canada and the US have tariffed each other for specific industries. As a whole, we export more to Canada than we buy. And yes Canada did walk back it’s electricity tariffs today, so that was good but they only imposed them in the first place in response to us and in the meantime the stock market lost about half a trillion.

It’s a dumb own goal and Trump should ditch it. He won’t of course.

 

[bradleygator]

The best argument I’ve heard for the tariffs is that Trump is trying to pop the bubble in the stock market and ease inflation, so we can cut rates and print as necessary heading into 2026 elections. That makes some sense, but it’s tough to deflate bubbles just a little bit.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Canada tariffs TF out of us. It's tit for tat. Like calling out the EU for not paying their fair share of the NATO tab. It's not wrong ...

This is how Trump negotiates. He has something he wants from Canada, so he targets something THEY want to keep (tariffs).

They will go back and forth, eventually Canada will cave and say "Ok Mr President, what would it take for you to drop the tariffs?" Then Trump says 'give me...(the thing he wanted all along).

Trump ALWAYS does this. He gets everyone looking one way, then while everyone is distracted, he focuses on the thing he wants.

 

[treygator29]

I’m still not over him being gone

 

[NavigatorII]

The best argument I’ve heard for the tariffs is that Trump is trying to pop the bubble in the stock market and ease inflation, so we can cut rates and print as necessary heading into 2026 elections. That makes some sense, but it’s tough to deflate bubbles just a little bit.

I could here that pin pop that bubble from my desk yesterday. 😂 The market was about as bloated artificially as it could get by the end of 2024. Reminded me of 1999. We may see a retreat back into solid equities with real earnings instead of some of these fattened pigs with "promises" of future earnings (like those stupid brokeass meme stocks).

You know things are out of kilter when companies are pimping record revenues(like the alcohol industry) yet their volumes sold are shrinking. That's a sure sign... sum ting's wong. Inflation has artificially jacked up market caps.

 

[gatordad3]

No Fres. I think it is a good idea, but going at the problem with a bull dozer and attacking w/o any thought what damage can be done is the work of those who don't care what happens to good people and organizations.. Both Trump and Musk IMO are looking to enrich the rich and themselves and the hell with everyone else, ie most of the people. The top 5% of the people in this country know that Trump and the people In Congress will be fine whatever he does so they go along with it, the rest don't know what to do. Just my thoughts my friend.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

The best argument I’ve heard for the tariffs is that Trump is trying to pop the bubble in the stock market and ease inflation,

Inflation is now down to 1.4%. Same rate it was when Trump left office.

 

[nail1988]

Democrat foot soldiers will be charged with domestic terrorism if they keep attacking Tesla stores

 

[BCSpell]

Two stand out to me.

1. Picking a fight with Canada. It's like picking a fight with one of your better friends. WTH?

2. Renaming the Gulf. Totally unnecessary. Makes us look insecure.

What are you all's picks?

You do realize that since the crack down on the Southern border, the illegal drugs have started flowing in from Canada. And after Canada didn't react, he started with Tariffs. Besides, the tariffs from Canada on milk/dairy and timber are soooooooooo high, none of those are crossing into Canada. What were the #s I hear the other day. Canada pays $30,000,000,000 in Tariffs and the US pays $350,000,000,000.

 

[Gator Fever]

Trump needs to stay the course on Canada. We have more of an ability to hurt them on trade than they do with us.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

One day some will figure out exactly what the tariffs ate for. Its really not very hard to understand.

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[Capt Ron 1]

The tariff wars are dumb, because there’s no point to them. What are we trying to accomplish? If they’re to raise revenue then why are we slapping them on and off every other day? If they’re to incentivize US manufacturing, then I would suggest some advance guidance would have been helpful since we dont currently have the infrastructure to start making cars here (for instance) that are currently made in Mexico. If it’s for border security ok, we got Mexico and Canada to surge forces to the border and crossings are supposedly down more than 100 percent so why are we announcing new 50 percent tariffs on Canada. If it’s for fentanyl, I’ll tell ya, I’d rather have the Dow at $40k and to hell with the fentanyl abusers.

Basically I think it’s just because Trump refuses to back down on them and I think it’s a major self inflicted injury to the US economy.

Republican Congress won’t survive a stock market crash and neither will the rest of Trump’s agenda. This is a dumb thing to get hung up on.

I think you are ENTIRELY missing the point of tariffs. The idea is to get all the Countries that are charging us..to STOP. Or we will charge them. (reciprocal tariffs) Secondly..it is to get manufacturing back to America. If American companies decide to build overseas...they pay tariffs. Move back here...no tariffs. So two things happening here

 

[Capt Ron 1]

The tariff wars are dumb, because there’s no point to them. What are we trying to accomplish? If they’re to raise revenue then why are we slapping them on and off every other day? If they’re to incentivize US manufacturing, then I would suggest some advance guidance would have been helpful since we dont currently have the infrastructure to start making cars here (for instance) that are currently made in Mexico. If it’s for border security ok, we got Mexico and Canada to surge forces to the border and crossings are supposedly down more than 100 percent so why are we announcing new 50 percent tariffs on Canada. If it’s for fentanyl, I’ll tell ya, I’d rather have the Dow at $40k and to hell with the fentanyl abusers.

Basically I think it’s just because Trump refuses to back down on them and I think it’s a major self inflicted injury to the US economy.

Republican Congress won’t survive a stock market crash and neither will the rest of Trump’s agenda. This is a dumb thing to get hung up on.

I trust Trump...BUT...if I were in his ear, I would have had him pass the tax cuts in the budget first. I think that would have stabilized the stck market. However when these jobs start coming back, the market will really take off. In fact WHEN they pass the tax cuts, the market will take off.

 

[gator1776]

I've always wondered....is it peaceful to have a simple mind?

No confusing factors like shading or nuance.

If someone doesn't worship Trump, they must be a liberal democrat. Boom! Easy peasy.

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[Gator Fever]

I think you are ENTIRELY missing the point of tariffs. The idea is to get all the Countries that are charging us..to STOP. Or we will charge them. (reciprocal tariffs) Secondly..it is to get manufacturing back to America. If American companies decide to build overseas...they pay tariffs. Move back here...no tariffs. So two things happening here

Interesting. We will see what happens.

 

[jsfgators]

Bro I just wanna see the stock market turn anything but Red, my Retirement account looks like a nuclear bomb hit it, the DOGE is a good thing as long as it benefits you, me, and any other hardworking tax payer

A nuclear bomb? Cmon man, it’s down 2.25% YTD. Chill out. If you can’t tolerate some degree of volatility then you shouldn’t be in the stock market. I’m sure your local bank has a nice CD for waiting for you.

 

[NavigatorII]

I trust Trump...BUT...if I were in his ear, I would have had him pass the tax cuts in the budget first. I think that would have stabilized the stck market. However when these jobs start coming back, the market will really take off. In fact WHEN they pass the tax cuts, the market will take off.

Honestly I really disagree. This time get a 50 foot wall built across the southern border, ALL the way across. He waited too long last time, and got no funding. Trump can keep troops and prevent illegal crossings, but he won't be President forever. Gitter dun NOW! That will save us a trillion dollars in the long run by not subsidizing millions of illegal mongrels that are here to suck off the .Gov tit and be future Dimtard voters. The Hispanics that want to do things right want nothing to do with banana republic politics and will do things right. That's why so many of them that are legal citizens voted for Trump this time. They well understand what they fled.

 

[Gator Fever]

Honestly I really disagree. This time get a 50 foot wall built across the southern border, ALL the way across. He waited too long last time, and got no funding. Trump can keep troops and prevent illegal crossings, but he won't be President forever. Gitter dun NOW! That will save us a trillion dollars in the long run by not subsidizing millions of illegal mongrels that are here to suck off the .Gov tit and be future Dimtard voters. The Hispanics that want to do things right want nothing to do with banana republic politics and will do things right. That's why so many of them that are legal citizens voted for Trump this time. They well understand what they fled.

I bet clowns like Chip Roy and Massie would find a way to vote against it to do the bidding of their GOPe business masters.

 

[NavigatorII]

I bet clowns like Chip Roy and Massie would find a way to vote against it to do the bidding of their GOPe business masters.

I think they might have just Lizzie Cheney'd themselves out of DC. 😂

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I bet clowns like Chip Roy and Massie would find a way to vote against it to do the bidding of their GOPe business masters.

Massie is a snake in the grass, always has been. Note the other thread, there's a growing movement among 'Trump' supporters to attack Trump for calling out Massie.

 

[Gator Fever]

Massie is a snake in the grass, always has been. Note the other thread, there's a growing movement among 'Trump' supporters to attack Trump for calling out Massie.

Most of them are DeSimps though. I remember a lot of them when the Trojan horse DeSantis primary run was just being formulated by the GOPe big donors.

 

[Gator Fever]

I think they might have just Lizzie Cheney'd themselves out of DC. 😂

Not sure about Massie's district but TX being basically open primary makes it hard to toss out crooks like Chip Roy. Kind of like many GOP clowns in GA.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Most of them are DeSimps though. I remember a lot of them when the Trojan horse DeSantis primary run was just being formulated by the GOPe big donors.

Yep. I have a few litmus tests:

1- What did they say in 2020 when the election was stolen? Did they call it out or stay quiet? Or worse, say it was legit?

2 - What did they say about vaccines in 2020 and 2021?

3 - What did thy say about Jan 6th?

4 - Did they jump over and support DeSantis when he ran?

Very few of the 'MAGA influencers' can pass all 4.

 

[gatordad3]

Not sure about Massie's district but TX being basically open primary makes it hard to toss out crooks like Chip Roy. Kind of like many GOP clowns in GA.

So that could mean Texas is also stuck with Eyepatch McCain?

 

[gatorspeed]

A nuclear bomb? Cmon man, it’s down 2.25% YTD. Chill out. If you can’t tolerate some degree of volatility then you shouldn’t be in the stock market. I’m sure your local bank has a nice CD for waiting for you.

Yea I’ll definitely take a smart assses advice!! I’ll jump right on that first thing in the morning Chico

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

Let’s get realistic here. You actually wanna know Trump’s two dumbest ideas?

1) Mike Pence

2) Jeff Sessions

These reflect the fact that when you first became president, due to lack of experience, he had no idea what he was getting into and how deep the state was. Thankfully, Trump‘s a smart dude, he’s figured it out, and now he’s taking a proverbial wrecking ball to DC. And he cannot do enough wrecking for my taste. We’ve got to get the government to work for us again and not the other way around.

Trump governs like he has zero ****s to give.

His current cabinet is rock solid.

 

[Gator Fever]

Yep. I have a few litmus tests:

1- What did they say in 2020 when the election was stolen? Did they call it out or stay quiet? Or worse, say it was legit?

2 - What did they say about vaccines in 2020 and 2021?

3 - What did thy say about Jan 6th?

4 - Did they jump over and support DeSantis when he ran?

Very few of the 'MAGA influencers' can pass all 4.

You could tell most were a GOPe operation once they coordinated their talking points around the 2nd half of 2021. The first thing most all of them did was try to rewrite DeSantis history during Covid trying to act like he didn't do what he did while Trump was in office during Covid and when the vaccine came out the first few months after Trump had left. Yep they also started pushing that nonsense about the Jan 6th people and that the election was legit. It's crazy how much the big GOPe donors spent trying to take Trump down.

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

Massie is a snake in the grass, always has been. Note the other thread, there's a growing movement among 'Trump' supporters to attack Trump for calling out Massie.

I’m a huge fan of Thomas Massie. We wouldn’t have the debt problems we do in this country if we had 435 Congressmen just like him.

Good luck trying to primary him. He’s defeated other MAGA challengers in the past.

 

[Gator Fever]

I’m a huge fan of Thomas Massie. We wouldn’t have the debt problems we do in this country if we had 435 Congressmen just like him.

We also wouldn't have as many MAGA backstabbers if not for that clown and others. They built their rep so they can claim "purity" when they backstab MAGA for their real GOPe business masters.

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

We also wouldn't have as many MAGA backstabbers if not for that clown and others. They built their rep so they can claim "purity" when they backstab MAGA for their real GOPe business masters.

Sorry, I know I’ve been away from this board for a while….. but is “GOPe” the new RINO??

 

[jsfgators]

Yea I’ll definitely take a smart assses advice!! I’ll jump right on that first thing in the morning Chico

Hahaha. That wasn’t really advice sweet pea. It’s down 2.25% YTD. It’s not a nuclear bomb drama queen, it’s normal market activity

 

[Gator Fever]

Sorry, I know I’ve been away from this board for a while….. but is “GOPe” the new RINO??

Roy and Massie play a role for some GOPe power players. They will even differ on votes sometimes when only a certain number are needed to derail something to try and play the act. Chip Roy was so sure Trump wouldn't survive Jan 6 that he kept calling for his impeachment on the House floor and used some technicality in the charges to not actually then vote for it so he could say in a primary that he voted against the impeachment.

 

[fatman76]

My friend, I never said that Biden and his fellow losers accomplished any thing positive I believe politics is dirty business and the way Trump is going about the "great cleansing" is plain thoughtless and dangerous. I do not wish to argue with you, you have all the right to feel the way you do..jim

So it’s thoughtless to let less than 2% of the approximate 3MM federal workers go?

Again, lead paint chips during your formative years? You’re the correct age.

 

[Gator Fever]

🤣

Massie (his X account anyway) blocked me for calling his sh*t out.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Hahaha. That wasn’t really advice sweet pea. It’s down 2.25% YTD. It’s not a nuclear bomb drama queen, it’s normal market activity

Anyone else feel like speed has $500 in the market at most?

 

[jsfgators]

Anyone else feel like speed has $500 in the market at most?

Even if he had $500 in the market on 1/1/25 he would have something like $488.75 today if he is in broad funds. Not exactly an f’n nuclear bomb.