Due to use of the auto pen. No telling who signed those things.
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Trump Voids Biden's Pardons
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It appears that the only EO or pardon that did not use the autopen was Biden's resignation from the race.
If they can prove this is true it won't take much "power" to declare a majority of his actions illegitimate.
Speaker Johnson has also claimed that he has proof Biden didn't know the details of at least one EO he "signed".
I think the more interesting thing will be to learn if Biden ever had any idea of what his administration was doing.
It will not be Trump...it will be the courts who do this. And I think it wil be more than pardons he has trouble with by auto signing, especially since the lefties all of a sudden admitted FJB's mental ability was horrible when they fired him from running for office
I was about to say, if his pardons are illegitimate due to using autopen, then any document he signed would be as well.
They aren't pardons if the President didn't sign them. If he used autopen then there's nothing to overturn.
I just groked this, and Presidents using an autopen IS legal. With the big caveat that the president uses it and uses it to save time and is aware of what he is doing.
The fact that Trump is waiting until now to mention this and seems to be implying that someone else used the autopen for Biden and he had no clue, seems to suggest that Trump has found something out that tells him these pardons can be overturned.
This is what Trump always does. He finds EVIDENCE of something happening, and instead of PRESENTING the evidence, he makes a CLAIM.
The media then rushes in to DENY his claims, which in turn AMPLIFIES his claims.
CNN will now have endless segments with lawyers on claiming Trump is wrong.
Then he will later reveal evidence that proves his claims.
"Obama spied on me!" Remember that? Same playbook.
I think at face value, no. Other Presidents have used them, but only a handful of times.
The issue here is EVERYTHING he signed was autopen, and there's evidence of signed bills and/or EO's that he knew nothing about, I think that's where the issue lies.
I think we'd all agree that the President has an obligation to know 1) what he is signing, 2) that he actually signed it. And if you could prove neither were true the Constitutionality of a staffer deciding what gets signed and what doesn't raises some major concerns.
However, specifically referring to the Pardons there does appear to be some requirements that the President is physically present, which we know he was on vacation for many of them. So you need to seperate EO's from the Pardons (there's also debate over whether blanket pardons that mention no crime are even legal in the first place).
I'm not sure I agree.
The autopen per se is not illegitimate, but there are Executive approved documents that require a wet signature.
Pardons and Bills, for example, fall into that category.
But the Heritage Foundation finding that EVERYTHING was autopen does raise concerns, especially given the conversation Speaker Johnson had with him where he was totally unaware of a EO dealing with Russian LNG. It's entirely possible Biden was actually aware of almost nothing his administration executed.
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