Trump is damaged goods, DeSantis is the future.

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Agree to disagree. 😉

JMO...focus on what he will do and let the chips fall where they may. Insulting or attacking Trump will only serve to alienate votes that he will eventually need.

If that's not enough to win the primary, he isn't going to win anyway.
 
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Attacking Trump directly is like punching a giant amoeba. He will absorb your fists into his orange cytoplasm and ravage you with his pseudopods.
Remind us. What were the three attributes of Trump voters that Ghost listed. I think that thread was deleted.
 

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Disagree entirely. In fact I think that would be a fantastic way to lose and probably end his political career.
Why? DeSantis will have to win the primary 1st. He would have to show the loyal Trump supporters within that party that he should be the guy over Trump.
 
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JMO...focus on what he will do and let the chips fall where they may. Insulting or attacking Trump will only serve to alienate votes that he will eventually need.

If that's not enough to win the primary, he isn't going to win anyway.
Trump voters/supporters are that fragile to you? If DeSantis attack Trump, they will just check out? I don't believe that at all.
 

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That approach didn't work in 2016...

He can't win with his base alone. Aside from the Trumpy Faithful, he has alienated most middle-of-the-road voters with his endless drama. In 2016, there was a widespread assumption that his antics were for show and that as president, he would tone it down. But, he did the opposite.

Unless Biden insists on running again as an octagenarian or some far-left candidate gets the Dem nomination, I don't think Trump has a good chance in 2024
 
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Amoeb

He can't win with his base alone. Aside from the Trumpy Faithful, he has alienated most middle-of-the-road voters with his endless drama. In 2016, there was a widespread assumption that his antics were for show and that as president, he would tone it down. But, he did the opposite.

Unless Biden insists on running again as an octagenarian or some far-left candidate gets the Dem nomination, I don't think Trump has a good chance in 2024
He can 100% win the primary with his supporters only, especially if there are a lot of candidates.
 

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It's possible.

Trump benefited bigly from Chris Christie dropping out early and endorsing him. I doubt we'll see a mainstream candidate do that for him the next time around.

And he is already on a solid path to self destructing. Get out of his way and let him walk off that cliff.
 
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He can 100% win the primary with his supporters only, especially if there are a lot of candidates.

You mean the ever shrinking pack of deluded middle aged angry men and the Democratic organizers who have been assigned to fluff him - and them - up?
 

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I don't understand your gibberish.

Any search on the subject will generate results like the following....

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was incensed. Late last year, the state’s Republican legislature had drawn congressional maps that largely kept districts intact, leaving the GOP with only a modest electoral advantage.

DeSantis threw out the legislature’s work and redrew Florida’s congressional districts, making them far more favorable to Republicans. The plan was so aggressive that the Republican-controlled legislature balked and fought DeSantis for months. The governor overruled lawmakers and pushed his map through.
Please tell me you are not posting this to make excuses as to why Florida has turned 100% red?
 

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As happened in Pub NC. Neither party has a monopoly on the tactic. My point was a good political move by RDS that turned a swing state to completely red.
100% WRONG. Desantis is LOVED across Florida is ONE thing. Secondly, we have been invaded by people moving here to get AWAY from lefty policies of high taxes, soft on crime, unlawful mandates. Also we have more Republicans registered than democrats....Lastly, the Hispanic community has left the democratic party because of TWO huge reasons. They are Christian's...and HATE socialism. Those two things REALLY work AGAINST the left.
 
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100% WRONG. Desantis is LOVED across Florida is ONE thing. Secondly, we have been invaded by people moving here to get AWAY from lefty policies of high taxes, soft on crime, unlawful mandates. Also we have more Republicans registered than democrats....Lastly, the Hispanic community has left the democratic party because of TWO huge reasons. They are Christian's...and HATE socialism. Those two things REALLY work AGAINST the left.
Don't mix up FL with the rest of America...
 

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You mean the ever shrinking pack of deluded middle aged angry men and the Democratic organizers who have been assigned to fluff him - and them - up?
I think you are doing the same thing that was done in 2016...underestimating Trump. I would advise against that.
 

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Please tell me you are not posting this to make excuses as to why Florida has turned 100% red?
FL hasn't had a Dem governor since 1999. and the only Dem to win in the presidential was Obama. Ill argue that it's been red for awhile. Dems just can't accept that. Kansas had more Dem governors in that timeframe, even Oklahoma.
 

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Why? DeSantis will have to win the primary 1st. He would have to show the loyal Trump supporters within that party that he should be the guy over Trump.
I find it SO funny when libs try to dissect what makes us tick. Not ONE of you understand. Good or bad(I have my views) we are SO different than you all are. So different you cannot predict things like you are attempting to here. I am going to give you an inside view right here, right now. Listen closely. I has NEVER been, or NEVER will be about the candidate. We are NOT agenda driven like you all are. HERE IT IS...EVERYTHING we do is because we LOVE America. THAT is our agenda. Not Trump. Not DeSantis. It is WHO can keep America the way our founding fathers intended better
 

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I find it SO funny when libs try to dissect what makes us tick. Not ONE of you understand. Good or bad(I have my views) we are SO different than you all are. So different you cannot predict things like you are attempting to here. I am going to give you an inside view right here, right now. Listen closely. I has NEVER been, or NEVER will be about the candidate. We are NOT agenda driven like you all are. HERE IT IS...EVERYTHING we do is because we LOVE America. THAT is our agenda. Not Trump. Not DeSantis. It is WHO can keep America the way our founding fathers intended better
I call BS. Many on here would still support Trump no matter what. I think you are one of them.

Our founding fathers didn’t intend for someone losing an election to come up with a fake set of electors to overturn the will of the people.
 
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FL hasn't had a Dem governor since 1999. and the only Dem to win in the presidential was Obama. Ill argue that it's been red for awhile. Dems just can't accept that. Kansas had more Dem governors in that timeframe, even Oklahoma.
Well, the Ole hecoon was really a conservative democrat compared to the extreme leftists fruits that currently reside in politics.
 

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I find it SO funny when libs try to dissect what makes us tick. Not ONE of you understand. Good or bad(I have my views) we are SO different than you all are. So different you cannot predict things like you are attempting to here. I am going to give you an inside view right here, right now. Listen closely. I has NEVER been, or NEVER will be about the candidate. We are NOT agenda driven like you all are. HERE IT IS...EVERYTHING we do is because we LOVE America. THAT is our agenda. Not Trump. Not DeSantis. It is WHO can keep America the way our founding fathers intended better
I know people on here that gets mad at the idea that Trump won't be the nominee. I think you are changing since the mid-terms. Your prediction of a massive red wave didn't happen and now you are seeing reality (for the most part).
 

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I think you are doing the same thing that was done in 2016...underestimating Trump. I would advise against that.
I think most of us see that you are very likely one of the leftist workers who NEED to keep Trump in the limelight so the focus is never on the fool living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
The Delaware Dimwit needs to be shuffled out through the Rose Garden door and sent home. And replaced by a younger person who at minimum knows who they are, where they are, and why they are there.
Who would ever have thought that in the USA that bar has been set so low? I don’t know about the rest of y’all but I pray every night that God will watch over the USA until we get Joey Applesauce out of office.
 

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FL hasn't had a Dem governor since 1999. and the only Dem to win in the presidential was Obama. Ill argue that it's been red for awhile. Dems just can't accept that. Kansas had more Dem governors in that timeframe, even Oklahoma.

And Bill Clinton.

And Gore came pretty close.

Florida is like 55% red. But that’s enough to keep electing Republican presidents unless the Democrats have a strong candidate.
 

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I think most of us see that you are very likely one of the leftist workers who NEED to keep Trump in the limelight so the focus is never on the fool living at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
The Delaware Dimwit needs to be shuffled out through the Rose Garden door and sent home. And replaced by a younger person who at minimum knows who they are, where they are, and why they are there.
Who would ever have thought that in the USA that bar has been set so low? I don’t know about the rest of y’all but I pray every night that God will watch over the USA until we get Joey Applesauce out of office.
Nobody needs to keep Trump anywhere. The right loves him and the polling shows that. You can't just wish the man away.

People like Graham, Cruz, McCarthy, McDaniel, MTG, etc are saying that he is the leader of the party. People who says otherwise are called RINOs, meaning the REAL Republicans support Trump.
 

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Nobody needs to keep Trump anywhere. The right loves him and the polling shows that. You can't just wish the man away.

People like Graham, Cruz, McCarthy, McDaniel, MTG, etc are saying that he is the leader of the party. People who says otherwise are called RINOs, meaning the REAL Republicans support Trump.
Your last sentence proves my point.
Divide and conquer? Might want to develop a new strategy.
 
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I call BS. Many on here would still support Trump no matter what. I think you are one of them.

Our founding fathers didn’t intend for someone losing an election to come up with a fake set of electors to overturn the will of the people.
Well you 100% prove my point, son. Because YOU do not think like we do. You are a lib. You do NOT love my Country. You like what America can do for YOU. I just explained it to you, but you are SO SLOW minded...you cannot comprehend. I already knew that would happen. It is the SAME reason you support the left. It is WHY and how we are different. The old adage "lefties are slower than slow molasses" proves to be true every day of my life, and you really do not have to look hard to find it
 

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I know people on here that gets mad at the idea that Trump won't be the nominee. I think you are changing since the mid-terms. Your prediction of a massive red wave didn't happen and now you are seeing reality (for the most part).
I am the least likely person to "change" than anyone you know. I voted for Ronald Reagan when I was 18 years old, and have been an America loving conservative my whole life. EVERYTHING in my life that is important to me(not including family and friends) revolve around my love of my Country. Let me explain. I LOVE the military. Why? Because without them...America would not be a free Country. So I hold them up pretty high because without them, no America as we know it. I think of everything this way. With lib thinking that it is ALL about Trump...you could replace Trump where I said military here...and it is the EXACT same thing. I DO love Trump. Not the man. Not at ALL. I DO love what he has done for America. We can debate that part...but to the point here...it is NOT about Trump to me AT ALL. You can say the same about Reagan. I could not LOVE Reagan or Trump...never met either. But I LOVE what Reagan did for America.
 

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Nobody needs to keep Trump anywhere. The right loves him and the polling shows that. You can't just wish the man away.

People like Graham, Cruz, McCarthy, McDaniel, MTG, etc are saying that he is the leader of the party. People who says otherwise are called RINOs, meaning the REAL Republicans support Trump.
I do not think what you posted here is right anymore. I think you have, and WILL see some distancing from Trump. First, the media has successfully made him look even worse than he is(BS calling out DeSantis.....and getting pranked by Ye) Trump is NOT a polished politician by any means. DeSantis is VERY polished. I believe the left has assassinated Trump for so long, and so much even his supporters are tired are tired of all the fighting. I have heard many of my friends say it. I may be wrong, but I do not think the Republican nominee will be DJT. DeSantis is SO smart, he will have Trump attacking him, and he will not respond to it much...he will just speak of his successes, and probably AGREE with many things Trump did. He will win over Trump people. Now...if I am wrong, and Trump wins. He WILL get 100% of my support. I just ant what is best for America. OBVIOUSLY.....that is NOT a democrat. I think that is CRYSTAL CLEAR after 2 years of this brain dead lying sack of @@@@
 
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Well you 100% prove my point, son. Because YOU do not think like we do. You are a lib. You do NOT love my Country. You like what America can do for YOU. I just explained it to you, but you are SO SLOW minded...you cannot comprehend. I already knew that would happen. It is the SAME reason you support the left. It is WHY and how we are different. The old adage "lefties are slower than slow molasses" proves to be true every day of my life, and you really do not have to look hard to find it
Careful, you sound unhinged. You don’t want to get put on vacation again, do you.

And it’s as much my country than it is yours. Even more so since I pay more in taxes.

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Careful, you sound unhinged. You don’t want to get put on vacation again, do you.

And it’s as much my country than it is yours. Even more so since I pay more in taxes.

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I have never been banned little man. And NO...we just let you occupy here for the time being. Our founding fathers would have shot you in their day. You 100% would have supported the British. Lefties have supported America's enemies since the Revolutionary War.